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Old 02-05-2010, 05:43 PM
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Let's not forget that Harry is only 25 years old. And most guys aren't fully mature by that age. I agree that he has matured more and become more serious, particularly the last year.
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:19 PM
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If they aren't fully mature at 25 at what age do you think they are fully mature?

To me a 25 year old most certainly is as mature as they are ever going to be - yes they may still make mistakes and errors in judgement - we all do that at every age - but he most certainly is at the age at which he should be fully mature with the capacity to make fully reasoned decisions. He also holds the Queen's commission meaning that he has to have the maturity to make life and death decisions for himself and others. Do you think that officers with that authority and responsibility aren't fully mature? If so they shouldn't be officers.
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:19 PM
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He doesn't party and go clubbing anymore. And he's focusing more on his career and charities. I think he's turning into a fine young man and will represent the monarchy very well.
So true Shanaz. I think he will be a great asset to the monarchy.
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:02 PM
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I literally can't remember the last time we saw pictures of Harry stumbling out of a club looking the-worse-for-wear.

11th January 2010 he was at Raffles nightclub with Chelsy.

He has to drink less due to his pilot training but he still puts it away when he can.
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:32 AM
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See? It's so obvious that he finds this daily routine quite oppressive. This and many more prove to me Harry doesn't have this X (= royal) factor. JMO
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Old 02-06-2010, 02:53 PM
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Just because he went out on a weekend doesn't mean he finds anything oppressive. And it doesn't mean he was drunk and stumbling about either.
His outings have been far and few between lately.
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Old 02-06-2010, 03:01 PM
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Right, it doesn't prove anything. But as mentioned above, I have many more reasons to believe what I said.
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Old 02-06-2010, 04:31 PM
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His 'reported' outings have been far and few between lately.
Just because we haven't seen photos taken by the paparazzi doesn't mean that he isn't still doing it.

It could be a number of reasons why it isn't being reported of which one is that he isn't doing it as much. Another is that the editors of the papers aren't running the stories any more. A third is that he is more selective about where he gets drunk.
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Old 02-06-2010, 08:01 PM
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You can be sure the press will snap him if he's ever out and about as the British press is very aggressive particularly with catching the royals and of course they'll run the story.
All the rest is gossip and speculations which is not allowed on this forum.
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Old 02-06-2010, 08:48 PM
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I don't agree.
I actually think that the press are getting a very large message from the Queen's recent request not to photograph them at Sandringham that they should be allowed personal space and that that, by extension means fewer photos of them in off duty hours.

There are just so many times you can show a photo of a person coming out of a nightclub and getting into a car before it becomes something that is no longer 'news'. Harry doing so it just that - so everyday that it is no longer news and therefore not published any more.
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Old 02-07-2010, 04:50 AM
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The Queen's request was that paparazzi not take photos of the royals on the private estate, that's somewhat different to taking photos of them in the street exiting a nightclub!

Harry (William, Beatrice, Eugenie) are all fair game when they are leaving restaurants, nightclubs, private parties and all have been photographed doing so. (Not to mention Sarah, and occasionally Andrew) The paparazzi plan their evenings to be around the more well-known establishments in the hope of getting sellable photo, not just of royals but any other celebrities around. And I'm sure some of them are tipped off by people inside as to who is around. There are fewer photos of Harry leaving nightclubs simply because he's going to them less often, not that he was going to them 'everynight' as was often written by the critics, the Harry watchers can confirm his attendence!

A comparable contrast is celebrity Sienna Miller, she took court action and the Big Picture paparazzi agency are not allowed to photograph her outside her home, during her private time in the UK. (Outside the UK the ruling doesn't stand) She's rekindled her relationship with Jude Law, the media have reported it but no photos of them together near her house due to the court ruling. But last week they were in London exiting a restaurant/club and a photo was taken of them and published.

If Harry was to be found nightclubbing with high frequency then there would be paparazzi photos (the chance of getting him with Chelsy makes them even more desirable). The lack of photos shows that he's just not clubbing as much.
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Old 02-07-2010, 05:34 AM
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That is your opinion.
Sure the Queen's statement specified the Sandringham estate but even blind freddy can read between the lines and see that she wants them to lay off the entire family in their private lives.

There is also a limit to how many times people will shell out money for the same story - photos of Harry coming out of clubs. If people aren't going to pay for them then they aren't going to be published, no matter how many photos are handed over to the editors.

The photo needs to be something new - Harry kissing Chelsy (or some other female) but not just the same old Harry leaving a club.

Not seeing those photos is not proof that Harry isn't still going and I, for one, don't believe that he has stopped that activity as he is too much into enjoying life and to him that means getting off his face as much as possible.

His flying means that he is being tested regularly and he can't turn up to training with an alcohol reading so he isn't going on nights that would lead to a negative reading but when he knows that it will be out of his system in time I do believe that he is still writing himself off.

So long as he doesn't do it to the detriment of his very limited royal role or before attending a church service commemorating his grandparents wedding anniversary, or other such important event, I don't care if he gets plastered every night.

I simply will continue to point out here that no news doesn't mean that it isn't still happening but rather that there is nothing new to report - news would be that he has given up drinking (fat chance of that happening) but it isn't news that he goes to nightclubs and gets drunk.

As for saying that these young people are 'fair game' when they go out that is totally wrong. All of them are entitled to a private life and that means that when they are out at a public place but off duty they are entitled to privacy - and the European Courts have made that ruling for Princess Caroline. It is that sort of attitude amongst many in the general public that resulted in the death of Diana. Anyone who holds that view should look very hard at what they are really saying - that the paparazzi should be able to take photos of anyone anywhere at anytime and be blowed to the private lives of these people.

Isn't it sad that some people actually think that this is their right rather than that these young people have a right to be able to go out with a friends, have a good time, and not have it all over the papers. One of the reasons I think the Queen made the request was to get exactly that - Sandringham as a start but the underlying statement was - 'we want our privacy and we will take court action to get it'.
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Old 02-07-2010, 06:17 AM
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Let's not forget that Harry is only 25 years old. And most guys aren't fully mature by that age. I agree that he has matured more and become more serious, particularly the last year.
I think quite the opposite, if he isn't matured by 25, there something wrong.

And iluvbertie, all you points in #352 are excellent and I agree with them whole-heartedly.
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Old 02-07-2010, 06:20 AM
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I can only agree with Iluvbertie here. Apart from what was mentioned above, there are so many other signs - and recent ones - that prove Harry is not a 'saint', let alone an asset to the British monarchy. Just remember last year's 'joke' in Australia.
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Old 02-07-2010, 06:59 AM
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Just remember last year's 'joke' in Australia.
Oh please, not this hoary old chestnut again. Let me repeat what I wrote here last year: there was no negative reaction whatsoever in Australia over Harry's little joke.
Those determined to find fault need to find something more substantial than trotting out this non-event.
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Old 02-07-2010, 05:02 PM
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There are just so many times you can show a photo of a person coming out of a nightclub and getting into a car before it becomes something that is no longer 'news'. Harry doing so it just that - so everyday that it is no longer news and therefore not published any more.
You're trying to use this to justify your speculations about Harry clubbing by saying "the paparrazzi just don't take photos or publish them." That's nonsense. It's like saying "I don't have any proof but that's only because the paps don't take photos anymore, therefore I can make any claim I want". I don't think so! If you don't have proof or any basis for your claims then it is just speculation. Pure and simple.
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Old 02-07-2010, 05:20 PM
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Not seeing those photos is not proof that Harry isn't still going and I, for one, don't believe that he has stopped that activity as he is too much into enjoying life and to him that means getting off his face as much as possible.

His flying means that he is being tested regularly and he can't turn up to training with an alcohol reading so he isn't going on nights that would lead to a negative reading but when he knows that it will be out of his system in time I do believe that he is still writing himself off.

So long as he doesn't do it to the detriment of his very limited royal role or before attending a church service commemorating his grandparents wedding anniversary, or other such important event, I don't care if he gets plastered every night.

I simply will continue to point out here that no news doesn't mean that it isn't still happening but rather that there is nothing new to report - news would be that he has given up drinking (fat chance of that happening) but it isn't news that he goes to nightclubs and gets drunk.
Not seeing photos isn't proof that he is either!
This is all complete speculation. None of us knows Harry personally or what he does in his private life off camera.
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Old 02-08-2010, 07:10 AM
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You're trying to use this to justify your speculations about Harry clubbing by saying "the paparrazzi just don't take photos or publish them." That's nonsense. It's like saying "I don't have any proof but that's only because the paps don't take photos anymore, therefore I can make any claim I want". I don't think so! If you don't have proof or any basis for your claims then it is just speculation. Pure and simple.
Quite right.

Firstly, I do not think there is anything wrong with Harry being out with his friends regularly. You dont necesarily want to see him drunk every week, but, IMO, there is nothing wrong in being out and socialing with friends at pubs and bars in your spare time. Teh tax payer is not paying his bills, so he is entitled to do pretty much what he wants to in his provate time.

Secondly, photographs not being publiched does not mean that the press has stopped running the pictures. I don't think the world and the tabloids are no longer willing to see pictures of young royals falling out of pubs.

I personally think that William and Harry are both making it a point to stay away from high visibility venues, and it seems to be working.
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Old 02-08-2010, 02:44 PM
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I honestly don't think, that either have been partying hard like they used to. They both have calmed down.
The press follow them wherever, and they will follow them on nights out. And i definetely think any pictures the press would have taken would have been published.
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Old 02-08-2010, 06:13 PM
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Exactly Muriel. Harry seems like a sociable person. British pubs aren't like American bars where people go just to drink. Pubs are social gathering places. So what if he has a pint while socializing with his friends. It doesn't mean he's always getting drunk.
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