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Old 08-27-2012, 11:08 AM
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And not even headline news,I think the big cat search in Essex is getting more attention than Prince Harry
Indeed. Front page of the DM today is about an evil NHS doctor, The Sun runs a story about a footballers cousin stealing money from the dead.

I haven't seen or read anything about Harry since Friday.
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Old 08-27-2012, 11:16 AM
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The Prince of Wales receives tax payer money through Grants- In - Aid which upkeep the palaces in which Prince Harry lives. And yes, the tax payers pay for a security team to keep him safe 24/7. So, the tax payers are paying to secure Prince Harry while he is partying in Vegas with total strangers and embarrassing himself, the Queen, and his country.
Actually, none of the funds from Grant-In-Aid could possibly be used to either aid or abet Harry's lifestyle. Charles' primary and most used income comes from the Duchy of Cornwall. I believe, IIRC, that Harry has an apartment at Clarence House but will be moving into the cottage that Wills and Kate now occupy when they move into the larger, newly renovated apartment that used to be Margaret's at KP.

"While The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall do not receive money from the Civil List (the money provided by Parliament from the income from the Crown Estate to meet the official expenses of The Queen's Household so that Her Majesty can fulfil her role as Head of State and Head of the Commonwealth), the Grants-In-Aid paid to The Queen’s Household are used, in part, to support their official working activities."

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Indeed. Front page of the DM today is about an evil NHS doctor, The Sun runs a story about a footballers cousin stealing money from the dead.

I haven't seen or read anything about Harry since Friday.
There's been a bit here and there on Huffington Post that I've seen but nothing really earth shattering worth bringing over to these threads. The major story going on here is Hurricane Isaac. I think Harry stories about Vegas are about to be relegated to the ancient history files.
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Old 08-27-2012, 11:28 AM
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I dont think its so much about morals but about security. Instead of camera phones, these girls could have carried weapons or drugs.
A question that's always been floating for me, given these girls were 'bikini clad': from exactly where did these women pull their cell phones? I don't see a lot of options.

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Its beyond believe that the security guards didnt collect the phones or had a closer look at strangers being picked up on the street or bar or wherever to come to the suite to party.
Ahem *cough* I think they were having a 'closer look'.

BTW I find the double standard repellant - and that women engage in calling other women 'slags' and what all, sad in the extreme. As for the German 'joke' - the imbedded bias is that a woman should give it away free, i guess. There should be a name as equally charged as 'prostitute' to describe the man doing the offering - 'john'?

If Harry wanted privacy he could have repaired back to Necker and continued his blow-out there. He didn't. He wanted a more public venue. He got it. With all the risks implied. Consequences his.
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Old 08-27-2012, 11:37 AM
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I dont think its so much about morals but about security. Instead of camera phones, these girls could have carried weapons or drugs. Its beyond believe that the security guards didnt collect the phones or had a closer look at strangers being picked up on the street or bar or wherever to come to the suite to party.
Do we really know what happened as the guests entered the private suite protected by the protection officers? I imagine that the girls were carrying their purses (what woman really goes anywhere without one?) and for all we know, all guests could have been searched for as you say, weapons but they didn't confiscate the cell phones.

All we really know of what happened at the private party is what has been released such as naked billiards, naked photos etc. We weren't given exact details of what the protection officers did or didn't do during this time. Does anyone know the protocol of what the protection officers are required to do?
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:42 PM
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I think Harry stories about Vegas are about to be relegated to the ancient history files.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:52 PM
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Actually, none of the funds from Grant-In-Aid could possibly be used to either aid or abet Harry's lifestyle. Charles' primary and most used income comes from the Duchy of Cornwall. I believe, IIRC, that Harry has an apartment at Clarence House but will be moving into the cottage that Wills and Kate now occupy when they move into the larger, newly renovated apartment that used to be Margaret's at KP.

"While The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall do not receive money from the Civil List (the money provided by Parliament from the income from the Crown Estate to meet the official expenses of The Queen's Household so that Her Majesty can fulfil her role as Head of State and Head of the Commonwealth), the Grants-In-Aid paid to The Queen’s Household are used, in part, to support their official working activities."

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If you keep reading you will find:
"Grants-in-Aid cover three areas: travel by air and rail on official business, the upkeep of Royal palaces, and communications. Government departments also meet directly some other costs incurred by Their Royal Highnesses in their work to support The Queen as Head of State, including the provision of staff on secondment from the Armed Services, some costs of official overseas visits, and the cost of police security."


Yes, I apologize, Prince Harry is still according to the PoW website officially residing at Clarence House. The upkeep of Clarence House (current official residence) and Kensington Palace (future official residence) are paid for from Grants-In-Aid. And then there is the cost of protecting him 24/7 thereby securing his lifestyle.

So, yes, public funds are "aiding and abetting" his lifestyle.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:53 PM
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I wonder why some people got so much more fussed about Harry in Vegas than they did about the shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin? 40 pages on Harry compared to tragic shootings does seem a bit of an overreaction.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:56 PM
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This is simply Harry - no respect for women and very little for anyone else either.
Do these girls have any respect for themselves? A person having a little bit of respect form him/herself wouldn't prostitute him/herself like that. I'm not defending Harry at all, because a 28 y/o person should be apprised of his/her deeds.
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:02 PM
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I wonder why some people got so much more fussed about Harry in Vegas than they did about the shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin? 40 pages on Harry compared to tragic shootings does seem a bit of an overreaction.
Well this is a Royal forum, not a current events forum. If I want to post my opinions on things other than royal happenings, I tend not to do it here even if there is a thread dedicated to that subject. Most of the time I discuss those things with my family and friends.

No one in my "real life" gives a hoot about royalty so I come here to find out about and discuss the royals.. I come to this particular forum because for the most part people are respectful and the moderators try to keep the conversation civil.

I avoid threads that don't interest me or I find no value in the discussion. But that's just me.
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:02 PM
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The upkeep of Clarence House (current official residence) and Kensington Palace (future official residence) are paid for from Grants-In-Aid. And then there is the cost of protecting him 24/7 thereby securing his lifestyle.

So, yes, public funds are "aiding and abetting" his lifestyle.
Grants-In-Aid as you have pointed out are used for the upkeep of palaces, of which Henry is not the only person who lives in them. The taxpayer pays for his security, of which we pay for the majority of the senior royals security.

How exactly are we aiding and abetting his lifestyle? Other than up keeping palaces and paying for royal security? Do we give money to a holiday fund we don't know about?
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:08 PM
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Harry should state that he will never take a drink of alcohol again, because he sees what it does to him, especially his judgement. He is "allergic", better word "sensitive" to alcohol and it makes him behave this way, whatever you call "this way". If he doesn't do anything else for his country, the monarchy, and himself, it would be a contribution for him to swear off alcohol. He doesn't need it to lead an interesting life. He already has an interesting life, and it could be very much more interesting if he got straight on this and reexamined his values.
I can barely understand the comments on how Harry might have done this to make sure the girls at home knew he was not ready for marriage. If marriage is such a desperate situation for Harry--to be feared--so badly, maybe he should start thinking about finding a worthy life partner, and being alcohol free would help him find such a partner.
He probably should marry fairly soon, and if the only way to do it is to resign the army and work "at home" for his family, that would be a positive step. But who is helping Harry think straight? He sure needs a mentor. A guide. Maybe even a clergyman.
It seems you have many plans for Harry's future. I don't think that is the role of ANYONE but Harry and possibly his Father/Brother.
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:15 PM
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Grants-In-Aid as you have pointed out are used for the upkeep of palaces, of which Henry is not the only person who lives in them. The taxpayer pays for his security, of which we pay for the majority of the senior royals security.

How exactly are we aiding and abetting his lifestyle? Other than up keeping palaces and paying for royal security? Do we give money to a holiday fund we don't know about?
We have to remember also that places like Buckingham Palace and Kensington Palace are not only used as residences for the royals and staff but they are also historic buildings and are open for public tours. They are not paying to maintain the residences solely for the purpose of use by the RF. Harry is but one little fishie residing in a big fishbowl when it comes to residences.

Compare it with how the US president lives in the White House. His apartments are but a small part of what is inside the White House.
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:38 PM
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When you are a government employee, you take an oath to maintain a certain moral standard. In the US, ANY government employee would at a minimum be repremanded and at the maximum fired if publicly caught doing what Harry did. Officers in the military and management level are held especially accountable.You are representing your country;even when on home soil. Harry is a prince, an officer and in a foreign country. In addition we are not allowed to accept free gifts. He would probably be dishonorably discharged in the US.
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Grants-In-Aid as you have pointed out are used for the upkeep of palaces, of which Henry is not the only person who lives in them. The taxpayer pays for his security, of which we pay for the majority of the senior royals security.

How exactly are we aiding and abetting his lifestyle? Other than up keeping palaces and paying for royal security? Do we give money to a holiday fund we don't know about?
Here is my original statement. "The Prince of Wales receives tax payer money through Grants- In - Aid which upkeep the palaces in which Prince Harry lives. And yes, the tax payers pay for a security team to keep him safe 24/7. So, the tax payers are paying to secure Prince Harry while he is partying in Vegas with total strangers and embarrassing himself, the Queen, and his country."

"Aid and Abet" were Osipi's word choice.

Why are people trying to avoid admitting that the British public is securing and helping to support Prince Harry? If someone pays for upkeep on my home and for a security team to travel around with me 24/7 then they are helping support my lifestyle. It is pretty simple.
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We have to remember also that places like Buckingham Palace and Kensington Palace are not only used as residences for the royals and staff but they are also historic buildings and are open for public tours. They are not paying to maintain the residences solely for the purpose of use by the RF. Harry is but one little fishie residing in a big fishbowl when it comes to residences.

Compare it with how the US president lives in the White House. His apartments are but a small part of what is inside the White House.
Yes, the President of the U.S. lives in the White House, which the public funds. He also has security paid for 24/7 by the public. Those are true statements. Those are two ways in which we help support the president's lifestyle while he is president.
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Old 08-27-2012, 01:52 PM
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Why are people trying to avoid admitting that the British public is securing and helping to support Prince Harry? If someone pays for upkeep on my home and for a security team to travel around with me 24/7 then they are helping support my lifestyle. It is pretty simple.
Because Henry going to Vegas and posing naked is not a lifestyle. We pay for ROYAL security and ROYAL homes, my money does not go in Henry's pocket for him to spend on booze, same as it doesn't go to Charles to plant vegetables or for Elizabeth to buy corgis with. I don't agree that having security and living in a palace led Henry to go to Vegas, this was a holiday not a lifestyle.
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Old 08-27-2012, 02:52 PM
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Well this is a Royal forum, not a current events forum. If I want to post my opinions on things other than royal happenings, I tend not to do it here even if there is a thread dedicated to that subject. Most of the time I discuss those things with my family and friends.

No one in my "real life" gives a hoot about royalty so I come here to find out about and discuss the royals.. I come to this particular forum because for the most part people are respectful and the moderators try to keep the conversation civil.

I avoid threads that don't interest me or I find no value in the discussion. But that's just me.
Exactly. Anyone who does not feel this thread worthy of their time are hardly forced to stay here and contribute to the page count.
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a logical first step

Although we can't know for sure, many of us believe that alcohol presents problems for Prince Henry. And even though some here (and elsewhere) believe that Harry has done 'nothing wrong', others think that his actions are unacceptable and embarrassing to his family and his country.


He needs to do something- other than just staying out of sight- to show that he has broken from the patterns of behaviour he exhibited in Las Vegas.


I know more than I want to about young people and addictions of various kinds. And the first thing a person whose use of substances have hurt them needs to do is to enter rehab.


Harry could admit that he is powerless, and go to a clinic which helps people with addictions. It would almost certainly help him, it couldn't hurt him, and people would admire his forthrightness.


He could be an inspiration to others, and not just a joke.


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I wouldn't take the fact that he got drunk at a party in Vegas as indication that he has an addiction or needs to enter rehab. Sure, we know he likes a party and he may sometimes behave in ways that aren't to the liking of some of us, but I think it's a bit of a leap to assume that he has a serious problem or that he needs to go to rehab for the sake of setting an example.
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Although we can't know for sure, many of us believe that alcohol presents problems for Prince Henry. And even though some here (and elsewhere) believe that Harry has done 'nothing wrong', others think that his actions are unacceptable and embarrassing to his family and his country.


My opinion only.
But most of those people, at least on these boards, do not appear to be citizens of the UK. JMO.
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