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Old 04-22-2010, 06:38 PM
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As Harry spends most of his time at the base in Shropshire doing his training he is hardly living in London ...
Harry isn't training in Shropshire any more. He transferred to another base.

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you know to think of it harry it raveling this year but if chelsy brought a house they prob will move in togther after the traveling
I doubt Harry and Chelsy are living together (or will any time soon) and that story was from a tabloid (although I don't remember which one). I also don't think he'll travel with Chelsy. I don't see how he could. He may meet up with her on a weekend here and there, but he couldn't possibly do any extensive travelling.
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Old 04-22-2010, 06:45 PM
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ok.thats nice.chelsy wedding won't be as covered as wills and kate but heck bet u a fine penny her dress will be smokin
I'm sure Chelsy's dress would be, er, smokin.
So would Chelsy go with a traditional, somber dress or something frilly and fufu, or elegant, or wild and original? I wonder what kind of dress she would wear. She doesn't seem the traditional type, but you never know....
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Old 04-22-2010, 07:41 PM
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Harry isn't training in Shropshire any more. He transferred to another base.
You are right - he is in Hampshire, which I knew and forgot but the point remains - he and William can't be sharing a house any more as they are training on different bases in different parts of the Kingdom.
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Old 04-23-2010, 04:20 PM
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Do you guys think Harry would or could have a 'private' wedding at a smaller church if he really wanted to. I know William never could but what about Harry? Everyone keeps naming the same churches: St. Paul's, Westminster, Windsor. I'm not familiar with the other churches in England, but what if he wanted it at another church, still a big church but perhaps not as grand as the ones named? With the Queen being thrifty lately, would it be a possibility?
Oh I don't think Harry could ever get away with a private wedding. Not with him being the son of the next King. Besides, then we'd miss out on watching a lovely royal wedding. And no one puts on a royal show better than the Windsors.

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I'm sure Chelsy's dress would be, er, smokin.
So would Chelsy go with a traditional, somber dress or something frilly and fufu, or elegant, or wild and original? I wonder what kind of dress she would wear. She doesn't seem the traditional type, but you never know....
I can't even imagine what type of dress Chelsy would wear. She doesn't strike me as the traditional type. I could see her wearing something a bit different, but still tasteful. Certainly not anything frilly, she doesn't seem like the frilly type. But like you said you never know.
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Old 04-23-2010, 04:54 PM
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Do you think Harry could (if wanted) to get married in private in the style of the wedding of Princess Caroline of Monaco with Stefano Casiraghi?

And if Harry and/or William if see this situation with to-be-wife early pregnant how do you think would be the style of their marriage?
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Old 04-23-2010, 05:05 PM
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Harry could only get married in a low key ceremony, if he was not a prince, or if it was his second time. In my opinion.
Depending on how far gone the fiancee or girlfriend was, and if they were engaged or not.
Fiancee and only a few months gone, would probably be just as lavish as if she weren't pregnant. Any further than 6 months, and i personally wouldn't want to get married, i'd wait until the baby was born.

If the couple, weren't engaged and the girlfriend fell pregnant, then it's up to them, I wouldn't think William or Harry would be silly enough to marry just to keep the baby in line for the succesion, if they didn't feel they were ready for marraige, because that could turn out worse.
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Old 04-23-2010, 05:14 PM
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But if he wants that his child has succession rights he must be married to the mother before he/she is borned, no? So he couldn't wait until the child is borned to get married
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lumutqueen, I'm talking specifically if William and Harry are in the same situation the Princess Caroline of Monaco is found in marriages with Stefano Casiraghi & Prince Ernst of Hanover.
Eg. They are in a serious relationship with a woman and she just gets pregnant. Do you think William and Harry would simply act like Caroline would mark the date for the wedding and invite family & friends and happen ceremony in the palace, and would make official photos right and resolved!???

How do you think William & Harry would act if they see the same situation as Caroline?

One more question: what you think would have for the reactions of The Queen, Prince Philip & Prince Charles?
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Old 04-23-2010, 06:41 PM
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Do you think Harry could (if wanted) to get married in private in the style of the wedding of Princess Caroline of Monaco with Stefano Casiraghi?

And if Harry and/or William if see this situation with to-be-wife early pregnant how do you think would be the style of their marriage?
Didn't Caroline only have civil ceremonies and not church weddings? I don't think this would go over well with the British public no matter what the circumstances especially with the monarchy's close association with the church.

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I'm sure Chelsy's dress would be, er, smokin.
So would Chelsy go with a traditional, somber dress or something frilly and fufu, or elegant, or wild and original? I wonder what kind of dress she would wear. She doesn't seem the traditional type, but you never know....
I think Chelsy would certainly wear something appropriate. Doesn't the Queen inspect the dress before the wedding? I remember reading that the queen saw Diana's dress after it was finished and before the wedding. Would the prince's brides need to have the queen's approval for the style of dress or would they have free reign?
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Old 04-23-2010, 08:06 PM
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The Princes will have church weddings, particularly William as he is the future Supreme Governor of the Church of England.

I think if they knew they were pregnant before any engagement was annouced they would still have a church wedding but it would be a lower-key one than otherwise due to the time constraints and the need to have a dress that would be appropriate.

I do think that they would be being very careful for that very reason - not wanting to be 'forced' into a marriage due to a pregnancy. It could possibly backfire e.g. Kate decides to force William to officially propose by getting pregnant it could actually convince him that she isn't the one for him and tell her that he won't marry her. I am not saying he would do that but that he might.
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Old 04-24-2010, 05:13 AM
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William and Harry would not act that Caroline, IMO. The Monanesque royal family, is very different to the British one.
They would act as I said before, depending on how far gone the woman in question was.
I think they would all understand that things like this happen, but I think they would be slightly disappointed and worried about the outcome. Say Chelsy got pregnant, and Harry nor Chlesy wanted to marry, but they wanted to have the baby. That child would have no succesion rights, how would The Queen feel about her first great-grandchild being illegitamate?

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But if he wants that his child has succession rights he must be married to the mother before he/she is borned, no? So he couldn't wait until the child is borned to get married
Yes he must marry for the child to be in line for succesion. But if Harry/William doesn't feel that it is the right time to marry, he shouldn't marry just because there is a child on the way.
That could ruin, is relationship with the woman carrying his child, and if they divorce when the child is older, that could leave the child scarred.
It is possible, perhaps that if occured for William, when he became King, he could change the succession laws, the include this child. But that here nor there.
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Old 04-24-2010, 05:26 AM
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Just a note - William can't change the succession laws (or any monarch for that matter).
It is only Parliament that can change the succession laws.

Allowing for an illegitimate child to inherit wouldn't be possible for one child alone but would have to allow any child to inherit. What if William already has a child and the mother has never told him, or they have broken up but are on good enough terms that she hasn't made a fuss (and he has some very close friends where I can see that situation as a possibily in theory) then a law like you suggest would see that mother come forward and claim that her child has a better claim being older.

I think that if Kate or Chelsy were to find themselves inconveniently pregnant before a wedding was announced there could very well be an abortion rather than a forced marriage or an identifiable illegitimate child.
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Couldn't William ask parliament to change the laws, for this possible child if he every found him in that situation?
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Couldn't William ask parliament to change the laws, for this possible child if he every found him in that situation?

However it isn't a simple as changing it for one child. It would have to be for all illegitimate children in order of birth so what if there is an unknown child out there whose mother isn't sure about the father - she could cause all sorts of problems by claiming that her child is William's and then there would have to be DNA etc and done publicly.

Would it also have to apply to other titles etc?

The royals are very careful with having any laws debated in Parliament about them as they could very well see parliament turn the debate into a debate about the very existence of the royal family.

By insisting on the child coming within wedlock it makes the succession clear.

Just because we all think that William doesn't have an illegitimate child out there what about in the future? How many people knew that Albert of Monaco had illegitimate children until some years ago (suspected isn't the same as knowing).
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No, William and Harry would not act that Caroline, IMO. The Monanesque royal family, is very different to the British one...
Well, but you will agree with me that if Harry & Chelsy or Kate & William or William & Harry with other girlfriends in this situation and resolve not to marry will be a full plate for the tabloids.

Sincerely (hypothetically speaking) if Chelsy become pregnant (of Harry), they resolve not to marry, I think she should raised this child in South Africa or a country like Switzerland. Because honestly if she gets pregnant and they do not marry, I would be so sorry for their child be raised in England to the delight of the tabloids!

But let's say that William and/or Harry to meet this situation with his girlfriend pregnant and decide to marry as would be the style of their marriage? Because I think it would not have much time to organize THE TRUE ROYAL WEDDING with all royalty attending etc.

If they marry these circumstances, do you think the marriage would be televised, it would have full royalty attending, what would the church etc?
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I'm sure even the tabloids could understand that, they weren't marrying because they weren't ready.
Chelsy/Kate or any other girlfriend who didn't raise the child in england, would be heavily criticised. Having a child with a royal, would guarentee the person royal protection to the probable standard of being married to one.

It would be a rushed wedding, maybe a low key church wedding, then a bigger wedding when the couple had had the baby, perhaps. Or if the royal organisers went into overdrive, they may manage to pull off a full blown royal wedding, before the bride was too far gone. If they married, in london, in a reasonably sized church, the wedding would be televised. Don't think the country, nor the press would allow it not to be watched.
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Couldn't William ask parliament to change the laws, for this possible child if he every found him in that situation?
I suppose he could make a request but in all likelihood the baby would be born by the time a vote could take place.
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If Kate or Chelsy were pregnant before the engagement they could still get a full-sized royal wedding together in a couple of months as these sorts of things are in the planning stages constantly.
Look at how quickly they put together Diana's and the Queen Mum's funerals with processions etc.

These things are constantly planned and with the ages of William and Harry a lot of the planning is also done now.

They would need the obvious - dress etc (the boys are fine - dress uniforms), which church and television rights but again that isn't hard to get together - look at Diana and the Queen Mum's funerals again where television rights were organised within a week.
Inviting people - so they mightn't get the Heads of State but other royals would be there and the Ambassadors of the Heads of State.
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Some light-weight, possibly completely made-up gossip from Katie Nicholls:

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There’s renewed trouble in Prince Harry’s Royal circle after his girlfriend Chelsy Davy made up with her best friend Bubble.The Prince and his friends had snubbed Bubble, real name Olivia Perry, suspecting the 25-year-old of leaking stories about him and Chelsy.
But now Chelsy, 24, has extended an olive branch to Bubble which has not gone down well with Harry’s close pal Julz Erleigh, his girlfriend Davina Harbord and her sister Astrid.[...]
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That article doesn't mention that Harry has a problem with this Bubble person, it only says that he hasn't gone down well with his "close" circle of friends.
I don't think Katie Nicholls, likes Chelsy all that much to be honest.
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