Harry's Night in Vegas: August 2012


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Moonmaiden23 said:
Princes who date porn stars and engage in bar brawls(Carl-Philip and Pierre Casiraghi)
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Not to derail the thread, but Sofia Hellqvist was not a porn star. She may have kissed one, but that doesn't mean she did porn.

But yes, there are worse things in the world than what Harry did. Its not like he hurt anyone.
 
Zonk said:
If not even that. With technology, things last FOREVER.

Somewhere in the world, in Germany, in the States, in England, etc. There is some young man or a young lady (around 20 or so) ...that is going to do something not so bright. Whether its taking a naked picture of yourself for the love of your life (or who you think is the love of your life but lets face it your 20 so you don't know), trying drugs for the first time (not that I am condoning that), or something else that isn't that smart.

Flash forward 20 or 30 years...you are now married to the love of your life (the real kind not that stuff you thought was love), and you are thinking of running for office. Guess what someone finds in a box of old pictures, or stored on a memory drive..you got it...that naked picture of you from 20 years ago. Or they remember you guys tried drugs for the first time in the dorms. Guess who now can make a quick couple of thousands of dollars...Guess what might haunt you.

Does that make sense?
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Yes, it does. But then maybe Harry has no problem with these pics? They don't show any bad character trait, just some love of risqué plays that are perfectly in his home country. He did not hit a dog, did not make jokes about disabled people, did not fake his exams, did not take bribes - so where's the beef? He partied just like the Lord has created him: big deal.

As for being careful what kind of pics you allow of yourself: the youngsters I know are all perfectly aware of that, so I have yet to see some wild party pics of them on FB.
 
NGalitzine said:
I think some parts of the world have a stronger puritanical streak thsn others which is reflected in several posts.
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I actually don't think the big issue is the moral issue (mainly because there's no way IMO royals should be held up as paragons as moral virtue); it's just about being savvy as a public figure.
 
rosana said:
Call this parties whatever you want! For me these are the most disgusting photos I have seen of a royal. Is he not having sex in one of them?? And they were not taken by paparazzi from far away, this was taken by one of his stupid "friends" or worse, a stranger. It makes me sad because it makes his brother look better, and he isn´t so.
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More disgusting than the very married King of Spain off on holiday with a blonde young enough to be his daughter? :ermm:

I agree that Harry should be more careful. One day some bimbo could end up getting him into real trouble.

But it's not the end of civilization as we know it because everyone can see what Prince Harry's bare arse looks like, imo.
 
casualfan said:
I actually don't think the big issue is the moral issue (mainly because there's no way IMO royals should be held up as paragons as moral virtue); it's just about being savvy as a public figure.
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Exactly.

I would have expected that by his late 20s he'd have known to be incredibly careful with who he spends his off time with.
 
I don't think the party itself was such a big deal, but why oh why would Harry put himself in that situation with a bunch of strangers?

It's not like he doesn't know there's no such thing as privacy unless you're safely behind palace walls.
But in a hotel room with some Vegas showgirls? He had to suspect someone was apt to cash in!

Makes me question his judgment, but perhaps he'd been drinking?
 
BeatrixFan said:
This whole incident shows how hypocritical we all are IMO. Harry has always been celebrated for being "down to earth" and "normal", it's something we hear endlessly. Since Diana died, it's been about how her 'natural' attitude was something she'd pass to William and Harry and how wonderful it'd be to see the royal family being less aloof. He's celebrated for giving TV interviews, for running races against Usain Bolt, for not standing on ceremony - that's the Prince Harry brand we created. It's what the press wanted, it's what thousands of messages on these forums over the years have said was what made Harry special. Well, now he's done something alot of normal, natural, down to earth people do and we don't like it. Suddenly it's 1855 and we're all living conservative lives. This is the mess you get into when you start to demand the royal family be "down to earth". They can't win either way.

Getting naked at a party isn't misbehaving, he didn't strip off in public, the photographs were made public and not by him. He can't live in a cage. What's he supposed to do, live like a monk in private just in case? It's a ridiculous expectation to put on a young man who likes to enjoy himself and I think people are being unfair. He's not stupid, he's not tacky, he's not a sex fiend - he's just having fun doing something that doesn't particularly hurt anybody and when you consider that he's served in Afghanistan and will most likely be going out there again soon, I don't begrudge him that fun.
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I think you have said it well.

I think others are right who say he wlll be deployed to Afghanistan sooner rather than later for some absolution - and PR distraction - as a result of this.

While I see nothing amiss with his private behavior (it's the photographer who should be suffering our condemnation) - it will begin to limit his pool of wife-candidates, unfortunately - were he so inclined and I doubt he is. If that most recent lady being touted as his girlfriend sees this, she's probably hit the road. This is not a man who is looking in all the right places - and right ways - for 'true love' to come dancing his way. If anything, he is ripe for the worst kind of opportunist - and he may find himself one day 'bitten' in unlooked for ways. A day may come when Chelsy Davy will look like Mother Theresa.
 
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Mirabel said:
I don't think the party itself was such a big deal, but why oh why would Harry put himself in that situation with a bunch of strangers?

It's not like he doesn't know there's no such thing as privacy unless you're safely behind palace walls.
But in a hotel room with some Vegas showgirls? He had to suspect someone was apt to cash in!

Makes me question his judgment, but perhaps he'd been drinking?
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Mirabel, I think the drinking is the problem. He needs to get counseling for what is likely a problem with alcohol.
 
Zonk said:
I think we all the know the answer to that. You only have to read some of the comments of Sarah showing up at the Olympics w/ Beatrice and Eugenie. You would think she punched some guy on the corner and stole his ticket to get in the venue.

There is definitely a double standard both here at TRF and the court of public opinion. For some, the sins of the child come from the parent.
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Most definitely. Fergie would be totally blamed for their actions.

Sonjapearl said:
I agree with your first statement.

As for Eugenie, didn't she get naked during a school party some years ago? I heard she ran around the school grounds with other nude classmates. Of course, she wasn't photographed, but I can imagine the shock some people had hearing that.
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Yeah, she and some friends went streaking. I think the reactions would have been brutal if she had actually been photographed. Just look at the crap she took for those photos of her on the beach in Thailand. She wasn't even nude, but people were saying that she behaved inappropriately and was disgracing the BRF.

I just think there is a pass given to males for certain behavior that there isn't for women. Chelsy and Pippa have been called tacky and trashy for partying. And take a look at the fashion threads, female royals are routinely criticized for wearing their skirts too short. I can just imagine the judgement if any of them were photographed playing strip billiards.
 
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ladongas said:
Mirabel, I think the drinking is the problem. He needs to get counseling for what is likely a problem with alcohol.
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After he got caught doing "strip billiard" (however you play that game) one time? Now THAT is hypocritical :whistling:
 
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well he young single in hot. so all i can say is. i wish i was there lol.
 
and he was in a hotel. didnt prince william get his photo taken of his you know what outside
 
ladongas said:
Mirabel, I think the drinking is the problem. He needs to get counseling for what is likely a problem with alcohol.
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Oh come on, he's single and still in his twenties. Let him enjoy a few beers, cocktails, shots, whatever.

Most of us have made a fool of themselves while getting drunk. Some of you act as if the the world is ending. He was probably drunk, acting like fool and someone took the liberty to take photos and sold them without his consent. It's an embarrasement. Doesn't make him any less of a decent human being.
 
KittyAtlanta said:
I concede, there is nothing wrong with nudity. However, I do feel he's a foolish man and will be an embarrassment. Those photos of Charles and Andrew were taken with telephoto lenses...Harry's were taken from the room. He got caught...too bad he'll have to behave himself at least for a while. What a dolt.

Oh, and all you people who have posted here saying it's OK for Harry to do this and who post scathing things about a certain Sophia in Sweden, you need to look at your standards. Sophia was upfront about her former career, Harry hides his activity...until now.
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Kitty..I realize that people can be a bit harsh and judgmental but surely we aren't comparing Harry and Sophia?

I dont think what Harry did was the brightest thing but how can you compare playing a game of strip billiards (like strip poker) in th privacy of your own room with people you think you can trust (until someone takes a photo and sells you out to the tabloids) to a young lady who models nude and takes provocative pictures with a snake, and before dating her boyfriend (who happens to be a Prince) seeked fame via reality television shows.

Sorry, I respect your opinion (although we tend to disagree on some matters) but I don't think its the same AT ALL.
 
wait. one of the girls was his girlfriend ?
 
ladongas said:
Mirabel, I think the drinking is the problem. He needs to get counseling for what is likely a problem with alcohol.
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Truth be told, there's a lot of difference between a party hardy weekend warrior and someone with a drinking problem. If Harry has had a problem with alcohol or any other substance for that matter, there is no way he would have been accepted and trained as an Apache helicopter pilot scheduled for active duty in Afghanistan. I'm sure they're under scrutiny and also alcohol/drug tested from time to time.

He may have overdone it when he was at leave to do so, but it in no way reflects a drinking problem.
 
i feel that it doesnt matter. people will talk about it then move on. we know now what he do in hotels with friends lol
 
The bottom (no pun intended) line is he is one hell of a hunk.

Most countries have "code of behavior" for its military officers and being splashed across newspapers in the nude is usually not acceptable. Any indication this will impact his military rank?
 
no because remeber william also showed hisslef in it didnt hurt him in rank it just now we see what he has
 
KittyAtlanta said:
I concede, there is nothing wrong with nudity. However, I do feel he's a foolish man and will be an embarrassment. Those photos of Charles and Andrew were taken with telephoto lenses...Harry's were taken from the room. He got caught...too bad he'll have to behave himself at least for a while. What a dolt.

Oh, and all you people who have posted here saying it's OK for Harry to do this and who post scathing things about a certain Sophia in Sweden, you need to look at your standards. Sophia was upfront about her former career, Harry hides his activity...until now.
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Sophia's "career" involved displaying her genitals on film for money and fame. In that manner she was indeed "upfront" about it...how else would she have reached her stated goal?

Frankly she had no choice BUT to be "upfront" about her career...the photos had been widely displayed before she met the Prince, and she herself had gone online to boast about shoving her tongue down the the throat of a porn star as well! :sad:

Harry was at a private party. He definitely wasn't naked because he was trying to get attention. And he wasn't trying to hide anything except his front portion which is more than Ms Hellqvist had the decency to do.

The Sofia/Harry comparison is apples and oranges.

Or apples and pythons.
 
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Kataryn said:
When I was a child in the sixties, a good girl was soo modest she only shared her clothes in a dark bedroom under the sheets... So a "good girl" was never ever seem as even having knees, for she was always covered up completely... Seems some old behaviours have survived till today. Astonishing.
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Oh! The good girl memories you bring back. In catholic schools in the '60s we were not allowed to ever wear black patent leather shoes. Why? Because they reflect a girl's underwear. :whistling:
 
Sonjapearl said:
Not to derail the thread, but Sofia Hellqvist was not a porn star. She may have kissed one, but that doesn't mean she did porn.

But yes, there are worse things in the world than what Harry did. Its not like he hurt anyone.
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Have you Google'd Ms. Hellqvist's photos? Seen the ones in the front seat of the car and in bondage on the beach?

Where I come from, that's what you call pornography. :ermm:
 
Moonmaiden23 said:
Have you Google'd Ms. Hellqvist's photos? Seen the ones in the front seat of the car and in bondage on the beach?

Where I come from, that's what you call pornography. :ermm:
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No, I haven't. I'm at work now, so obviously I can't Google those images.
 
Foolish, not bad. He'll be in some trouble with his commanding officer and I don't mean the Queen. But on his side is that at least he was in the privacy of his room and not in a public place.

It will be forgotten in the rush to see William and Catherine on tour, and probably forgiven by the majority when he goes to Afghanistan.

These pictures will probably not be printed in the UK by the main stream media. I've not seen them and I don't intend to go looking either. Judging by some comments on here, it might not be good for me at my age, :). Too much excitment
 
I think his behaviour is stupid... and not because he is a prince. I find this behaviour disgusting..... getting drunk and getting naked ( and having sex?) with someone you actually don't really now and it doesn't matter whether you are a prince of fireman.
I know that a lot of people find this normal nowadays but I REFUSE!!!! to find this normal. It is very irresponsible and of a low standard. Call me whatever you want.
 
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