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Old 10-24-2017, 02:11 AM
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All we have as far as information on this couple is what they've allowed us to know and see and that is very little. We *know* the couple are in love and that this is their time. Meghan has told us so. That's it in a nutshell. Everything else is supposition and musings and putting pieces of a jigsaw puzzle together to form a big picture and we don't even have all the pieces of that puzzle yet.

He may have proposed over coffee one morning months ago and put a ring in her danish and they're just keeping it to themselves and close friends and family. They may be keeping it close to the vest until they absolutely cannot get away with hiding it from the public. We know Will proposed in Africa to Kate but they've never given any details on the proposal and I don't expect it to be any different with Harry. However they decide that its to be that they marry and go through life together is between the two of them.

We just have to be patient and wait and see what comes next. They definitely know what is going on but they're not telling us. They don't feel the need to.
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Old 10-24-2017, 11:06 AM
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The meeting with the Queen, if it happened as speculated, is a mere formality. The Queen is not going to say no to Harry's request without some serious issue involved. Porn star, criminal etc So Harry could of already proposed back in Africa ..or he might wait until later, like another trip after Christmas.


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I believe they were already engaged at the time they attended the Invictus Games. They just seemed very comfortable with each other and her mother was there. I think in a way it was Harry presenting his future mother-in-law as well as him and Meghan as a couple.

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I never got that vibe from Cressida that the relationship was anything more than friends with benefits kind of thing. It just never came across as being a mature love match from either one of them. It was what it was and Harry had someone to go around with when he was home in the UK. Harry was also actively serving in the Army at that point so I doubt he was really serious about anyone at that time.
I agree. I never thought the relationship with Cressida was serious. She always seemed uncomfortable to me. Harry never had the glow about him that he has now.

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They are dating already nearly one and a half year; his relationship with Cressida lasted 23 months and ended in April 2014 - Cressida just turned 25 then and maybe she didn't feel mature enough to start a family? Meghan is much older and feels as such and Harry too: he is three years older now and maturer, and probably - when he observes happy in his fatherhood William - he wants more and more to become a father himself.
I agree. He has also gotten help with his grief and anger over his mother's death, which I am sure has gone a long way in his outlook and happiness.
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Old 10-24-2017, 11:30 AM
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Yes, but some people make it sound like Harry and Meghan have planed the wedding and their future lives to the tiniest detail and they still expect him to ‘’officially propose’’ at some future date.

Personally, I think there are two equally probable options:
1. He’s proposed and now they’re just planning the timeline of how and when things will be made public.
2. There is no engagement yet, but they have agreed that they’re serious and that Meghan will move to the UK after she finishes filming and then they’ll discuss and plan what happens next.
Announcing an engagement and propsing afterwards is illogical (although I know of people who did so, guess the meaning of an engagement wasn't clear to them). However, I do think there are options in between 1 and 2. They seem to have the understanding that they hope to get married some time next year (I suppose) and that Meghan will move to the UK some time after Suits ends filming (it might already be set in stone or the date might depend on the engagement (announcement)). I don't think the wedding itself has been planned yet, that will start after the proposal = engagement. It is mainly her international move that might require going a little ahead of what they would normally start planning before the proposal.
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Old 10-24-2017, 01:00 PM
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I come from a culture that doesn’t do proposals, so I’m really curious. Do people actually do this in the UK/US?
You are in a serious relationship, say ‘’I love you’’, move in together, plan when you’re announcing your engagement, plan when you’ll get married, pick a church and wedding venue and THEN the guy proposes? Sorry, but this seems totally ludicrous to me. What’s the point of a proposal by this point? Is it to have bragging rights with your friends or something? I mean, there’s no romance to it, so I can’t see what a woman would get out of it.
Speaking from my own experience, my now-husband and I had rather organically agreed over the course of many conversations that marriage was inevitable and we talked about the real practicalities of a wedding for months before he formally proposed. The proposal was more important to him than to me, to be honest. He wanted a specific moment to point to and say "that's when we became official." He wanted to craft a special, romantic experience for us. But in practical terms, that also marked the moment when our eventual marriage went from something that we talked a lot about when we were alone but largely kept to ourselves and instead became a public thing that was announced to our family, etc. It also marked the beginning of formally planning in very concrete ways (setting a date, shopping for dresses, etc. as opposed to our earlier phase of talking frankly about our likes and dislikes but not yet making definite plans).

I would imagine a royal engagement, especially in this day and age, essentially consists of several phases. The couple has to decide in the usual way that they really are interested in a personal life partnership, of course. For most of us that would be enough to call a normal couple "engaged." But then they have to consider in a very real and specific way what that means in terms of the role the potential spouse might play and whether that is a job that he or she is truly willing to take on. They've got to float trial balloons within the family to see if the relationship will really be accepted. If they're smart, they probably look into what will and won't be their own prerogative regarding a wedding and living quarters and go ahead and figure out what they want so they can be ready to hit the ground running once official conversations with court employees begin to create the concrete plans. And then, only after all of those things are sorted out, they are ready for an official, public engagement.

Harry and Meghan certainly act as though they are well past the first phase. The questions are (1) how far along they are in the middle stages that could lead to an official engagement--or could lead them to decide that personal attraction isn't enough to make a marriage truly practical--and (2) whether their preference is to have a formal proposal mark the beginning of that public phase or if it came at the start of the process so they could let it be their own, private thing for a while. Time will tell about the first. We may never know the answer to the second, and that's ok (if potentially disappointing).

There is living precedent for a quiet engagement of some length. Prince Philip proposed and Elizabeth accepted before they talked to her parents about it, then the engagement was kept secret for almost a year. The time between the announcement and the wedding was just a few months, but that was only the last, public phase of the process.
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Old 10-24-2017, 06:03 PM
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I think the decision to marry was made before Meghan shut down her blog and her Reitman's contract. No self supporting woman would cut her income without being sure.
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Old 10-24-2017, 06:23 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me at all that they were talking about marriage within 3 to 6 months of meeting/dating.


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Old 10-24-2017, 06:24 PM
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I have to agree with you. By the time Meghan started closing things and withdrawing from lucrative projects, Harry and Meghan most likely will have reached the point where whatever they'd do, it would be in their best interest heading towards a life together.

Even though we've been told (and shown by essays and reports) that Meghan has been quite outspoken on issues in the past, since this relationship became serious, although she's kept up with her UN work, she has significantly steered clear of anything that might be considered controversial or political. This all fits in with her needing to adapt to what is expected of those close to the British royal family.

As far as restrictions for a royal girlfriend, there aren't any that I'm aware of. As far as restrictions for a royal girlfriend heading to marry and become a part of the British royal family, there are several and a lot of the things that Meghan has done and not done point to the latter.
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Old 10-24-2017, 06:35 PM
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Everyone has to remember too she is basically changing jobs. I've seen folks comment about her having to give things up...well yes by her own choice however this is common in relationships/marriages when one person lives in X city and the other lives in Y city (even within the same state).

Reality is she has few years left as an actress. She's talked about (links posted here previously) working in order to fund/support her charity work. Marrying Harry gives her the biggest platform for doing charitable works. She's talked in the past (links posted here previously) before Harry about realizing she would have to adjust/change her life to work for a family situation.

They've been talking about how all this could/would work for months now. It's pretty much figured out. Now we wait for the implementation of it.



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Old 10-24-2017, 06:50 PM
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I have to agree with all of this. Marrying into the BRF is a job. At least marrying someone as high profile as Harry is. And as has been seen Meghan is a very, smart, capable woman. She considers herself a feminist. She would not have taken the steps of closing down the very lucrative streams of income and public exposure for herself, without an understanding of what she would be replacing it with. To think of it in purely career terms, you never leave a job, without having another job to go to. I believe she and Harry have had discussions about what their life would look like and specifically what her role would look like. And once she was comfortable with that she was ready to move forward. And I don't blame her one bit. It's what most smart, self sufficient women would do. I don't think she probably sees it as her giving up here career, as opposed to changing careers.

Not to mention she has continued to fulfill her already established obligations, which I think speaks to her loyalty and work ethic.

I don't mean to make it sound like a business transaction (I'm a hopeless romantic!) But on some levels it is. I think for them the feelings were the easy part. They probably knew how they felt pretty early on. It's the logistics that have taken some time. They would for any long distance couple. Then add actresses/American and royal to that, and well, there is a lot to work through.

People keep trying to compare Meghan and this relationship to other BRF relationships, but there hasn't really been a royal girlfriend like her. Most of them did not necessarily have a career or other outside obligations that needed to be navigated. Well Sophie did, but she wasn't a public person at the time, so it was a little easier.( I was always said she wasn't able to continue her PR career, but I get why it didn't work. I still think she bring value to the BRF having had a career and run her own company.)
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Old 10-24-2017, 07:18 PM
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I completely agree that Meghan and Harry had some kind of understanding before she ended her Reitman's contract and before she shut down The Tig. I also think they planned the VF article along with the BRF. There is no way any self respecting feminist would a) shut down her streams of income and b) put herself "out there" like she did in the VF article without having an understanding of what she'd be replacing those things with.

And I know others have pointed out that Meghan would have to stop being outspoken, etc.. and that she's an actress and she'd have to deny individualism for "The Firm"... but I think many don't quite understand the acting profession.

There are plenty of times when actresses have to put on a "persona" in real life - what we see of them is often carefully constructed. Entertainers are similar - Whitney Houston comes to mind. So does Beyonce. Anne Hathaway. And the list goes on. Actors often have to present two faces to the world and many times they have to swallow their real thoughts in service of the role they are currently playing. Meaning - you can't give away spoilers in interviews - as much as you'd like to. And often, studios want you to stay away from controversial topics to protect themselves and their profits.

Being in the BRF is another role - another job. It's just lifetime. And most of the duties include charity work that Meghan already does (she's had more experience doing that than either Diana or Catherine had before they married into the BRF). The other duties involve public speaking and being able to influence via public speaking. Meghan has had that nailed with her UN work for a long time. Even her bachelor's degree at Northwestern set her up perfectly for "Duchess" work.

And honestly, she's been putting on a clinic lately for how to stay under the radar and not be made a fuss over. The VF article was the only one she did in about a year - which is amazing for an actress.

To posit that she cannot continue to do such once this becomes her REAL job when she marries Harry - just seems like it's based on supposition rather than on the actual evidence in front of us showing that she is already doing this.

She's gonna be fine.

She'll probably start a trend of royal-life seeking girls going to Northwestern to major in her same major trying to become royal themselves, lol.
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Old 10-24-2017, 07:27 PM
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People keep trying to compare Meghan and this relationship to other BRF relationships, but there hasn't really been a royal girlfriend like her. Most of them did not necessarily have a career or other outside obligations that needed to be navigated. Well Sophie did, but she wasn't a public person at the time, so it was a little easier.
Sophie - when she married Edward - hadn't planned on being a full time royal - she thought she was going to keep running her business and not have to be in the firm, really.

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Honestly - I think the women who have worked before becoming royalty are turning out to be the best in terms of simply getting things done. Sophie is considered a favorite of the Queen because she has applied her work ethic and skills directly to her job and she's kicking @ss at it. Did Camilla work before she married into the BRF? Because she's apparently doing a great job as well. Maybe the more established you are as a career woman, the more capable you are at managing your patronages and charities and getting ish done. I think Meghan will be right in the mix, killing it a la Sophie.
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Old 10-24-2017, 07:54 PM
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Sophie - when she married Edward - hadn't planned on being a full time royal - she thought she was going to keep running her business and not have to be in the firm, really.



Honestly - I think the women who have worked before becoming royalty are turning out to be the best in terms of simply getting things done. Sophie is considered a favorite of the Queen because she has applied her work ethic and skills directly to her job and she's kicking @ss at it. Did Camilla work before she married into the BRF? Because she's apparently doing a great job as well. Maybe the more established you are as a career woman, the more capable you are at managing your patronages and charities and getting ish done. I think Meghan will be right in the mix, killing it a la Sophie.
Agreed. There is something to be said for having had responsibilities. Having to adhere to a schedule, have people depending on you to show up, on time and prepared. Having to answer to a boss. Which is why I agree Meghan will be fine. The girl knows how to hustle! She's had to do less than glamorous jobs to pay the bills. Apparently she used to free freelance as a calligrapher to make extra money. Maybe she and Sophie will hit it off!

As for Camilla, I don't believe she has ever really worked. But apparently she was a pretty hands on mom and pretty down to earth. Some people just have a strong work ethic no matter what they are doing.
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Old 10-24-2017, 07:58 PM
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Honestly - I think the women who have worked before becoming royalty are turning out to be the best in terms of simply getting things done. Sophie is considered a favorite of the Queen because she has applied her work ethic and skills directly to her job and she's kicking @ss at it. Did Camilla work before she married into the BRF? Because she's apparently doing a great job as well. Maybe the more established you are as a career woman, the more capable you are at managing your patronages and charities and getting ish done. I think Meghan will be right in the mix, killing it a la Sophie.
Career or not, it does seem like spouses who've had to work towards goals and get things done in one way or other tend to bring a lot to the job of royal work. In Camilla's case, I don't think she ever had a career beyond traditional society wife, but by the time she became royal she'd been through the experience of raising kids, forged a course through divorce and scandal, worked through the pain and sense of loss when people near to her died. Those things aren't jobs but they're certainly work.

Sophie's PR work definitely has applications in royal life; the same could be said for the Danish Princess Mary and Marie's backgrounds in marketing, the Spanish Queen Letizia's history in TV, the Dutch Queen Maxima's former role as an administrator in the financial world. I think we've already seen through the example of Princess Grace that Meghan's career could have similarly transferable skills.
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I, for somewhat reason, do not seem to like the Harry and Meghan couple. I don't know why but it feels like there is something off.....

Generally, going along with the conversation, Sophie definitely is one of the best women before royalty and I love how she and Edward work well together. Their children seem good as well.

Well, the next generation after the Queen's children is still coming and we can look foward to Beartrice and Eugenie as well as the rest
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:10 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me at all that they were talking about marriage within 3 to 6 months of meeting/dating.


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I agree, I believe marriage was on the table at an earlier stage, and I would think that the Queen and courtiers would advise waiting a year or two.
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:18 PM
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I agree, I believe marriage was on the table at an earlier stage, and I would think that the Queen and courtiers would advise waiting a year or two.
Which by the time they marry it (most likely) will be two years or just after.

If they announce an engagement and she moves to London by year end, they'll have their 5/6 months living together and adjusting to everything beforehand.


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Old 10-24-2017, 08:22 PM
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I agree, I believe marriage was on the table at an earlier stage, and I would think that the Queen and courtiers would advise waiting a year or two.
Agreed.

I'm sure the Queen and courtiers were also involved once Harry knew how serious he was. They were probably consulted before he sent out his statement last year.
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:52 PM
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Agreed.

I'm sure the Queen and courtiers were also involved once Harry knew how serious he was. They were probably consulted before he sent out his statement last year.


I can't imagine they weren't. Harry has way too much respect for his grandmother than to completely blindside her with something like that. He may bristle at being a royal at times, but there is no doubt he respects his grandmother and her position. He's often said, she is basically his boss. I truly believe if his grandmother felt really strongly about something, he'd respect that.
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Old 10-24-2017, 09:11 PM
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Well it sure seems to me, all the indications point to an announcement coming soon. Like any couple planning and preparing it’s been discussed with their family I would think. The frenzy because it’s high profile is only starting. I can understand why they would want “their time” for as long as possible
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I can't imagine they weren't. Harry has way too much respect for his grandmother than to completely blindside her with something like that. He may bristle at being a royal at times, but there is no doubt he respects his grandmother and her position. He's often said, she is basically his boss. I truly believe if his grandmother felt really strongly about something, he'd respect that.
That's exactly why I feel BP had no problems with the VF article. If his grandmother told him to tone it down, IG wouldn't have happened. In fact, it was the most open Harry has been. It wasn't just the closing ceremony, but holding hand arriving together to an engagement, and both shaking hands and chatting with competitors and spectators afterwards? That's something else.
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