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Old 08-25-2012, 05:43 AM
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to be honest, he is an alcoholic
thats imo why chelsey left him, because she probably thouhgt he wont change anymore. thats it.
thats all thats to it a and nothing more.
you can protect him, defend him all you want with all kind of excuses,
hi IS a lost boy. a pity
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Old 08-25-2012, 06:31 AM
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OMG aren't you guys getting tired discussing Harry's night of fun. Obviously he had fun.
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Old 08-25-2012, 06:38 AM
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to be honest, he is an alcoholic
He can't be - he is an Apache pilot and the MoD would never allow him to come close to such an aircraft if there were fears he is into Illegals or Drink.

But if he woanted to show the world that it's not yet time for him to settle down, he did a great job! he is single and he had a party, that's okay. He was naked, okay as well. What I don't like is the fact that he didn't know these girls at all - in fact, nobody of his friends did. And surely these girls were not properly introduced to him by common acquaintances - it seems he just picked them up at a casino or a bar. Hardly "ladies" a prince would spent time with if he was looking for more than a One-Night-Stand.

I still think it is okay, all in all, but I'm a bit disappointed that he behaved so common.
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Old 08-25-2012, 06:59 AM
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It's his stupidity that I criticise him for. It's not his naked antics that I object to; he can have crazy drunken naked parties every night of the week for all I care, as long as he does it discreetly and with close friends he can trust absolutely. What I object to is his stupidity in behaving like this in the presence of complete strangers he had stupidly invited to his room and who owe him no personal loyalty. He's been taken advantage of, but he has only himself to blame. If he wasn't drunk when he asked them, he was stupid to do it, and if he was drunk when he asked them he was stupid for getting that drunk.

He might have behaved like a lot of other 20-something men and women behave, but other stupid 20-somethings aren't the grandson of the Queen and the "spare" who could possibly end up being King of the UK. He needs to sort himself out.
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:54 AM
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He may have threatened to beat up the dealer, nobody knows that's true. Las Vegas Police throw people out for a drunken threat? Seriously? Yet they lax on things that a really important.

Also, it's Vegas, if you're not drunk it's no fun. I don't see how he's going to be thrown out for doing something everyone does.
I know plenty of people who go to Vegas, have a lot of fun, and are not drunk. And some of them - wait for it - are British.

If you are sloppy drunk in Vegas, then yes, you are removed from a public place. The plot of the Hangover is not a typical Vegas stay. There are people who pursue "vices," but they largely do so discreetly.
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Old 08-25-2012, 07:56 AM
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...If people don't hold members of the royal family to a higher standard than the general public anymore, I don't think it's a very good omen for the future of the British monarchy.
That's the big issue here.
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:09 AM
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OMG aren't you guys getting tired discussing Harry's night of fun.
my thought exactly, but it appears were the only ones :-)

Harry, in the meantime, has already moved on to the paralympics...
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:59 AM
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People tend to forget that we are in 2012 and that the british royal family, as the rest of the society thanksfully, doesn't live in the 19th century anymore. The royals survived far more serious scandals than this "incident" (and its NOT even an incident) and the general public (aka the british public, not the rest of the world,not really concerned by the future of the british monarchy, despite the obvious interest about it) just doesn't care.
So what, i'm still persuaded that a part of the world has a certain embellished view of the British monarchy, with royals beeing some kind of surhumans with extraordinary moral values and living a world a la Walt Disney. I think this conception, from an european point of view, is already long gone and a major part of the public see the royals as ordinary people in a extraordinary setting. The 80's and 90's were far far more serious in terms of scandals (and yes Andrew was taken naked too at some point) so it's certainly not this laughable situation who will change the perception, already quite realistic, of the monarchy (more popular than ever btw).
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:39 AM
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OMG aren't you guys getting tired discussing Harry's night of fun.
I actually think it's an interesting discussion, well barring all the pschoanalysis, which I don't necessarily agree with.

Of course Harry has moved on. Harry, as I keep saying, is a very priveledge citizen. He knows he can do these things and just 'move on'. Harry is not sweating any of this.


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Old 08-25-2012, 09:46 AM
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If you are sloppy drunk in Vegas, then yes, you are removed from a public place. The plot of the Hangover is not a typical Vegas stay. There are people who pursue "vices," but they largely do so discreetly.
Its been a big story here lately focusing on Tampa and the RNC coming up. Strip clubs are really gearing up to make megabucks from conventioneers going out on the town and living it up a wee bit. These are our national representatives in the government they're talking about. Its not too far in the past also that the story was about Secret Service agents using prostitutes in South America. Harry is a normal red blooded young adult who is single, likes to party with his friends when the time allows and will be serving his country in Afghanistan soon and as hard as he parties, it will be the same passion that he will put into his service to his country. The time yet lies ahead when he will be serving his Queen and grandmother to a full time capacity which I think he will be quite an asset paired up with William and Kate.

The bottom line of what I see is passion. He doesn't do anything by half measures. No sipping sherry a la Frasier Crane or nights at the opera for him. He has two hands to grab life with and he's doing it with gusto. So what if a few naked pictures were released of him (which shouldn't have been IMO). Lets focus on who Harry really is and not one night in Vegas. Lets look ahead and know that the gusto that he put into having a good time on a week's vacation will also be the gusto that he'll put into anything that life throws at him whether it be partying, military service, royal duties and his charities. And when the time comes and he does settle down and have a family, he'll put his all into his wife and kids too I'll bet. Its the type of guy Harry is.
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:51 AM
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Well said Osipi. I think people have made too much of this. It doesn't impact on the future of the monarchy or even Harry's role within it. Cherry brandy anyone? At the time a huge fuss was made over that but has it made any lasting impression on the role of the Prince of Wales? Let's look at the list of incidents that we've seen over the last decade or so: Harry smoking pot, Zara's husband playing away, Princess Michael telling diners to go back to the colonies, Andrew.....doing pretty much anything - these things happen and they seem much more important than they are at the time. It soon blows over and we forget about them.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:12 AM
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to be honest, he is an alcoholic...
thats all thats to it a and nothing more...
hi IS a lost boy.
What I'm finding most disturbing about this discussion are the self-righteous pontifications, the sanctimonious condemnations, the complete loss of perspective, the reduction of human foibles to black and white, the presentation of personal opinion as incontrovertible fact ("that's all that's to it and nothing more"), the quick and easy dismissiveness as individuals are assessed, found wanting, and discarded ("he IS a lost boy"), all the while delivered in the tone and stance of being oh-so-morally-superior.

From my observation, what makes it even more ugly and unsettling is the apparent glee some members display in their harsh but happy rush to judge and condemn. Added to that is the underlying cold nastiness that others inadvertently reveal about themselves. Ugh. This thread, now at 33 pages in 6 days, continues to expand. The way I sense it, so is the ickiness factor.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:22 AM
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Thanks a lot Warren, it had to be said.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:50 AM
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I hear what you are saying Warren, but I look at it this way, it's a thread, it's the internet. People have diverse views and come from diverse backgrounds. Some are very conservative and some are very liberal. It's bound to happen. To me as long as you express those views with a modicum of respect I'm ok with it, but that is just me.

Now the pschoanalizing I can do without. All in All, I actually enjoyed this thread and probably responded a lot more than I have on this board.
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Old 08-25-2012, 11:14 AM
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I feel sorry for Harry. I don't think the media should be able to publish nude photos of anyone!That is going too far, and I think it's pretty sleazy of the Sun to get all morally superior about 'free press' when they are invading someones privacy. I mean, I would be suing if nude pictures of me were published, and I dont see why someone should have to put up with that just because they are royal...
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:14 PM
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If people don't hold members of the royal family to a higher standard than the general public anymore, I don't think it's a very good omen for the future of the British monarchy.
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That's the big issue here.
I agree, I'm not saying that the BRF will fall apart because of Harry's stupid antics, but we have got to say 'is this what we want?' 'Is this how a member of the BRF should behave? I think it's a very valid question. Should they be held to a higher standard?
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:20 PM
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What I'm finding most disturbing about this discussion are the self-righteous pontifications, the sanctimonious condemnations, the complete loss of perspective, the reduction of human foibles to black and white, the presentation of personal opinion as incontrovertible fact ("that's all that's to it and nothing more"), the quick and easy dismissiveness as individuals are assessed, found wanting, and discarded ("he IS a lost boy"), all the while delivered in the tone and stance of being oh-so-morally-superior.

From my observation, what makes it even more ugly and unsettling is the apparent glee some members display in their harsh but happy rush to judge and condemn. Added to that is the underlying cold nastiness that others inadvertently reveal about themselves. Ugh. This thread, now at 33 pages in 6 days, continues to expand. The way I sense it, so is the ickiness factor.
Too right.
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:40 PM
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I think Harry showed bad judgment you don't get naked in front of strangers, especially if your in his position. I don't think he is an alcoholic that is not possible with the flying he does.
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:47 PM
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I hear what you are saying Warren...
Not quite. I'm not concerned whether members consider Harry a hero or a villain. What I do find unedifying is self-righteousness and nastiness. These are often apparent in tone rather than content and it is tone which gives a debate, a discussion, a thread or an entire forum it's atmosphere or flavour. If gleeful maliciousness or sanctimonious finger waving edge out good nature and good humour, the atmosphere can deteriorate and become very uncomfortable. That adversely affects the member experience and members' overall enjoyment of the Forums.

It was my observation tonight, together with another colleague, that some of these concerns were being realised. As a result I made my - up till then - one and only post in this thread.
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:50 PM
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imho Harry made a mistake, feels probably very bad about it and will get over it and go on. It's embarassing, but he is young, impulsive and has alot of opportunities, so mistakes are bound to happen. I would not want to be him, right now, but I was amused about the whole "scandal".
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