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Old 10-06-2017, 01:28 PM
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Yeah, I'm just not seeing it.

Lets say Meghan moves to London in December or even January. That leaves 8/9 months where she is restricted in where she can go, what she can do, all while Harry will be out and about doing engagements and such. That'll likely result in a lot of awkwardness and loneliness for a woman who will have given up everything to move to another country. At least if they are engaged at the start, she will be able to play a more active role, instead waiting around until the engagement is announced and then eventually the wedding. As far as I can see, there is very little incentive for her to uproot her life without an official engagement.
I'm not sure where the 8/9 months of waiting around if the wedding is in October comes from. She'll start attending engagements before the wedding, and the wedding planning would be going full speed head. Keep in mind that it's only 2-3 months than prior to summer. Are you also saying she'll be sitting around for those months? I highly doubt she'd be sitting around all alone with nothing to do in either case.

The convincing argument is that Meghan has to have time to take care of things before they can announce, and the calendar is pretty packed for April, May, June, and most of July around. April 1 is Lent, so that's out. Then if Kate is due in late April/early May, they probably wouldn't have it then because it's just so close to the due date that you never know and then she'll have to recover. June has Trooping and Garter ceremony, and then the Queen leaves for Balmoral in July. Somewhere in there, you also have to factor in Royal Ascot. The staff will be stretched pretty thin if they have to add a wedding in there. I think they can definitely do August or September, but the Queen is at Balmoral. I just can't see a wedding for Harry to be anywhere else other than WA or St. George at the minimum. Even if it's at St. George, it won't be like wedding for Peter Phillips. There is more planning involved because Harry is a full time working royal and keeps a much higher profile.
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Old 10-06-2017, 01:33 PM
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If she moves without an announcement it will come soon after I'm thinking. They already know what the plan is on that.


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Old 10-06-2017, 02:07 PM
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I'm not sure where the 8/9 months of waiting around if the wedding is in October comes from. She'll start attending engagements before the wedding, and the wedding planning would be going full speed head. Keep in mind that it's only 2-3 months than prior to summer. Are you also saying she'll be sitting around for those months?I highly doubt she'd be sitting around all alone with nothing to do in either case.

The convincing argument is that Meghan has to have time to take care of things before they can announce, and the calendar is pretty packed for April, May, June, and most of July around. April 1 is Lent, so that's out. Then if Kate is due in late April/early May, they probably wouldn't have it then because it's just so close to the due date that you never know and then she'll have to recover. June has Trooping and Garter ceremony, and then the Queen leaves for Balmoral in July. Somewhere in there, you also have to factor in Royal Ascot. The staff will be stretched pretty thin if they have to add a wedding in there. I think they can definitely do August or September, but the Queen is at Balmoral. I just can't see a wedding for Harry to be anywhere else other than WA or St. George at the minimum. Even if it's at St. George, it won't be like wedding for Mark Phillips. There is more planning involved because Harry is a full time working royal and keeps a much higher profile.
No, I'm saying instead of spending 2-3 months at the start being restricted in what she can do as a girlfriend, she can play a more active role as a fiancee.You argue that she has to have time to take care of things, as if that will take months and she will be so overwhelmed that she can't do anything else? Also, there are not many engagements she can attend pre-marriage, so I'm not seeing the benefits of delaying until Oct/Nov.

The calendar is not packed in either April, May or July. If you want to argue that April/May is out because of Kate's pregnancy, fine. That still leaves early/mid-July. A wedding could most certainly happen before the Queen leaves for Balmoral.
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:18 PM
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I don't know why people are saying that June is not a possibility for a wedding as there are too many things happening. Sophie and Edward married in June the week after Trooping the Colour, Order of the Garter and Ascot...the Queen had no issue with their wedding date choice or the month so I can't see her having a problem with it now.
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:20 PM
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Yeah they can marry in June easily. They can marry in May easily ...April might be tricky due to the Cambridge baby.


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Old 10-06-2017, 02:22 PM
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I simply don't see her moving to UK without being engaged and a wedding date set. I think, that once she moves to UK, soon after they'll announce their engagement, and a few weeks from that a wedding date will be announced. I'm one of those, who thinks, that they're actually engaged already. This is not just a simple, everyday normal relationship, with an early engagement announcement, it'll open so many doors for Meghan, whereas there'd be loads of restrictions without an official engagement announcement. We saw it at the IG games. I bet it would've been much easier, comfortable and all around normal, had Meghan been able to sit with Harry. If she's 'just' a girlfriend, these restrictions would happen all the time.
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:24 PM
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No, I'm saying instead of spending 2-3 months at the start being restricted in what she can do as a girlfriend, she can play a more active role as a fiancee.You argue that she has have time to take care of things, as if that will take months and she will be so overwhelmed that she can't do anything else? Also, there are not many engagements she can attend pre-marriage, so I'm not seeing the benefits of delaying until Oct/Nov.

The calendar is not packed in either April, May or July. If you want to argue that April/May is out because of Kate's pregnancy, fine. That still leaves early/mid-July. A wedding could most certainly happen before the Queen leaves for Balmoral.
The 5th-in-line's Christening will also happen in early/mid July before The Queen leaves for Balmoral. I'm not sure The Queen will want these two religious ceremonies bunched together, and overshadowing each other. I think at least a 3 week buffer between the two is preferable. It'll be a very tight squeeze to fit in everything.
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:29 PM
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I simply don't see her moving to UK without being engaged and a wedding date set. I think, that once she moves to UK, soon after they'll announce their engagement, and a few weeks from that a wedding date will be announced. I'm one of those, who thinks, that they're actually engaged already. This is not just a simple, everyday normal relationship, with an early engagement announcement, it'll open so many doors for Meghan, whereas there'd be loads of restrictions without an official engagement announcement. We saw it at the IG games. I bet it would've been much easier, comfortable and all around normal, had Meghan been able to sit with Harry. If she's 'just' a girlfriend, these restrictions would happen all the time.

I think they have come to the decision that yes they are getting married ...whatever someone wants to call it. I don't know if he has formally proposed or not but they have a plan in place.


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Old 10-06-2017, 02:35 PM
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I don't know why people are saying that June is not a possibility for a wedding as there are too many things happening. Sophie and Edward married in June the week after Trooping the Colour, Order of the Garter and Ascot...the Queen had no issue with their wedding date choice or the month so I can't see her having a problem with it now.
I mostly have doubts in relation to the venue. For instance, if Edward and Sophie were married at WA, would they have had a June wedding? If Harry and Meghan were married at St George's then yeah, it seems June wouldn't be out of the question.
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:42 PM
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No, I'm saying instead of spending 2-3 months at the start being restricted in what she can do as a girlfriend, she can play a more active role as a fiancee.You argue that she has to have time to take care of things, as if that will take months and she will be so overwhelmed that she can't do anything else? Also, there are not many engagements she can attend pre-marriage, so I'm not seeing the benefits of delaying until Oct/Nov.

The calendar is not packed in either April, May or July. If you want to argue that April/May is out because of Kate's pregnancy, fine. That still leaves early/mid-July. A wedding could most certainly happen before the Queen leaves for Balmoral.
So you think all the princess lessons are just a walk in the park? In her case, they'll probably have to add some historic lessons in there for good measures since it's not taught as much in the US school systems. Believe it or not, those behind the scenes stuff do take a long time. Kate had a much longer period to adjust and absorb all of it. Plus, I'm sure her citizenship will be expedited, but there are probably still steps to go through and will take a little bit of time there.
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:53 PM
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You think she's going to learn it all in matter of months? No, either way, she's going to be learning "on the job" presumably even beyond her first year of marriage. In that sense, I don't think delaying a few months will make that much of a difference.

And as has been stated, I'm sure there are some things that are already in motion, including her visa/citizenship.
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:53 PM
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I mostly have doubts in relation to the venue. For instance, if Edward and Sophie were married at WA, would they have had a June wedding? If Harry and Meghan were married at St George's then yeah, it seems June wouldn't be out of the question.
I agree. I can't think of a large London royal wedding that has happened in June. At least not amongst the descendants of George V and Mary.

I suppose next year could be an exception as Trooping is happening relatively early in the month, June 9th. If they got married June 30th, 3 weeks later, it might be feasible, but even then I'm dubious.
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Old 10-06-2017, 02:56 PM
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Some folks are pretty knowledgeable on their own because they study various things...history is something some folks do on their own too. So we really don't know Meghan's knowledge of British history or the BRF ..although I'd say she's been studying up on the BRF and I'm sure Harry and she have talked about the various items.

She's going to have time after they marry too....I would imagine she will get a grace period just as Kate did. I doubt they will be expected to marry and hit the ground running in the manner his parents did.



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Old 10-06-2017, 03:04 PM
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You think she's going to learn it all in matter of months? No, either way, she's going to be learning "on the job" presumably even beyond her first year of marriage. In that sense, I don't think delaying a few months will make that much of a difference.

And as has been stated, I'm sure there are some things that are already in motion, including her visa/citizenship.
Is she going to learn everything in matter of months? No. Should all the important stuff before covered though? Yes.

Nothing is going to be put in motion until they are officially engaged. And I just don't buy that they are already officially engaged. Hence, I think there'll be longer time in between when they actually get engaged to an announcement. And like someone has already said, it's unlikely the actually planning would be starting until after an official announcement to prevent leaking.
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Old 10-06-2017, 03:16 PM
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I don't think anyone here is claiming they are officially engaged. You can call it whatever...but I think what most people believe is that they have come to an understanding...they have a plan to marry. Has he asked her formally? No one knows.

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Old 10-06-2017, 03:19 PM
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I don't think anyone here is claiming they are officially engaged. You can call it whatever...but I think what most people believe is that they have come to an understanding...they have a plan to marry. Has he asked her formally? No one knows.

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There has been plenty comments from posters that said they believe they are officially engaged and thus paperwork have started. Then using that as a basis that the announcement can be made soon after Suits is done. My point is that nothing would be put in motion in terms of her citizenship until they are engaged regardless of what their understanding regarding the direction of relationship.
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Old 10-06-2017, 03:26 PM
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Some folks are pretty knowledgeable on their own because they study various things...history is something some folks do on their own too. So we really don't know Meghan's knowledge of British history or the BRF ..although I'd say she's been studying up on the BRF and I'm sure Harry and she have talked about the various items.

She's going to have time after they marry too....I would imagine she will get a grace period just as Kate did. I doubt they will be expected to marry and hit the ground running in the manner his parents did.



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Diana didn't hit the ground running. She also had a grace period. If you look at the Diana's royal engagements thread, they have these listed.

1981

February, 24 : Announcement of the engagement
February, 27 : Visit to Cheltenham

March, 09 : Reception to raise funds for the Royal Opera House
March, 13 : Grand Military Gold Cup

May : Visit to Tetbury

June, 06 : Polo Match
June, 10 : Banquet for the King of Saudi-Arabia
June 13 : Trooping the Colour
June 15 : Order of Garter
June, 28 : Polo Match

July, 08 : Polo Match
July, 11 : Polo Match
July, 12 : Polo Match
July, 24 : Premiere "For Your Eyes Only"
July, 25 : Polo Match at Tidworth
July, 26 : Polo Match at Smith's Lawn
July, 29 : Wedding

November, 04 : Visit to Splenders of the Gonzagas Exhibition
November, 12 : Visit to Chesterfield

1982

March, 04 : Night of the Knights
March, 18 : Cheltenham Races
March, 29 : Visit to Leeds

April, 03: Grand National Horse Races

May, 02 : Polo Match
May, 15 : Polo Match
May, 22 : Polo Match
May, 30 : Polo Match

June, 04 : Polo Match
June, 06 : Polo Match
June, 12 : Trooping the Colour
June, 13 : Polo Match
June, 15 : Polo Match
June, 21 : Birth of Prince William
June, 22 : Leaving the hospital with William

August, 04 : Christening of Prince William

September, 04 : Braemar Games

November, 18 : Banquet for statevisit of Queen Beatrix and Prince Claus of the Netherlands

December, 08 : Visit to the opera


So not much at all. Especially, since I doubt most of those polo matches actually counted in an official capacity. Meghan is not a future Queen so she'll have even less expectations. If she spends the first few years of her marriage focused on starting a family, with the occasional royal duty, then she'll be falling in line with those before her.
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Old 10-06-2017, 03:32 PM
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I agree. I can't think of a large London royal wedding that has happened in June. At least not amongst the descendants of George V and Mary.

I suppose next year could be an exception as Trooping is happening relatively early in the month, June 9th. If they got married June 30th, 3 weeks later, it might be feasible, but even then I'm dubious.
We will see. I honestly hesitate to rule anything out, especially given the couple we're talking about. Fortunately, I do think the picture will be clearer come January, at the latest.

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Is she going to learn everything in matter of months? No. Should all the important stuff before covered though? Yes.

Nothing is going to be put in motion until they are officially engaged. And I just don't buy that they are already officially engaged. Hence, I think there'll be longer time in between when they actually get engaged to an announcement. And like someone has already said, it's unlikely the actually planning would be starting until after an official announcement to prevent leaking.
Eh. I can believe they are engaged. But even if they aren't, I doubt they aren't already planning out the necessary steps and preparing Meghan for what she has to do and expect in making the move to London. That's what I mean by putting things in motion. Fear of leaking won't stop planning, especially for someone who has to make a move from one country to another.

I agree that all the important stuff should be covered and I see no reason why she wouldn't be able to balance that with her transition to London.
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There is NO need for her to learn/know Constitutional stuff [since she is never going to be other than a peripheral figure] ,unlike Catherine. Obviously she needs to know the boundaries of what she may, and may not say and do, precedence, SOME history and details of British mores and manners.
Six months of guidance from Prince Harry and whichever Courtier assigned to the task should be sufficient.
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There has been plenty comments from posters that said they believe they are officially engaged and thus paperwork have started. Then using that as a basis that the announcement can be made soon after Suits is done. My point is that nothing would be put in motion in terms of her citizenship until they are engaged regardless of what their understanding regarding the direction of relationship.
I just don't recall seeing anyone say they are officially engaged. Just because they have started the paperwork doesn't mean he's gone down on the knee yet. Much like Kate and William..they had discussed it and knew they were going to marry. She just didn't know exactly when he was proposing.

Personally I think they have an agreement they are going to marry. I expect an official announcement anytime from Dec thru Feb.

That's how I view it.


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