Harry and Meghan: Relationship Musings

[royal rob]

Let's face it no one is going to always like her hair the same way we all ( me included) have had moments of hating Kate's hair ...up ...down...a bit shorter ...longer ..etc etc

 

[Curryong]

Yes, if it doesn't blow in Meghan's face during Royal engagements I'll be happy! Windy days are hell for long hair.

And I too admire Harry greatly, Emme.

 

[Cocoasneeze]

day girl alessia @elizbethbennet
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Mary Greenwell (Princess Diana's make up artist) did Meghan Markle's make up for Vanity Fair

The photo shoot was also done in London. I'm pretty certain, that this interview and the prep for it, the call to VF wasn't Meghan's idea at all, and it is first step before the engagement announcement. Imo the proof is starting to collect together to support that though. Jmo

 

[jacqui24]

Let's face it no one is going to always like her hair the same way we all ( me included) have had moments of hating Kate's hair ...up ...down...a bit shorter ...longer ..etc etc

Not liking a particular hairstyle on her is hardly like saying she was a mess and her hair was messy and dirty. Then goes on to call her a snake and user among other things.

 

[Curryong]

day girl alessia �� @elizbethbennet
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Mary Greenwell (Princess Diana's make up artist) did Meghan Markle's make up for Vanity Fair

The photo shoot was also done in London. I'm pretty certain, that this interview and the prep for it, the call to VF wasn't Meghan's idea at all, and it is first step before the engagement announcement. Imo the proof is starting to collect together to support that though. Jmo

Really, Cocoa. That's very interesting that the photo shoot was in London. Was it in May?

 

[jacqui24]

Well, that wasn't the case for Margaret, Anne, Andrew, or Edward. Maybe your right that Harry will be the outlier.

Margaret was relevant for a LONG time. Also, I truly think Anne, Andrew, and Edward's personal lives would have received much more attention had the War of Wales not provide so much fodder. The newspapers didn't have time for anyone else with all of their drama. Fortunately, the Wales' sons seems to have slightly less drama in their relationship.

And we have to consider the fact that they are Diana's sons. A lot of people will always have a soft spot for them because of it. I know Harry found walking behind his mother's coffin at 12 was traumatizing, and I completely see how it would, but that picture of the Princes behind her coffin inadvertently solidified their popularity as royals.

 

[Cocoasneeze]

@Curryong

I'm not sure when, but people on twitter have recognized the bts video as London based on scenery. I'm just reading, and reporting what I find, I'm clueless to this myself.

 

[Osipi]

Wouldn’t his acknowledgement of needing professional help, and admitting as such publicly, actually point to stability?

Nothing like waking up in the morning have have a few pages of conversation to read through while sipping a first cup of coffee. While reading, I sometimes get a an inkling of what I'd post in response to some and with big thanks to Emme, I have a perfect lead in.

I have to honestly say that people who have challenges, either physically or mentally, have to be the luckiest people in the world. With challenges to meet, face and overcome, it does give a huge jump start into the work we all should do to become a stronger, healthier and a more well balanced person.

To seek help for a problem in any area is to admit that, as a person, one cannot do it alone and needs support, caring, compassion and frankly, people that will love you until you learn to love yourself. Whether it be an alcoholic working to find a rich, fulfilling life without the bottle or a woman that has been mentally and physically abused needing to feel that she is a worthwhile person and is a person totally worth loving or a someone that experiences a tragic accident that has left a person feeling as only half a person because of loss of body parts, facing challenges takes one from a world of focusing on oneself and their miseries into a world where they're not alone anymore and can find their niche in the human race.

This is what I believe has brought about such a confident, easygoing, outreaching sort of person that we see in Harry today. Its a Harry that I think a lot of people can identify with. Its also occurred to me that all the possible challenges that people could face actually are a focus of endeavors by members of the BRF today to bring awareness and promote that the help *is* out there. Harry, I think recognizes this sort of a person in his Meghan because the both of them have had issues and challenges they had to meet head on and grow from. Like begets like and both Harry and Meghan have a desire to present areas of challenge and make a difference because they've faced them themselves at one time or another.

Now, about the disheveled hair, ball gown and the bare feet. Professional photographers doing photo shoots aren't usually just snapping pictures for the sake of snapping pictures but in most cases, artists in their own right. Its occurred to me that underlining this photo, it has a kind of a Cinderella undertone to it. Perhaps capturing that Meghan, with a fairy godmother (who of course is missing from the scene - the photographer) where things are between the scullery maid in the kitchen and the perfectly dressed woman that met her prince at the ball. Meghan is at the crossroads between her acting career and marrying her prince. Life changes and transformation. The more I think about it, that photographer is a genius.

Now I need another cup of coffee.


Just an observation.

 

[jacqui24]

Really, Cocoa. That's very interesting that the photo shoot was in London. Was it in May?

Peter Lindbergh confirmed in was London, but he listed it as London 2017. So no one knows when it actually took place. Mary confirmed she did makeup as well but no date.

This makes it more interesting, doesn't it?

 

[Tianna]

@curryong

I'm not sure when, but people on twitter have recognized the bts video as London based on scenery. I'm just reading, and reporting what I find, I'm clueless to this myself.

Actually, the photographer Peter Lindbergh tagged all of the pics from the article #London 2017 on his twitter page.

 

[W.Y.CII]

Pretty sure Henry would remain as first-tier royal until George is in his 30s/becomes PoW and having similar status as Wessex couple in future. Being first-tier or not depends on how many major duties you take up rather than how many spotlight you get.

 

[Curryong]

Thank you Jacqui and Tianna.

Did the last few pages here wake you up, Osipi.

 

[royal rob]

Not liking a particular hairstyle on her is hardly like saying she was a mess and her hair was messy and dirty. Then goes on to call her a snake and user among other things.

Mmm not sure why you think I called her a snake I was making a joke about us having different ideas of Kate's hair. I think you have mixed me up with other posters

 

[jacqui24]

Mmm not sure why you think I called her a snake I was making a joke about us having different ideas of Kate's hair. I think you have mixed me up with other posters

I didn't say you did, but the poster who first had issues with her hair did. Hence the messy and dirty comment as well.

BTW, my point was actually to point out the difference between what you said and what others took issues with. I had no problem with what you said about her hair.

 

[Skippy]

Responsible for Meghan's hair was David Babaii, so any complaints may be sent to him.

As for that poster using the word 'snake' (and adding Princess Sofia of Sweden into the mix), I guess that she is just from the old school.
They have very fixed and firm views on what they think is appropriate for royal standards.

Perhaps Harry should just have gotten himself a nice, wild English Rose? Then those would say "yes, she will know how the BRF work" and the likes.

 

[M. Payton]

I think she is now looking for greener pastures then Reitman and website, this exposure can bring her more riches then then the low cost retail line, and yes, I don't like her, I don't trust her, I don't believe that she really loves Harry, she is in it for fame and fortune. He is a fool to get involved with her, it may be that she is the best he can get, in that case I wish him the best of luck, I just hate seeing him used that way, honestly he looks like a little lost boy who is so hungry for love that he will trust a snake. Prince Carl Philip and Sofia of Sweden come to mind. I was hoping for so much better for Harry.

j
I hope you can prove yr statement with *Facts* and not assumptions of this young lady. You seem to have known Harry and have more insight into his character then MM or his family. And what a horrible thing to say that MM is a snake.......a bit jealous here are we?

 

[Osipi]

Actually, according to TRF rules, all statements made should be able to be backed up with credible sources. I'll join you in asking zaika what her source are for her statements. Its one thing to issue a statement about a person or event that can be backed up by fact and another thing to issue statements that defame, denigrate or disrespect a person or event being discussed.

Its all in the TRF rules.

 

[AlowVera]

day girl alessia �� @elizbethbennet
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Mary Greenwell (Princess Diana's make up artist) did Meghan Markle's make up for Vanity Fair

The photo shoot was also done in London. I'm pretty certain, that this interview and the prep for it, the call to VF wasn't Meghan's idea at all, and it is first step before the engagement announcement. Imo the proof is starting to collect together to support that though. Jmo

That is the kicker! This was a totally sanctioned interview, its their way of setting the narrative especially after the way the tabloids trashed her and her family.

 

[duchessrachel]

Why should she have to give up her career and life though? She should be able to continue to act, if that is what she wants to do.

The expectation that a woman who marries has to give up their life for their royal spouse while a man marrying a royal is able to continue with his previous occupation is plainly sexist and should be unacceptable in this day and age.

She also shouldn't have to give up her nationality and be forced to more to the UK. That should be a decision made between the two of them based on what both of them want to do not on who is family is.

Sure if she wants to give up everything she has personally built for a life of being a low-level royal who has to give way to a large number of people who have done nothing much other than be born to the right parents that is fine but if she wants to continue with the life she has built for herself she should be able to do that as well.

The reason I think she will give that up is because of Sophie and Edward. Sophie tried to continue working and that did not work out, and she was not famous like Meghan. I think the Royal Family would find it too distracting, but that is just my opinion.

 

[Osipi]

With being a TV actress, there is always the element of commercialism. No TV show usually comes without commercials. Married into the BRF and continuing to act in a commercialized environment could be considered a conflict of interest. Kind of like the show would have to run a disclaimer that "This show is not sponsored and/or endorsed by the British Royal Family".

 

[Empress Merel]

Not to mention if she puts in a bad performance. Any project that bombs, will be blamed on her. And there won´t be many studios willing to pay for an average talented actress, because her salary demands would no doubt rise after getting married.

She ain´t no Grace Kelly and Grace had to give it up too. Different times yes, but it would be too tricky.

 

[Pranter]

I've said this before...there's no way she can continue working as an actress (or any job really) if she marries Harry. She will have a new job working for the family and that really does seem to fall into her area of interest.


LaRae

 

[Cocoasneeze]

I thinking it's not a something huge for her to give up at this point of her life. Suits is on its last leg, this being maybe the last season, or the next one being the last. It had a good run, but it's going to end anyway. I highly doubt she'd make it big on another show like this. She might look at this as another adventure for her, with the man she loves and who loves her. It also opens all other kinds of doors for her, in the charity front, and she seems to love that.

 

[Countessmeout]

Its not like she is being asked to give up her career to be a housewife and stay at home mom. Its a change in career. You don't simply get a husband, when you marry a senior royal, you get a career with it.

For royal brides, those old enough at least that they started their adult lives, they have to decide whether the sacrifice is worth it. For some, their careers may be something that they don't wish to sacrifice. Building a career, following your dreams, is important to many women. Yes, there are many rewarding things to being a royal, but they might not be as fulfilling for some women. Would a doctor who went through years of med school, and used to saving lives, be satisfied cutting ribbons at hospitals and attending parties? They likely do this in their spare time anyways. Senior royals face this, all of them, when finding a spouse. They need to find someone who loves them enough that they aren't only willing to give up their privacy, but also up their personal goals. At least if you marry someone further down the line like a kent, or even the York girls, you can keep your career while still being involved in some royal aspects. Perhaps why the kents and gloucesters have career professionals among their in laws.

Meghan has shown before Harry that charity is a huge part of her focus. Her interest and passion working with the UN and with world vision are signs. While she may miss acting if they wed, she isn't giving up her entire life.

I think Meghan if she weds will be a bit more ready to jump right in. I don't think it will take her a year to decide on what areas she wants to focus. She doesn't IMO seem the type who will be happy to sit by and be part time even if and when kids come into the picture. Good thing Harry is at a stage where he is a full time or transitioning into it royal. So his wife can do the same.

 

[Empress Merel]

I don't think Meghan will need much transitioning either. The only thing she might need a little time with is etiquette. Don't doubt she is going to be extremely capable in giving speeches right off the bat.

 

[Pranter]

If they are true to form (based on their desire to have children in various interviews) I expect she will be pregnant within the first year after they marry. She'll spend the first year learning the ropes as well.


LaRae

 

[Countessmeout]

If they are true to form (based on their desire to have children in various interviews) I expect she will be pregnant within the first year after they marry. She'll spend the first year learning the ropes as well.


LaRae

True. Like any new job, there is transition and learning the ropes. But there are different ways of doing so. IMO I think we will see her learning the ropes the more hands on way. Could be wrong though.

And unless like her possible sister in law, she suffers from HG, pregnancy should not limit any duties. Certainly hasn't with other royals.

 

[duchessrachel]

I don't believe that Meghan's hair was dirty. As for tousled hair, a ballroom gown and bare feet, that was probably a suggestion of the director of the VF shoot as something different, a bit of fun. What would have suited? Long white gloves, 1950s lipstick, tightly permed hair, a ballroom location...?
I thought Meghan looked lovely, myself.

Yes, if Meghan had done the ballroom gown, long white gloves, lipstick, etc. she would have been accused of trying to look like a Royal, when she is not yet. She can't win with the people who disapprove of her, no matter what she does. For me, I am going to be smiling like a Cheshire cat when I see her coming down the aisle to marry Harry.

 

[Pranter]

True. Like any new job, there is transition and learning the ropes. But there are different ways of doing so. IMO I think we will see her learning the ropes the more hands on way. Could be wrong though.

And unless like her possible sister in law, she suffers from HG, pregnancy should not limit any duties. Certainly hasn't with other royals.

Yes it's a learning by doing type of job....if she become pregnant then work will be adjusted to her health needs.


LaRae

 

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Much factual-errors and chaos in this so-called ''Harry and Meghan: Relationship Musings'' thread. Perhaps the mods can change the name to ''All things Harry and Meghan'' thread? (And no, it was not seriously meant)

I have (as most of you know) issues with Harry's interviews etc, but I can be objective, and here is some important facts from me to things that have been discussed here in recent days:

Minor royals:

1. Harry as the son of the heir/King isn't or will never be a low-level or co-called minor royal.

2. Beatrice, Eugenie, the Gloucesters and the Kents are the ones that belong in the so-called minor royals category.

3. Will Harry be upstaged by George and Charlotte in about 20 years time? Yes, he will, and I don't think he'll have any problems with that.

Dianas sons:

1. Most people don't have a soft spot for William and Harry because they are Diana's sons.

2. William has been (unfairly) criticized as never before (even more than Charles) during the last 4 years, and has been called boring, uncharacteristic, lazy, workshy and an insult to the Queen's legacy. He was also unfairly criticized for the Heads Together campaign.

3. Diana wasn't even (according to polls) one of the most admired/popular persons in UK while she was alive, and both William and Harry are in fact more popular than what Diana was. The same goes for Charles before he got married.

Meghan:

Why should she have to give up her career and life though? She should be able to continue to act, if that is what she wants to do.

The expectation that a woman who marries has to give up their life for their royal spouse while a man marrying a royal is able to continue with his previous occupation is plainly sexist and should be unacceptable in this day and age.

She also shouldn't have to give up her nationality and be forced to more to the UK. That should be a decision made between the two of them based on what both of them want to do not on who is family is.

Sure if she wants to give up everything she has personally built for a life of being a low-level royal who has to give way to a large number of people who have done nothing much other than be born to the right parents that is fine but if she wants to continue with the life she has built for herself she should be able to do that as well.

As I said above, Harry is not a low-level royal. And yes, she is going to give up her acting career, but what does she get instead?

1. She's going to be married to the grandson of QEII: the head of state of 16 countries, the figurehead of 2 billion people, the most beloved, popular, iconic and most famous person in the world.

2. She's going to be HRH the Duchess of something.

3. She's going to live a life in luxury.

4. She's going to meet some very interesting people.

5. And she's going to get opportunities that not even A-list actors get.

So she doesn't sacrifice that much, does she?