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Old 06-21-2010, 08:42 AM
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WOW, The Spencer Blood Line... funny....Diana was the one who wanted them boys to have a " normal life" The Spencers know the duty that must come but also wanted them both to live, love, and marry for themselves and not just to produce a healthy offspring...which will come in time. I think it is a good thing that both William and Harry want to live life and enjoy it for a bit...
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Old 06-21-2010, 09:22 AM
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Well, ok, we can talk about them as if they are celebrities but basically normal people, or we can look at the aspect that is more to do with the underpinnings of national identity. Of course I don't want them to be unhappy, but at the end of the day I am glad we got Spencer bloodline back on the throne because of the historical connotations.

When was the Spencer bloodline on the throne?

I know that Diana was a descendent of Charles II through one of his many illegitimate children but then so is Sarah Duchess of York and HRH The Duchess of Cornwall so it can't be that as otherwise it wouldn't have mattered which one of them Charles married as that line would be the same whether he married Diana or Camilla.

Of course Charles is a descendent of every royal house that has ever sat on the throne - Norman, Plantagenet, Tudor, Stuart, Hanover etc whereas Diana can't claim descent from the Hannoverians but only the Stuarts, Tudors, Plantagenets and Normans.
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Old 06-21-2010, 09:53 AM
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Oh I didn't know Camilla was in there as well. Lol ok well in that case he might as well have married her in the first place. I am not at all sure I agree with this "sewing the wild oats" advice Charles is said to have received from his uncle. And in these days of trying to spread the message of more responsible sex, it's definitely not something we want to see in William or Harry's behaviour.
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Old 06-21-2010, 09:59 AM
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Diana and Camilla were distant cousins.
In this day of precautions young people are quite free with 'sewing their wild oats' but William and Harry don't seem to have done so. They both seem to have been in monogomous relationships since their early 20s but they might still have a breakout in them of course. We don't know what the future holds.
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Old 06-21-2010, 12:36 PM
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...Where the focus of this family's relationship with us is in their heredity...
All these princes are to you is heir makers basically.
You saying the purity of someones blood is more important than peoples happiness?
All our monarchy is, is a ceremonial role, they are a tourist attraction to many many people. We no longer see them the way they were viewed in Queen Victoria's time.

Both boys should marry who they love, and I hope they are commoners.
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Old 06-21-2010, 01:52 PM
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Then maybe they should not be part of a monarchic system at all? The thing is, the British people pay for this system based on the people in it being somehow "special" and not there to look out for their own emotional fulfilment. Unlike the old days when Kings could do what on earth they pleased and we believed that was because they were specially blessed by God or could behead us, these days why would we want to pay for a set of normal, flawed, self-fulfilling people to have a privileged lifestyle? We only do it for tradition's sake, so they might as well do it the traditional way. They no longer govern directly, so their only real *constitutional* role is to keep on producing the next in line with the fewest side-steps possible. If that's not the role they want for themselves then I wish them well in their future lives as commoners.

I mean even as commoners they can do celebrity fete openings and things like that, and get a small fee.
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Old 06-21-2010, 02:07 PM
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Well they aren't going to be commoners anytime soon.
They will produce heirs when they are ready, every one this planet can understand that you do not marry or have a child unless you are ready, or at least I thought they did.
You are calling for a republic based on the fact that William and Harry want to have their own lives before having children. Every monarch in one way or another has lead their own life before settling down into the role they were born to do.
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Old 06-21-2010, 02:27 PM
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^ Well said Lumutqueen.
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Old 06-21-2010, 02:37 PM
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I just don't happen to like the modern idea that teens last till 30. In my generation we were grown up at 21. No wonder retirement age is having to be pushed back till 70!
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Old 06-21-2010, 02:39 PM
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Whose says they are teens at 30?
I am a teenager myself, and Harry and William are certainly not acting like teenagers.
I think what you mean is that, they are not having children and are not married by the time they are 30.
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Old 06-21-2010, 02:45 PM
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There are many couples who move because one of spouse's job. I have a friend from Texas who married a man from Scotland. They lived in Japan for five years because her husband's job was transferred there. I can understand if Chelsy is homesick, but if she's going to use that to end the relationship, she's going to come off as immature.

In the end, Harry needs to find a partner who is going to support him as he supports his grandmother, father and brother. Chelsy isn't quite that person yet, but she still has the potential to grow.
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Old 06-21-2010, 02:49 PM
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... She seems to be the only girl for Harry and the only girl who has managed to tame him and make him realize what his passion is...
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well, I think only Harry can answer this, we only make assumptions...and It's all over the news now, tv news as well...I hope its only a temporary split as it was before. I really like them as a couple, even though I was more Wills/Kate's team...I'm waiting to see the next photos of Chelsy in the press. She has a tendency to put on fake tan on, when she brakes up with Harry, lol..."I'm sorry, I've being mean here
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...Where the focus of this family's relationship with us is in their heredity, keeping the purity of direct first-born succession as far as possible is of the essence...
Pure bloodlines or not the monarchy is still very intriguing because there is so few of them. Why would you want William to marry a woman because of her background when he doesn't love her? Do you prefer another marriage disaster like Charles and Diana? William deserves a woman that loves and cares for him. A woman who will be there through the good and bad, a great mother to his children.

Look at Charles and Camilla- they're happy and Charles looks more relaxed and approachable now that he's with the woman that he loves as opposed to
when he was with Diana and he looked so aloof and seemed like he didn't want to be there.

When you're going to be the future king or queen you better have one heck of a husband or wife standing by your side who is patient and tolerant of some of the challenges that will be thrown in your direction. You're in for the long haul. A king or queen does not have a set time to serve like a prime minister. You don't get to quit (unless you have health problems). You were born to serve the people of your country so you need to get your marriage right. At the end of the day her/his bloodlines wouldn't matter if you're unhappy and can't get
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Old 06-21-2010, 02:54 PM
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Do you prefer another marriage disaster like Charles and Diana?
I can answer that question.

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And for that reason I am glad there was an unhappy first marriage with Diana to produce those boys, rather than a happy first marriage with Camilla placing her offspring on the throne instead.
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Old 06-21-2010, 04:00 PM
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Why would you want William to marry a woman because of her background when he doesn't love her?
Nono! Don't misunderstand. I am assuming he *does* love Kate, or surely he would have finished with her by now. Assuming he has the woman he eventually wants to marry and have kids with, it would secure the succession better if he were to actually get on with it before a) he has a helicopter accident or b) her fertility begins to reduce - which it does from age 30 as is well known. Delaying it because of some notion of "I'm too young to settle down" is what I am complaining about.
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Many women in their 30s, even early 40s can have healthy pregnancies and deliver healthy children. I'm 28, the same age as both William and Kate. I am in no way ready to get married and have children, even if my parents were married at 22 and most of my high school classmates are on baby #4 right now. Obviously the two of them are of a similar mindset or else they would have married and started a family by now.

You may not think 28 is "too young", but that's you. There's no magic age where suddenly you feel totally ready for the responsibilities a marriage and family entail, and that goes for people who AREN'T royalty as well. Some people are totally ready for that at 18, some don't get married until their mid-30s. It all depends on the people in that relationship. Clearly, they don't think they're ready. Whether William will be King of Great Britain or not, he shouldn't marry because of the calendar or public pressure. That's a sure-fire way to fail.
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Nono! Don't misunderstand. I am assuming he *does* love Kate, or surely he would have finished with her by now. Assuming he has the woman he eventually wants to marry and have kids with, it would secure the succession better if he were to actually get on with it before a) he has a helicopter accident or b) her fertility begins to reduce - which it does from age 30 as is well known. Delaying it because of some notion of "I'm too young to settle down" is what I am complaining about.
Princess Mary was 33 when she had her first.
Princess Mette-Marit was 30 when she had IA.
Princess Maxima was was 32.
Princess Mathilde was 28.

Each of there husbands went through training before marrying and having heirs, Frederik went through some of the most tough and dangerous.
Be involved in army, naval or air force training you take the risk of being injured, it comes with the territory.
Just as you say "I'm too young" is a bad excuse, which is ridiculous.
I say "My fertilty is going down" is just as bad.
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ok i have a general question: what has harry done after his A levels? he hasnt a university degree, has he?
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ok i have a general question: what has harry done after his A levels? he hasnt a university degree, has he?
No.
He took a gap year, then went into training.
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Old 06-21-2010, 05:14 PM
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ok i have a general question: what has harry done after his A levels? he hasnt a university degree, has he?

Since age 18 he has had 18 months as a gap year and the rest of the time in the army mainly doing training of some sort but with a brief stint in Afghanistan.
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