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Old 01-07-2016, 02:32 AM
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Old 01-07-2016, 02:56 AM
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I think sometimes one has to take things at face value - first impressions can be very important. So I saw the video once and came away thinking how well William and Harry get on and how funny it is that Harry raid the fridge at the Cambridge's fridge.

Naturally one could watch the video over and over again to convince oneself otherwise, but once is enough to form an impression.

Plus who has time to watch it more than once


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Old 01-07-2016, 03:55 AM
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I get some pretty funny images in my mind when I think of Harry babysitting for George and Charlotte. It usually starts with a rousing chorus of "Yay! Uncle Harry's here" and ends up with forts being made and a wonderful playtime being had by all three of them. Harry is fantastic with kids and I think K&W's two would take full advantage of that.
I found it interesting that Harry hasn't babysat yet, by his own admission. Also interesting that Charles hasn't changed any of his grandchildren's diapers.

I think if you were to ask Michael Middleton and James Middleton those exact same questions you would get rather different answers. And if you were to ask Princess Anne about her granddaughters and Peter/Zara about their respective nieces I also think you would get a very different answer.

If George and Charlotte grow-up much closer to the Middleton side of the family, I think instead of blaming their parents or Carole, royal fans need to look at the posh attitudes coming from a couple of princes. Don't expect children to fawn over you if you don't make an effort.
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Old 01-07-2016, 04:35 AM
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I think that Charles changed his own children's nappies and bathed them. Maybe he hasn't been asked to change nappies and perhaps Harry hasn't been asked to babysit.

Do we know that Pippa and James Middleton babysit, change nappies, take George and Charlotte out. Never seen it. They are aunt and uncle to these little ones too. We've never seen Michael Middleton, the other grandad, pushing any prams or George on a swing. Are we to suppose that they are always around them, wiping off goo and changing nappies?

Children like Harry very much, as can be seen from his public engagements with kids and he interacts with them beautifully. He probably plays with George when he sees him which isn't often because the Cambridges are in Norfolk more often than not. He has the reverse of a posh attitude with people, especially children IMO.

I think we would be surprised actually at how little members of the royal family do catch up with each other, even closely related family members. There was joking in that video when Ant and Dec said they would be following Charles for a year. Either William or Harry then said "You'll be seeing more of him than we do, then!" Which, even allowing for banter, doesn't sound like this grandad casually pops in every week to see his offspring and grandkids. He's a very busy man.
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Old 01-07-2016, 04:55 AM
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One big difference between the Windsor side of the family and the Middleton side is that the Windsor side, for the most part, has daily planners that are filled up months in advance and its well known that Charles is a workaholic, always on the go kind of a guy. Camilla has joked about this a few times even. The Middletons have a business with employees that can well cover anything needed to be done should Mike and Carole dash off to Anmer for a weekend with the grandchildren. I would definitely say that the Middletons have more of an opportunity to be around than the Windsor side does but that doesn't mean that they're more caring or more willing to do the down and dirty side of grandchildren care than anyone else.

George and Charlotte will grow up being close to all of the immediate family and have unique relationships with each of them. Its not a competition at all.
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Old 01-07-2016, 05:47 AM
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One big difference between the Windsor side of the family and the Middleton side is that the Windsor side, for the most part, has daily planners that are filled up months in advance and its well known that Charles is a workaholic, always on the go kind of a guy. Camilla has joked about this a few times even. The Middletons have a business with employees that can well cover anything needed to be done should Mike and Carole dash off to Anmer for a weekend with the grandchildren. I would definitely say that the Middletons have more of an opportunity to be around than the Windsor side does but that doesn't mean that they're more caring or more willing to do the down and dirty side of grandchildren care than anyone else.

George and Charlotte will grow up being close to all of the immediate family and have unique relationships with each of them. Its not a competition at all.
I don't know. Princess Anne is busier than Charles, if we go by engagements. And she appears to be an attentive, affectionate, and available grandma to her granddaughters. Prince Harry is a part-time royal, with no other employment(at the moment), he also has no home commitments (children or wife of his own). As for the Norfolk excuse, well Pippa and James also live in London, it doesn't seem to be a problem for them, and they don't have the KP easy access that he has. He's had 898 days of opportunity to babysit, so far it hasn't been a priority.

I think we have two old-fashioned princes who think men should take a hands-off approach to childcare, that it's 'women's work'. Either that or neither are that close to William so ipso facto they aren't close to his children either.
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Old 01-07-2016, 05:58 AM
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It's amazing what some people have taken from a 10 minute interview. To form the view of what sort of uncle Harry is compared to James and what sort of grandfather Charles is compared to Michael. We know nothing about them really and it's not a game with a winner.


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Old 01-07-2016, 06:16 AM
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Do we know that Pippa and James Middleton babysit, change nappies, take George and Charlotte out. Never seen it. They are aunt and uncle to these little ones too. We've never seen Michael Middleton, the other grandad, pushing any prams or George on a swing. Are we to suppose that they are always around them, wiping off goo and changing nappies?
For one, I’ll go by Pippa’s Matt Lauer interview. Where she gushed about Prince George and talked about how the grandchildren are now the hub of the family, and has made them all even closer than before. And how they (Michael,Carole,Pippa,James) try to spend every weekend possible with the grandkids. We never hear interviews like that from Charles and Harry. Instead we get - no, I haven’t changed their nappies and no, I haven’t babysat. If you asked Harry if he spends most weekends with George and Charlotte, he’d probably laugh and say “only if they want to come to the pub with me and my mates”.
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Old 01-07-2016, 06:23 AM
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I would hope they don't spend all weekend with them Will
And Kate need some time without them. Harry mightn't have babysat no many uncles would. But Harry did drive George to the queens Xmas party IIRC


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Old 01-07-2016, 06:41 AM
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Pippa probably does see George and Charlotte. However we don't see James or Pippa taking them anywhere, nor do we know whether they changed the babies' nappies.

Plus, when asked about them by Lauer she is hardly likely to say "Oh, yes, I see them now and again" is she? If both the younger Middletons see George and Charlotte every weekend, which I doubt, it's odd that George has only ever been seen on outings with Carole and Carole and Kate, not any other Middleton, not even grandad, however close they all are.

Pippa and James are on holiday at St Barts now, doing their own thing, just as Harry does his own thing with his friends. He didn't say he never saw his niece and nephew, just that he'd never babysat them, and we don't know that the Cambridges have ever asked him to. Perhaps Kate prefers her mother to do any babysitting required.

My adult son in his 30's has never babysat his baby twin niece and nephew who are 14 months old. That doesn't mean he isn't a devoted uncle, because he is. He goes over to his sister's house and plays with them. At Anmer and KP there is a nanny, housekeeper who does child-care duties and two parents and yet Harry is selfish and old-fashioned because he hasn't baby-sat? Oh, come on!!
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Old 01-07-2016, 06:45 AM
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Pippa probably does see George and Charlotte. However we don't see James or Pippa taking them anywhere, nor do we know whether they changed the babies' nappies.

Plus, when asked about them by Lauer she is hardly likely to say "Oh, yes, I see them now and again" is she? If both the younger Middletons see George and Charlotte every weekend, which I doubt, it's odd that George has only ever been seen on outings with Carole and Carole and Kate, not any other Middleton, not even grandad, however close they all are.

Pippa and James are on holiday at St Barts now, doing their own thing, just as Harry does his own thing with his friends. He didn't say he never saw his niece and nephew, just that he'd never babysat them, and we don't know that the Cambridges have ever asked him to. Perhaps Kate prefers her mother to do any babysitting required.

My adult son in his 30's has never babysat his baby twin niece and nephew who are 14 months old. That doesn't mean he isn't a devoted uncle, because he is. He goes over to his sister's house and plays with them. At Anmer and KP there is a nanny, housekeeper who does child-care duties and two parents and yet Harry is selfish and old-fashioned because he hasn't baby-sat? Oh, come on!!
I agree. Babysitting is usually a need, you need someone to take care of the kid when you do something else. Otherwise you usually hang out with the parents as well. I mean, so take the kid to movies or such but that's when they're older. Since William and Kate already has a nanny and housekeeper (with some childcaring in her duties) it doesn't seem odd that they don't have need for Harry to babysit. And we've seen George with Carol and I have to say that grandparents must be WAY more usual to ask to babysit than an aunt or uncle is.
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Old 01-07-2016, 06:50 AM
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Curryong excellent post my sons and daughter all have children and they all love their nieces and nephews but they don't babysit them. That's my job 😄


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Old 01-07-2016, 06:56 AM
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Well, we won't agree, clearly. In 20 years we'll see who the Cambridge children are closer to. I say it will be Pippa and James, some of you will say it'll be Harry. I feel pretty confident in my prediction. We'll see.
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Old 01-07-2016, 07:15 AM
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Well, we won't agree, clearly. In 20 years we'll see who the Cambridge children are closer to. I say it will be Pippa and James, some of you will say it'll be Harry. I feel pretty confident in my prediction. We'll see.
At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. Its their private lives and they'll form their own relationships, in their own time and for the most part will be totally out of the public eye. We can only speculate what may be.
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Old 01-07-2016, 07:16 AM
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It sounded to me like a "normalizing" anecdote, meant to point out that they're close enough to be in and out of each other's homes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Technically, they both live in an occupied palace estate held in trust by the Queen, but not privately owned by the Royal Family. It is their "home" then only to the extent that they live there.
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Old 01-07-2016, 07:18 AM
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Curryong excellent post my sons and daughter all have children and they all love their nieces and nephews but they don't babysit them. That's my job 😄


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Princes are not supposed to be babysitters. We are talking about the Royal Family, not Mr. and Mrs. Jones.
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I'm not sure why we are speculating who is or will be closer to George and Charlotte or debating whether or not Harry could, would or should babysit his nephew and niece. It makes no sense at all and it is time to move back to topic.
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Old 01-07-2016, 07:29 AM
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At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. Its their private lives and they'll form their own relationships, in their own time and for the most part will be totally out of the public eye. We can only speculate what may be.
If "we can only speculate" about private relationships then I'll speculate that William is best friends with Charles Spencer, Prince Andrew, and Prince Edward. And that William loves Anne like a second mother and calls her "mum".


I think when royals become adults their degree of fondness for one another becomes much clearer. Maybe it's just me...

I think George/Charlotte will love Harry the same way William loves Anne/Andrew/Edward. I guess we can only speculate what that means.
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I just see two normal siblings that like to tease each other.
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Old 01-07-2016, 09:58 AM
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I just see two normal siblings that like to tease each other.
I agree. And they seemed at ease with Ant and Dec. Enough to let down their guard and compete with one another for the floor, which was nice to see. It seems natural with them and you sometimes see it come out when they are sitting in the stands of some sporting event, waiting on a balcony or at some polo match. It gets captured in some photos. But we don't usually get to hear it, where in most interviews, Harry defers a bit to William until it's Harry's turn to speak.
To me this looked like brothers bantering. Hilarious and lovely to see. But then, I'm American and a child of the Hippie era, so this would tickle me.
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