Harry's Night in Vegas: August 2012

[Princess of Durham]

What I'm finding most disturbing about this discussion are the self-righteous pontifications, the sanctimonious condemnations, the complete loss of perspective, the reduction of human foibles to black and white, the presentation of personal opinion as incontrovertible fact ("that's all that's to it and nothing more"), the quick and easy dismissiveness as individuals are assessed, found wanting, and discarded ("he IS a lost boy"), all the while delivered in the tone and stance of being oh-so-morally-superior.

From my observation, what makes it even more ugly and unsettling is the apparent glee some members display in their harsh but happy rush to judge and condemn. Added to that is the underlying cold nastiness that others inadvertently reveal about themselves. Ugh. This thread, now at 33 pages in 6 days, continues to expand. The way I sense it, so is the ickiness factor.

Thank You! Very well said.

 

[EIIR]

Not quite. I'm not concerned whether members consider Harry a hero or a villain. What I do find unedifying is self-righteousness and nastiness. These are often apparent in tone rather than content and it is tone which gives a debate, a discussion, a thread or an entire forum it's atmosphere or flavour. If gleeful maliciousness or sanctimonious finger waving edge out good nature and good humour, the atmosphere can deteriorate and become very uncomfortable. That adversely affects the member experience and members' overall enjoyment of the Forums.

It was my observation tonight, together with another colleague, that some of these concerns were being realised. As a result I made my - up till then - one and only post in this thread.

Warren, you are a prince among men (pun intended!). This needed saying so badly, and you've said it beautifully.

What people don't seem to want to understand is that human beings aren't robots. Just because Harry's 27 and from a rich family doesn't mean he should be expected to never make a mistake. Unless I'm missing something, unscrupulous girls (or men) don't swan around with a sign on their foreheads saying 'Beware! I'm trouble!'. We all make judgements on the people we meet, we sometimes get it right, we sometimes get it wrong.

Harry has to be able to meet new people, particularly new women. Otherwise, life would be pretty bloody dull simply being round the same small group of people all the time. He made a mistake in this instance about at least one of these women, but being almost 28, or 58 for that matter, doesn't automatically make a person a brilliant judge of character.

As a 27 year old, I make stupid mistakes all the time. Last year, despite having been driving for almost a decade, I made a stupid mistake and crashed into the back of the car in front of mine. I was going too fast and was too close to the car in front, which I know is stupid, but I still did it. I've also made stupid decisions about men more than once in my time. Why? Because I'm human! Apparently, though, many on this forum would have me hung up for not always doing the right thing because I'm 27 and should apparently be able to make the right decisions all the time!

Harry has always been very popular for being rambunctious, energetic and fun. He's always enjoyed a drink and a night on the tiles, like most people do. He takes it too far occasionally, like most people do. The fact that he made a silly mistake while in the buff doesn't change the fact that he's serving his country and putting his life on the line in doing so, and he completes his royal duties in an effective way. Harry's popularity will not be affected in the slightest by this.

 

[Tyger]

But I am 100% sure that he was not being serious when he said he would beat up the dealer if he lost...

You say this with that level of certainty because .... you were there? Have personal experience of what Harry is like as a drunk?

It's unlikely the dealer was 'scared' in any case. The level of security is such in those casinos that such a threat would have had casino security on top of the situation within seconds. The dealer was not in danger - and if Harry were competent he would know such a 'threat' could not be enforced and so saying such might be a 'joke'. Yes. He was, however, drunk - and neither you nor I can know exactly how acute his sense of the ironic was at that moment.

he is has never shown the slightest tendency toward being aggressive or violent!

And you know this because......how? There have been public instances of Harry being aggressive while drunk as has been pointed out already above.

If Harry was only drunk is a question. If he had a little 'something more' in his cocktail, all bets are off regarding his inhibitions. One thing is clear - he was pretty full of himself and was feeling pretty invincible and unaccountable. I think the friendliness of the Americans charmed him into feeling that he was 'among friends'. We are a friendly sort that way.

 

[angieuk]

If he has a new girlfriend the best thing she can do is dump him as quickly as possible.

He may have a lot of things going for him but it seems inside his head, just a lot of sawdust. A scarecrow has more sense.

 

[camelot23ca]

If he has a new girlfriend the best thing she can do is dump him as quickly as possible.

He may have a lot of things going for him but it seems inside his head, just a lot of sawdust. A scarecrow has more sense.

He DOES have a lot of things going for him, though. There was a very nice video of him posted in the current events thread in conjunction with the Paralympics. Whatever his faults may be I think Harry is a genuinely caring person with a lot of empathy.

I think I fall somewhere in the middle of the opinions regarding the Vegas episode. I think it's much more serious than his most vigorous defenders do but much less serious than what his harshest critics are saying. It's not a great situation, but it's not insurmountable, either, as long as it doesn't become a pattern.

Going forward, I hope we see much more of well groomed Harry speaking up for a good cause, and much less of his drunk, pasty butt!

 

[Tyger]

Not quite. I'm not concerned whether members consider Harry a hero or a villain. What I do find unedifying is self-righteousness and nastiness. These are often apparent in tone rather than content and it is tone which gives a debate, a discussion, a thread or an entire forum it's atmosphere or flavour. If gleeful maliciousness or sanctimonious finger waving edge out good nature and good humour, the atmosphere can deteriorate and become very uncomfortable. That adversely affects the member experience and members' overall enjoyment of the Forums.

I think it has everything to do with what one brings to the table as a propensity - in how one interprets opinions one is not comfortable with - than any objective 'tone'. Tone is a very subjective judgement. I have certainly experienced as an observer and as a recipient objective content getting ott and very personal responses. Interpreting the tone of a text starts a slippery slope imo. One has to only experience the 'flame-wars' that can occur on other chat sites solely because someone doesn't like someone's 'tone' to realize how righteous, indeed, some people can get over 'tone'. (The most effective trolling on the IMDb message boards, in fact, use this objection to a poster's 'tone' to keep the pot stirred).

It should be kept in mind that the current population - unlike 30 to 40 years ago - has a high personal acquaintance with addictions, recovery (12-Step Programs) and various and sundry psychological issues - either personally or with family or friends. There is a high level of savvy regarding psychological terms - unlike 50 years ago, when it could be reasonably said, psychological stuff was best 'left to the professionals'. No longer - the terms are the lingua franca of our lives because often rooted in everyday experience where we try to understand the social world we live in. It remains impolite to call each other by these terms, of course - but who among us has not said to someone, "Do you think I'm/you're being paranoid?" or something similar and then had a weighing in.

For sure I can vouch for how uncomfortable a chat site can get when it's decided that it's open season on a poster or posters because the ideas they float are deemed unpopular, don't quite fit with the prevailing narrative. If 'tone' becomes an issue - such a subjective thing - its a near no-win situation. I recall the literal sanctity that surrounded JFK, the US president killed in 1963. Had anyone dared breath the truth about his sexual shenanigans in the 1960's into 1970's - and some did - they would be hooted off the stage, relegated into social exile, debunked as a crank and 'malicious' person. This is not far from that atmosphere back then.

I am also well aware that some of this is a male-female thing. Separate issue but I think it comes out in discussions around sexual matters. A thread on just that might be interesting to have - because it's certainly coming up here. I for one have not found this thread to be unpleasant (except for one or two occasions when posters felt they could smear another poster by false inference). There is definitely a difference of opinion - but stating the view that Harry is a 'little boy lost' is an opinion not a tone imo. Mentioning it in the context you have is a form of leveling a penalty and dampening down posters saying their truth.

 

[Danishla]

I think Harry showed bad judgment you don't get naked in front of strangers, especially if your in his position. I don't think he is an alcoholic that is not possible with the flying he does.

Well said . . .

 

[Tyger]

He DOES have a lot of things going for him, though. There was a very nice video of him posted in the current events thread in conjunction with the Paralympics. Whatever his faults may be I think Harry is a genuinely caring person with a lot of empathy.

I agree. Having problems does not make one a whit less interesting or worthy of love. Of the two brothers it is Harry I think that is the more pleasant and charismatic on a personal level - most alcoholics are, I have found. (some are not, of course). However, he also has an alcohol problem. Just google Prince Harry and you will see that he once snorted vodka up his nose - its serious, folks, when someone thinks that to have a good time they must be drunk.

As someone has mentioned to me - often people believe alcoholism is about 'needing' to drink every day. It isn't. Binge drinking may be something one tries out a few times. If it goes beyond that, especially to black-out - a person needs to re-evaulate their lives and where they are heading. The young people on this board who think that Harry doing this makes it 'okay' and 'cool' - and do not yet recognize its danger to him and themselves when they do it - are being done a disservice by those who are saying it is harmless and an over reaction.

 

[Avicenna]

One thing is clear - he was pretty full of himself and was feeling pretty invincible and unaccountable. I think the friendliness of the Americans charmed him into feeling that he was 'among friends'. We are a friendly sort that way.

Just wondering ...
After his US-military training he went to Las Vegas for a few days. Maybe he stayed in the same place back then. Did maybe the same things. Nothing happened afterwards, so maybe he was simply convinced everything would be fine this time, too. Lots of speculation. I know. Just an idea ...

 

[LadyoftheLake]

I agree. Having problems does not make one a whit less interesting or worthy of love. Of the two brothers it is Harry I think that is the more pleasant and charismatic on a personal level - most alcoholics are, I have found. (some are not, of course). However, he also has an alcohol problem. Just google Prince Harry and you will see that he once snorted vodka up his nose - its serious, folks, when someone thinks that to have a good time they must be drunk.

As someone has mentioned to me - often people believe alcoholism is about 'needing' to drink every day. It isn't. Binge drinking may be something one tries out a few times. If it goes beyond that, especially to black-out - a person needs to re-evaulate their lives and where they are heading. The young people on this board who think that Harry doing this makes it 'okay' and 'cool' - and do not yet recognize its danger to him and themselves when they do it - are being done a disservice by those who are saying it is harmless and an over reaction.

Alcohol abuse generally refers to people who do not display the characteristics of alcoholism but still have a problem with it - these people are not as dependent on alcohol as an alcoholic is; they have not yet completely lost their control over its consumption.

Consuming moderate quantities of alcohol will not usually cause any physical or psychological harm. Unfortunately, for some people social drinking eventually leads to heavier drinking, which can cause devastating health and psychological problems. According to the National Health Service (NHS), UK, approximately 1 in every 13 people in the UK is an alcoholic - a sizable proportion of the UK population drinks excessively

What Is An Alcoholic? What Is Alcoholism?

 

[EIIR]

If he has a new girlfriend the best thing she can do is dump him as quickly as possible.

He may have a lot of things going for him but it seems inside his head, just a lot of sawdust. A scarecrow has more sense.

Seriously? The fact that he misjudged a couple of girls while on a lads holiday means that he's more stupid than a scarecrow? If that's the criteria then most men are utter dunces.

If occasionally getting drunk with his mates and making a fool of himself while doing so were a reason to dump a guy then British women would have to start emigrating to find partners.

Harry is a handsome, buff, fun-loving guy who appears to be a very good friend (as proved by the incident with his mate who was recently mugged). He's a pilot in a seriously demanding job, he's served his country in war and also dedicates time to good causes. Oh, and he's a multimillionaire. Even with the occasional lads weekend with his mates, that's still an incredibly attractive package. If anything, it's the fact that he's apparently not even entitled to privacy while in a private hotel room on a private holiday that should make a woman think twice about becoming involved with him. That's pretty sad for Harry.

 

[Mermaid1962]

I can only speak for myself, Warren; and I certainly have no "glee" when thinking or speaking about the situation in which Harry has found himself. As for sanctimony, people have different values which they hold dear. For me, drinking too much and being nude at parties isn't "okay." That is my personal moral conviction. I do sometimes think that Harry could end up in serious, serious trouble someday because he appears to me to be reckless and someone who can't stop drinking once he starts. There are people who are "binge" alcoholics. They can be sober for periods but can't control their drinking when they get the chance to indulge. I wish the best for him in terms of having a stable life, one without the high-level partying that could damage him at some point. People die from overdrinking and high-jinks. It happens.

If gleeful maliciousness or sanctimonious finger waving edge out good nature and good humour, the atmosphere can deteriorate and become very uncomfortable. That adversely affects the member experience and members' overall enjoyment of the Forums.

 

[LadyoftheLake]

Prince Harry dumped by Cressida Bonas over naked hotel antics - Mirror Online

For Harry's sake I hope there isn't any more pics or videos yet to be seen out there.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

OMG aren't you guys getting tired discussing Harry's night of fun. Obviously he had fun.

Yes, I am. It's been a week now and it's getting kind of boring isn't it?

 

[Moonmaiden23]

I agree. Having problems does not make one a whit less interesting or worthy of love. Of the two brothers it is Harry I think that is the more pleasant and charismatic on a personal level - most alcoholics are, I have found. (some are not, of course). However, he also has an alcohol problem. Just google Prince Harry and you will see that he once snorted vodka up his nose - its serious, folks, when someone thinks that to have a good time they must be drunk.

As someone has mentioned to me - often people believe alcoholism is about 'needing' to drink every day. It isn't. Binge drinking may be something one tries out a few times. If it goes beyond that, especially to black-out - a person needs to re-evaulate their lives and where they are heading. The young people on this board who think that Harry doing this makes it 'okay' and 'cool' - and do not yet recognize its danger to him and themselves when they do it - are being done a disservice by those who are saying it is harmless and an over reaction.

You know Tyger I generally enjoy your posts...many of them are quite insightful.

But for you to make such a firm diagnosis of a serious disease like ALCOHOLISM in the same breath that you admonish me for saying I don't think he is naturally aggressive/violent is just....completely absurd

Do you have access to his medical records, or have personal knowlege of his attendance in therapy to treat such a problem?

He is in the military flying helicopters. There must be medical evaluations that he has to undergo on a regular basis. If there was a serious disease such as alcoholism, I am not sure he would be allowed to continue in his job.

 

[An Ard Ri]

If he has a new girlfriend the best thing she can do is dump him as quickly as possible.

He may have a lot of things going for him but it seems inside his head, just a lot of sawdust. A scarecrow has more sense.

Are you a doctor?

 

[Viv]

Maybe it's been said before - I haven't been through all 34 pages of this thread - but IMO the occasional binge drinker is not necessarily an alcoholic! Harry would have been booted out of the Armed Forces by now had he been a drunkard! He's a young royal, and several of them - including his continental counterparts! - have a habit of holding court and going over the top when partying. They have a number of privileges and freebees, they have people attending to their every whim and there are plenty of folks eager to be part of the fun and some of them will also take advantage of it. It goes with the territory I'm afraid! Most of these royals have not had hands- on parents like the rest of us and most of them have been brought up and supervised by nannies and courtiers.

IMO being royal and being brought up in a royal environment must do something to one's self understanding and sense of reality. These people are not like the rest of us and IMHO we cannot apply our bourgeois standards when judging their behaviour, because they don't operate by them!
viv

 

[An Ard Ri]

Maybe it's been said before - I haven't been trough all 34 pages of this thread - but IMO the occational binge drinker is not necessarily an alcoholic! Harry would have been booted out of the Armed Forces by now had he been a drunkard! He's a young royal, and several of them - and this includes his continental counterparts! - have a habit of holding court and going over the top when they're partying. They have a number of privileges and freebees, they have people attending to their every whim and there are plenty of folks eager to be part of the fun and some of them will also take advantage of it. It goes with the territory I'm afraid! Most of these royals have not had hands- on parents like the rest of us and most of them have been brought up and supervised by nannies and courtiers.

IMO being royal and being brought up in a royal environment must do something to one's self understanding and sense of reality. These people are not like the rest of us and IMHO we cannot apply our bourgeois standards when judging their behaviour , because they don't operate by them!
viv

Well said Viv,nice to see the voice of reason has not been totally swallowed up in this sanctimonious sea.

 

[Tyger]

You know Tyger I generally enjoy your posts...many of them are quite insightful.

Thank you.

But for you to make such a firm diagnosis of a serious disease like ALCOHOLISM in the same breath that you admonish me for saying I don't think he is naturally aggressive/violent is just....completely absurd.

I try.

You said 100% certain - and I was just pointing that out - there's no way of knowing whether a drunk Harry threatening to beat someone up was being 'jokey'. We can see how he might - but we can also see how he might not - therefore, not 100%.

The evidence thus far is that he has a serious issue with drinking - its been going on for years - so much so that his father sent him to rehab (we are told). He's snorted vodka. (Dear gawd). He binges and drinks to oblivion - these are all 'signs' - and if a whole nation thinks this is just normal - well, I can still say in the face of it, it ain't. At the rate he's going he's going to lose his looks, his health and a lot more that he currently values.

He is in the military flying helicopters. There must be medical evaluations that he has to undergo on a regular basis. If there was a serious disease such as alcoholism, I am not sure he would be allowed to continue in his job.

From what I understand of these things one only has to be 'clean' a certain number of hours before the tests. From everything I am hearing elsewhere drinking and fighter pilots go together hand-in-hand.

Fact is, Harry has brought shame on the military (if not the BRF). Any other common ordinary bloke would be demoted and/or kicked out. Harry, not being ordinary, will likely just get a wrist slap and actually get deployed to Afghanistan. (I have my own views on using a seriously hellish war zone as a photo-op for a royal's rehabilitation - Afghanistan is seriously not safe - for anyone - and personally, I think it's 'not cool' sending him as its disrespectful to those who are there. Afghanistan is not a lark).

BTW I stand on record as deploring the breach of his privacy. I used the word 'despicable' to describe it before the newspapers did. (Not taking any credit there, just saying). However, as I've thought about it I've begun to wonder. I have begun to suspect that something was going on that made breaching the privacy an 'easier' decision than if all was 'normal'. As it happens, we're going to find out. These women have a story to tell - and dollars to donuts its not flattering.

You know it's also possible that Harry does not have one shred of memory about anything that went on. (That would be a good excuse for him to use, in fact).

 

[rominet09]

I think a lot of people forget something very important : he has killed nobody !
I don't approve of exhibisionism and drunkeness BUT these things are not crimes !!!

 

[Pranter]

Prince Harry dumped by Cressida Bonas over naked hotel antics - Mirror Online

For Harry's sake I hope there isn't any more pics or videos yet to be seen out there.

If it's true, smart girl.


LaRae

 

[Sonjapearl]

The evidence thus far is that he has a serious issue with drinking - its been going on for years - so much so that his father sent him to rehab (we are told).

Didn't he go to rehab after the pot smoking incident to understand how smoking weed can lead to other drug behaviors? I don't recall ever hearing about him going to alcoholic rehab.

I think suggesting Harry is an alcoholic is a bit extreme. He does have poor judgment skills, but that is all. Like others have said, he wouldn't have passed his helicopter exams or have been allowed to train as a pilot if his drinking activities were a problem.

 

[Isabella]

Didn't he go to rehab after the pot smoking incident to understand how smoking weed can lead to other drug behaviors? I don't recall ever hearing about him going to alcoholic rehab.

Indeed. From what I recall, he wasn't sent because of an addiction or anything like that, but more to show him the dangers of drug use (after he got caught using pot, like you said).

 

[LadyoftheLake]

RAF Code of Conduct

Whining and complaining or otherwise ungentlemanly behavior will not be tolerated. We are not baby sitters here. Immaturity has no place here. Whether you are 12 or 72 you will act like an adult or you will be dismissed.

RESPECT, INTEGRITY, SERVICE AND EXCELLENCE What are the Core Values of the Royal Air Force ?
Core values are those values by which we lead our lives and which we aspire to develop in others.The Royal Air Force core values are: Respect, Integrity, Service and Excellence, nurtured by effective and consistent leadership.These values, rooted in the moral and social development of our society over many generations, have a unifying function within the Royal Air Force and constitute the founding principles of our ethos as a warfighting Service. We have a tradition of overcoming adversity to deliver, through Air Power, exceptional results.
Good leadership is crucial to maintaining ethos. It inspires and underpins the values and capabilities of the Royal Air Force. History shows that good leadership at all levels can transform seemingly unwinnable situations into success. Every member of the Royal Air Force has the duty and ability to lead and the moral responsibility to live by our core values.
RESPECT. Service in the Royal Air Force is more than just loyalty to the Crown, military superiors, subordinates and comrades. It also involves the respect for others and a sense of pride. It flows from the duty to put others first and it means there is no place for prejudice or unlawful discrimination:

Self-Respect. Self-respect means to have a proper sense of your own dignity and integrity.To have self-respect is to value yourself as a professional and as a human being, and underpins our attitudes to sexual behaviour, drugs and alcohol. People with self-respect have high personal standards of social behaviour and do not behave in ways that bring dis- credit upon themselves, their comrades, their unit or the Royal Air Force.

Mutual Respect. Respect for others permeates up and down the chain of command as well as among peers. Genuine respect involves viewing other people as individuals of genuine worth, regardless of their race, ethnic origin, religion, gender, sexual orientation or social background. Sometimes, respect for people is required by law. For example, in relation to an armed conflict, the Geneva Conventions require that we respect the dead, the wounded, civilians, prisoners of war and refugees. Service personnel must follow the law and maintain the highest of standards of decency and justice toward people at all times, even in the most difficult conditions.The need for decency, compassion and respect for others is increased by the conditions in which personnel may have to live and operate, particularly on operations.

 

[Madame Royale]

Gosh that article is sooo terribly awful. I mean, the way it's written and the content. Horrid attempt to be a journalist.

 

[Tarlita]

The biggest problem I see for Harry is that whenever in the future he tries to do something serious or bring attention to a serious issue, the press will resurrect these photos, as these photos are now OUT THERE and will remain out there for ever.

 

[Iluvbertie]

RAF Code of Conduct

RESPECT, INTEGRITY, SERVICE AND EXCELLENCE What are the Core Values of the Royal Air Force ?
.

I wonder though if these are the same core values in the British Army - which is the service in which Harry is serving?

 

[LadyoftheLake]

I wonder though if these are the same core values in the British Army - which is the service in which Harry is serving?

Must admit I don't follow Harry that closely (I just knew he piloted a helicopter). Here is the correct one:


Armed Forces Code of Social Conduct: Policy Statement

1. This Code of Social Conduct explains the Armed Forces' policy on personal relationships involving Service personnel. It applies to all members of the Armed Forces regardless of their gender (including gender reassignment status), sexual orientation, race, religion, belief, ability, rank or status. The provisions apply equally to members of the Regular and the Reserve Forces. The Code of Social Conduct should be read in conjunction with the Ministry of Defence's Unified Diversity Strategy.

2. In the area of personal relationships, the overriding operational imperative to sustain team cohesion and to maintain trust and loyalty between commanders and those they command imposes a need for standards of social behaviour that are more demanding than those required by society at large. Such demands are equally necessary during peacetime and on operations. Examples of behaviour that can undermine such trust and cohesion, and therefore damage the morale or discipline of a unit (and hence its operational effectiveness) include:

• unwelcome sexual attention in the form of physical or verbal conduct
• over-familiarity with the spouses, civil partners or partners of other Servic2. In the area of personal relationships, the overriding operational imperative to sustain team cohesion and to maintain trust and loyalty between commanders and those they command imposes a need for standards of social behaviour that are more demanding than those required by society at large. Such demands are equally necessary during peacetime and on operations. Examples of behaviour that can undermine such trust and cohesion, and therefore damage the morale or discipline of a unit (and hence its operational effectiveness) include:

• displays of affection which might cause offence to others

• behaviour which damages or puts at risk the marriage, civil partnership or personal relationships of Service personnel or civilian colleagues within the wider defence community
• misuse of rank and taking advantage of subordinates
• probing into a person's private life and relationships

It is important to acknowledge in the tightly knit military community a need for mutual respect and a requirement to avoid conduct which offends or causes distress to others. Each case will be judged on an individual basis.

3. It is not practicable to list every type of conduct that may constitute social misbehaviour. The seriousness with which misconduct will be regarded will depend on the individual circumstances and the potential for adversely affecting operational effectiveness and team cohesion. Nevertheless, misconduct involving abuse of position, trust or rank, or taking advantage of an individual's separation, will be viewed as being particularly serious.

4. Unacceptable social conduct requires prompt and positive action to prevent damage. Timely advice and informal action can often prevent a situation developing to the point where it could:

• impact adversely on third parties; and/or
• impair the effectiveness of a Service individual or unit
• result in damage to corporate image or reputation

However, on occasion it may be appropriate to proceed directly to formal administrative or disciplinary action. Such action is always to be proportionate to the seriousness of the misconduct. It may constitute a formal warning, official censure, the re-assignment of one or more of the parties involved or disciplinary action. In particularly serious cases, or where an individual persists with, or has a history of acts of social misconduct, formal disciplinary or administrative action may be taken, which might lead to termination of service.

[QUOTE]The Service Test

5. When considering possible cases of social misconduct, and in determining whether the Service has a duty to intervene in the personal lives of its personnel, Commanding Officers at every level must consider each case against the following Service Test:

"Have the actions or behaviour of an individual adversely impacted or are they likely to impact on the efficiency or operational effectiveness of the Service?"

This Service Test lies at the heart of the Armed Forces' Code of Social Conduct; it is equally applicable to all forms of conduct, including behaviour while not on duty. In assessing whether to take action, Commanding Officers will consider a series of key criteria. This will establish the seriousness of the misconduct and its impact on operational effectiveness and thus the appropriate and proportionate level of sanction. Each of the Services has its own statement on values and standards.[/QUOTE]


Diversity Impact Assessment

This policy does not discriminate on grounds of race, ethnic origin, religion, belief, sexual orientation or social background. Neither does it discriminate on grounds of gender, disability or age, insofar as the legislation applies to the Armed Forces. The Diversity Impact Assessment is held by the "Code of Social Conduct" Policy sponsor.

 

[Daria_S]

Harry faces 'dressing down' from commanding officer - Telegraph

 

[Mariel]

I would break into guffaws if I had to address him as "Your Royal Highness".

But I don't think he's an alcoholic in the sense of having an irresistable craving because that
would keep him out of the service.

What he has is an extreme sensitivity to alcohol. If he drinks it, he goes bananas, loses his judgment.
Not something a royal highness should do.