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Old 01-11-2016, 06:15 PM
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And that is totally ok. It doesn't mean that your family is not close. But in mine, it's fair game. Maybe you half-ask as in "this chicken is not saved for something, is it?", but it's free for family. Different families :)
That's how my family is too. In fact, my grandmother will take it as a slight if you don't take something to eat or drink. My uncle, who lives in a flat below my grandparents, has a habit of coming upstairs and grabbing whatever he wants without any ceremony. Now, I on the other hand, will ALWAYS ask if I can have something. It's just my way of doing things. I don't feel comfortable just taking things without asking if I'm not in my own home. If Harry feels comfortable going into his brother and sister-in-law's fridge, more power to him. I'm sure if such behavior was unwelcome, something would be said. Neither William nor Harry strike me as a type of person to let things fester. As for the constant ribbing, I'd imagine it's just how they're with each other. There's no malice in the interactions. No need to make drama where there's none.



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Old 01-11-2016, 07:04 PM
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In my family it depends on whose house. My mom and dad, if it is me or my sister, if we're hungry, go get something, don't ask or expect service. My sister and brother in law I would never in a thousand years presume to go in their fridge without asking. My aunts if they have us over for dinner will basically say help yourself to a drink, but that's it. With the exception of my one aunt who I lived with for a half year and house sit for all the time. She treats me like my mom does, if I am hungry, I know where the food is. Grandma would be insulted if anyone asked, her fridge and cupboards open to all. As kids we always knew where the treats cupboards are.
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Old 01-11-2016, 07:09 PM
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In my family it depends on whose house. My mom and dad, if it is me or my sister, if we're hungry, go get something, don't ask or expect service. My sister and brother in law I would never in a thousand years presume to go in their fridge without asking. My aunts if they have us over for dinner will basically say help yourself to a drink, but that's it. With the exception of my one aunt who I lived with for a half year and house sit for all the time. She treats me like my mom does, if I am hungry, I know where the food is. Grandma would be insulted if anyone asked, her fridge and cupboards open to all. As kids we always knew where the treats cupboards are.
Haha, yeah. My grandma get a bit "insulted" if I ask if I can take some milk. She looks at me like "What monster do you think I am, would I say no?!" :P
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Old 08-12-2016, 05:43 AM
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not sure this belongs here but I didn't know where else to post this

Diana's former protection officer offers frank assessments of the princes he guarded | Daily Mail Online
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:48 AM
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An interesting article. I read about it on a DK news site. (They pretty much copy/paste from Daily Mail!)

I think firstly that the protection officer was way out of line for even talking about this! If it's possible he should be hit hard on the head with the fattest volume of the Official Secret's Act it's possible to find!

I also think the protection officer is very biased. He obviously like Harry. Which is fine, so do I, but it's not a objective assessment IMO.
While Harry arguably has a way with people, that does not necessarily make him the best king. Just look at his great-grandfather!

As for the press treating W&H very fairly - well, that's debatable.
I don't think it's out of consideration of W&H's baby-blue eyes, but rather because the press is reluctant to face the wrath of their readers.
To many if not most people, it's still the press that was ultimately responsible for Diana's death, regardless of what our protection officer here say.
One death was bad enough. But hounding Diana's children as well? - There are fanatics out there who might go to extremes in protection of W&H...
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:05 AM
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According to Wharfe, William used to hide his cereal bowl and wouldn't play with Wharfe's walkie-talkie. Clearly William isn't fit to be king.

As for Harry being more like Diana, I'm not sure that is a good thing, at least going by Wharfe's portrayals of Diana.

At best he describes Diana as being slightly unhinged and at worst, being non compos mentis.

Diana would be disgusted with what Wharfe is doing.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:14 AM
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An interesting article. I read about it on a DK news site. (They pretty much copy/paste from Daily Mail!)

I think firstly that the protection officer was way out of line for even talking about this! If it's possible he should be hit hard on the head with the fattest volume of the Official Secret's Act it's possible to find!
They don't sign the Official Secret's Act to not tell stories about the love life and upbringing of the royal children. These aren't state secrets.

I am not even sure if someone such as a royal protection officer would even be required to sign it. If they did it wouldn't be to stop them revealing things like this but things that affect the security of the nation and talking about someone who has been dead for nearly 20 years and boys who were children under 10 when he knew them doesn't qualify.

He is still a sleeze but I don't see that he has done anything illegal at all - disgusting yes but illegal no.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:17 AM
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A pity. In many other countries, including DK, he (and the publisher) could look forward to time in prison. - Not to mention breaching the laws on privacy.

If you can't trust your protection officers to keep their big mouths shut, who can you trust?
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:58 AM
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I believe I read something about royal household staff signing some form of contract to not discuss the family (possibly only relates to the Queen's household as Burrell didn't hold back?)

Reading the above article, there's nothing really shocking there, more an opinion on the characters ..... not that anyone would want that put forward into the public domain either!

William being described as "a bit wet" "a bit difficult" and "shy" as a child will definitely not sit well along with the opinion he should "get over" the media!

Is this type of stuff even briefed to the people in question?!
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:17 AM
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Don't know why people are paying this guy any attention. Sales for his book is all he care about. Of course the DM would be happy to help him.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:18 AM
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In his defense, isn't this character assesment not what a lot of the people have been thinking and/or saying?
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:28 AM
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In his defense, isn't this character assesment not what a lot of the people have been thinking and/or saying?
Is it?

Not that's it's a popularity contest but I have seen a lot of opinion polls regarding the BRF and I've seen a lot of polls saying William should become the next king after the death of the Queen. I've never seen any poll to suggest people want Harry to become king.

I was 'difficult' and 'shy' at times as kid but grew up to be a responsible adult.

Ken Wharfe has had no contact with William or Harry for 20 years.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:38 AM
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He actually also describes William as sly.

Haven't there been polls though that Harry is the most popular member and people would prefer him as King? Because I feel like there have been quite a few.
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:41 AM
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Is it?

Not that's it's a popularity contest but I have seen a lot of opinion polls regarding the BRF and I've seen a lot of polls saying William should become the next king after the death of the Queen. I've never seen any poll to suggest people want Harry to become king.

I agree.
Moreover, any time Harry is mentioned, there are people who bring up Hewitt and insist he's Harry's biological father. (Even though the only resemblance is their coloring).

But there will always be people who believe it; I used to read comments saying that if Harry were ever to become king, people would be entitled to demand a public DNA test!
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Old 08-12-2016, 11:24 AM
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Harry is always up there in the popularity polls with the Queen, William, Kate, as most popular Royal. Pollsters wouldn't ask the question about Harry being preferable as King as they know such a thing is constitutionally impossible anyway. Nor do I believe that Harry would want the job.

People believe, or pretend they believe, all sorts of things that aren't true, and the Harry Hewitt thing only turns up occasionally now in comments on online tabs like the Daily Fail.

Ken Wharfe's entitled to his opinion, for what it's worth. However, as I wrote on the Charles and Diana thread, Diana has been dead for nearly twenty years and Wharfe hasn't seen her sons for about a quarter of a century. So I really think it's about time he just shut up about his life in Royal service. I've heard most of it before anyway.
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Old 08-12-2016, 05:08 PM
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so why do people give him the Oxygen of publicity? I would never have bougtht his book. I did read some of it, a library copy when it came out, but I felt that it was totally biased and it was wrong of him to do it.
Whether techcniclaly illegal or not, it was a betrayal of trust and what is expected of people who work in jobs like PPO..
Like Jephson, I think he left Di's service with a grudge against her.. and wrote a rather nasty book.. Then, as time passed both of thtem have had to think of new angles, or perhaps felt that there was a time when "crticical stories of Diana sold" (as a reacton to the very adoring coverage that she had had soon after her death), had now passed and he should find some new way of packaging his "story". So Wharfe is now talking about W and harry whom he hasn't seen for decades and who both IIRC criticised him for his first book. I certianly would not read it again, I bought a paper the other day and found that the book was serialised in it, so I ditched the paper...
He has nothing new to say, he is wrong in writing a book at all and he's clearly talking a load of nonsense about most things...
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Old 08-12-2016, 08:39 PM
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Ugh, what a horrible man! This is actually the first I've heard of him. It amazes me there aren't, (or apparently weren't, at that time), iron clad confidentiality agreements to be signed prior to starting work for the royal family.

Harry has always seemed more superficially charming and open than his brother. I get the feeling that, with Harry, what you see is what you get for the most part. Of course, I'm sure a lot of us know people who are lots of fun at a party but nowhere to be found when things get rough, (and to be clear, I'm not saying Harry seems like that, just pointing out that charm isn't always an indication of good character). Harry also hasn't had the intensity and level of scrutiny and expectation that William has had from birth - Harry has much more leeway to make mistakes.

I get the feeling William never completely relaxes unless he's in private with close family or very close friends. With everyone else - protection officers, for example - there's probably a line that doesn't get crossed. Given the amount of attention and intrusions on their privacy that the family has had to deal with that's probably smart.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:36 PM
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Non disclosure agreements

[QUOTE=Dee Anna;1916181]I believe I read something about royal household staff signing some form of contract to not discuss the family (possibly only relates to the Queen's household as Burrell didn't hold back?)

If I remember correctly, Burrell's books were at first only published in the US because of an NDA.

There was a period in the late 70's when some ex servants went to press and the palace made everyone start signing nda's.

But the truth is that nda's are not worth the paper they are written on as they are only enforceable in the country they are drawn up in, thus Burrell publishing in the US.

I think this man's betrayal of William is far worse than his betrayal of Diana as Diana cannot really be hurt by any of this, but to publicly say that William will not make a good king is awful. Especially based on the pranks of a young child.

I think William and Harry mirror Elizabeth and Margaret. The elder more serious and the younger freer and (on the surface) more fun.

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Old 08-13-2016, 02:41 PM
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He actually also describes William as sly.

Haven't there been polls though that Harry is the most popular member and people would prefer him as King? Because I feel like there have been quite a few.
I don't think so and even if there were, Harry is not going to be King.. Not unless his brother, and any children he has predecease H. Not going to happen.

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Harry has always seemed more superficially charming and open than his brother. I get the feeling that, with Harry, what you see is what you get for the most part. Of course, I'm sure a lot of us know people who are lots of fun at a party but nowhere to be found when things get rough, (and to be clear, I'm not saying Harry seems like that, just pointing out that charm isn't always an indication of good character). Harry also hasn't had the intensity and level of scrutiny and expectation that William has had from birth - Harry has much more leeway to make mistakes.

I get the feeling William never completely relaxes unless he's in private with close family or very close friends. With everyone else - protection officers, for example - there's probably a line that doesn't get crossed. Given the amount of attention and intrusions on their privacy that the family has had to deal with that's probably smart.
Striclty speaking PPOs work for the police not the RF.
Agree about Harry and William. Not a great fan of either of them, but I think that Will IS smart in being very wary of people and the press.. Why SHOULD He like a Protection officer when he was 12 or so? Maybe he was sensible in realising that Wharfe was not very trustworthy ( I don't really think that Will was that clever as a kid but I think he is sensible now and does not take the chance of trusting anyone too far.).
Harry is a nice enough guy but he's not that hard a worker, IMO, he is not as charming as he thinks he is, and he's a nice fella but not much substance to him. William is not that hard a worker either but he does not seem to be always "out there" charming and chatting to the press etc.. so I am less irritated by him..
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Old 10-13-2016, 05:06 PM
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I think the biggest indicator of William and Harry's relationship has to be the way they've chosen to work together in official capacity. Yes, they each do a lot of things independently of the other. But they created an office at Kensington Palace to share, they've found ways to coordinate their charitable focuses (and Kate's) into an overarching theme of mental health, and they've worked together on several occasions to organize large events such as the Concert for Diana.

Prince Charles was pretty vocal (well, as vocal as royals get in these situations) about wanting them to stay under the umbrella of Clarence House and he's seemed to allow Clarence House staffers a degree of leeway to complain to the press about the differences of philosophy and strategy that exist between his office and theirs. It seems like a strong statement on their part to step together out of that situation and take charge of their own royal careers together. Even just moving to Kensington at all, when there seemed to be moves to phase out the royal residences there and try to keep more royal apartments on the St. James complex (which is where Clarence House is, right?), seems to have been something of a coordinated power move on their part. They're standing united in their decision create their own charitable work rather than simply take on management of the Prince's Trust, too. All in all, while their father certainly has one model in mind for modernizing the royal family once he becomes king, William has his own ideas percolating for how things should be once he's on the throne, and Harry's working together with him to lay a foundation.

And more generally, it seems to me that there's a pretty sharp contrast between William and Harry's comfort with each other and the way the next generation older operates. Charles and his siblings have acted quite independently of each other from the start of their lives as working royals. It's very rare to see any combination of Charles, Anne, Andrew or Edward show up at the same event beyond the really big ones where everyone is expected to attend to the Queen; when they are together they all seem much more relaxed with the Queen than with each other. That's not to suggest bad relationships or outright dislike, just that they aren't around each other enough to be close. They all circle their mother in orbits that rarely intersect. And honestly, that's not that uncommon in families, royal or not. In contrast, William and Harry do a number of joint appearances every year and it's not uncommon to see them playing polo together or choosing to attend the same sporting event. They gravitate towards each other when they're in the same place, they tease each other, and it's not uncommon for them to settle into a more relaxed posture than the "royal on duty" pose when they turn to speak to each other. They may not be the very best friends, they may sometimes push each other's buttons, but they certainly have a comfort with each other that goes far beyond what their father has with his sister and brothers.
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