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Old 12-23-2009, 02:16 AM
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Even if William has children it will be awhile before they are old enough to perform royal duties so he needs his brother to help out until then. It's been said that Charles wants to narrow down the core royal family who have an HRH title and carry out duties so Harry will be much needed.
I think that's what I said. I would guess that if William had a legitimate child tomorrow, it would probably be 25 years + before the child began to undertake an appreciable number of royal duties.

I don't think Chelsy would play Lilian to Harry's Bertil for that long.
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Old 12-25-2009, 06:02 PM
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It's going to be pretty hard for Chelsy to reign in her willful personality if she does become a princess. Only time will tell where this relationship is going to go.
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Old 12-26-2009, 07:41 PM
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The whole Chelsy/Harry situation is interesting. We are led to believe she is a fiercely independent woman who under no circumstances would ever want to be reigned into the royal fold and have her wings clipped. All understandable, its certainly not a life that many would embrace.

They were together for approx five years or so until the break up this year, and as we now know are back together and happily so, it seems. But... to what end at this stage. Nothing has changed with regard to Harry's lineage and lifestyle, so why go back, knowing that ultimately marriage to Harry would certainly have its consequences.

I personally find these two a very suited couple, and I can only imagine that long conversations have taken place and plans put in motion to ensure that if the inevitable does happen, Chelsy will not be a prisoner of her new life. I would go as far as to say that her demands on that front would have been a key factor in returning at all. It would be a dreadful shame to see two people who love each other choosing to part because of the implications of a controlling lifestyle which seems to go with the union. The advantage of course they do have from the word go is that he is the second son, with non of the hard core duties and attention that William and Kate will get. Its Charles and Andrew all over again.

I would certainly smile if a happy ending was in store for these two.
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Old 12-26-2009, 10:48 PM
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However, until William is married with legitimate children Harry isn't free to choose totally as he could find himself called to be King if William died without legitimate issue.

The second son/child, or even younger than that, has often actually become King e.g. Henry VIII, Edward VI (eldest son but third child - sure due to male primogeniture), Elizabeth I, Charles I, James II, Anne, William IV (third son), Victoria (sure she was the eldest and only child but her father was the fourth son), George V, George VI so in the last 500 years 11/22 have been second or younger sons or claimed through descent from a younger child (and I have left out George I who descent and rights also came through a younger child although he himself was the eldest son and there were religious and legislative reasons as opposed to straight inheritance from the previous monarch).
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I'm sure that Harry and Chelsy will have to have a serious discussion about their relationship. Chelsy wants to be independent, but if she and Harry should marry, she would have to carry out some Royal duties, if she doesn't, the press and public would start grumbling about paying taxes for a member not doing anything for the Family etc. There's nothing wrong with wanting a job, but as in the case of Sophie and Edward, their trying to be Royal and working people ended in disaster. The two cannot go together. Chelsy has repeatedly stated she doesn't like England and wants to end up in South Africa, that's not possible for Harry right now or for a few years because not only being third in line to the throne thus if something should happen to William he would carry on. He has military commitments that he can't just drop at the hat.
If Harry truly wants to marry Chelsy and she doesn't want to be "princess" and go in for the Royal life and duties it entails, would Harry give up his title and place in succession to join her in South Africa? Right now I don't think he would even think of doing that plus not wanting to give up all the perks. There's a lot for these two to face in reality and in the end one or both will end up disappointed and/or hurt.
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Old 12-27-2009, 02:48 AM
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Unless there is a return to pre-92 Civil List arrangements, or Harry becomes King, he will not be being supported by taxpayers any more than he is now (other than from his army pay). He is supported by his father from the Duchy of Cornwall estate and that will continue until Charles is King at which point he will be supported by his father from the Duchy of Lancaster estate and that will continue under his brother. Of course he also has the millions he inherited from his mother so he is a very wealthy young man already and needs no additional funds from anyone.

I wouldn't be surprised if he does decide to leave England, a country he has publicly says he doesn't like, and go to live in South Africa with Chelsy and do nothing much for the rest of his life due to his private wealth. He would see that as a final escape from the paparazzi and the public that killed his mother.
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Chelsy Davy and Prince Harry plan to meet up for the World Cup

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Things seem to be getting increasingly serious for Prince Harry and girlfriend Chelsy Davy.

Not only is the Prince jetting off to see Chelsy and her family for the New Year in Mauritius, the couple are also planning a trip to South Africa in June to coincide with the football World Cup.
Read more: Chelsy Davy and Prince Harry plan to meet up for the World Cup | Mail Online
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Old 12-27-2009, 04:11 AM
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Assuming that he isn't on military duties at that time. Must be great to be in the military and be able to say "Look I want to go to South Africa to catch up with my girlfriend and go to the World Cup". Harry seems to be able to get all the time off he wants. I do hope that any other serviceman who wants time off to watch the World Cup is able to get it.
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:56 AM
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Quite right, for people who said they don't get special treatment, they do get quite alot.
I didn't know he was spending new year in mauritus, i thought he would be in south africa.
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Chelsy and her family will be in Mauritius for New Year, hence Harry's presence.
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Old 12-27-2009, 10:07 AM
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All these comments are based on tabloid ramblings and "Banner Headlines". We don't actually "know" anything about the woman and what we do know is mostly fruit of the poisoned tree.

Being independent as she does seem to be would be a great asset should she and Harry decide to marry. When they "broke up" they were both at pivotal times of their respective careers. Now they have sorted that out it seems that they are now back together.

I only have one question: Did they really break up or did they just split for the interest of the media thus allowing them both to concentrate on their futures without a virtual fireworks display of camera flashes dogging their footsteps.
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It might be possible once William marries and produces heirs. At that point, Harry becomes less important and the throne is secure.

Time will tell, but I doubt The Queen is going to entertain Harry running off to get married while relinquishing his royal style and duties. That goes against everything she believes and introduces another Duke of Windsor situation.

Not likely to happen.
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Old 12-27-2009, 05:37 PM
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Yes but as someone pointed out it will be 18-20 yrs before William's children would be old enough to carry out engagements. Harry is William's only sibling and they are very close. William is going to need Harry's help and support for a long time. I really hope Harry doesn't leave England to live somewhere else. Chelsy needs to understand his position and responsibilities to his country. Also Harry is trying to establish a career in the British military. How could he do that if he leaves England?
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If Harry is serious about his military career (and I am not convinced due to the amount of time he has off) he will need to commit soon to a longer commission I think which could keep him away from full time royal duties until well into his 40s - like Andrew who spend 20 years in the navy and that came first.

Harry will actually be less support, if the military is it future, than Beatrice and Eugenie as they will be there to support William, along with William and Harry's own wives, assuming that either or both actually marry.

Due to education and giving young royals their 20s to find their feet it will be 30 or so years before William's children start to really be able to help him which means late 2030s or early 2040s assuming he marries within the next year or so and immediately has a child.
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Even if Harry would move to SA with Chelsy, they wouldn't escape the press and the limelight. Whenever they've gone to Africa they have always been photographed even when Chelsy was there alone with her family They're not going to escape.
It must be nice for Harry to get all the time off he wants, I don't think the rest of the people in his military unit have gotten it.
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If Harry is serious about his military career (and I am not convinced due to the amount of time he has off) .
Not a fair or accurate view. Harry doesn't have a lot of time off, this year he has had 2 days 'special leave'. The first in February was so he could attend the unveiling of the Queen Mother statue, then he and William went to Australia House to sign the condolences book for the Victorian bushfire victims. The second day of Special Leave that he took was so he could go to New York, that Friday he went to Ground Zero, visited the Fire Station closest to Ground Zero and visited a veterans' hospital. (The polo match for Sentebale was on the Saturday, he then flew overnight back to the UK so he was back on duty on the Monday)
In August when every other member of the royal family was on holidays Harry was still working (well training) one of the papers even wrote an article about this. He finished his basic flight training in October and had a week's holiday in Botswana with friends, that was his first holiday all year.

He's currently on leave until January 4th, he may or maynot be going to Mauritius, the newspaper story said he was leaving the day after Christmas to fly to South Africa, but on the 27th (Sunday) he attended church at Sandringham with the rest of the royal family and greeted members of the public who were outside the church.

The few official engagements that Harry's done this year have been evening engagements such as the attendance at the Military Awards night last week. Yes he's seen socialising but again that's at night time, he trains during the day, also if one bothers to count (and there are those people in the world of royalty watching who do so!) Harry's appearance this year outside night clubs is very low.


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Members of the military in the UK get 6 weeks annual leave each year, Harry's taken a lot less than that this year!
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Quite right Charlotte1. I don't know why people believe what the tabloids (esp. Katie Nicholl) say about royals' upcoming vacations anyway. Katie has been incorrectly trying to guess about royal vacation plans for awhile now.

I doubt William and Harry get any special treatment. William himself has said he doesn't want to be mollycoddled and I'm sure Harry feels the same. If they did then their comrades wouldn't respect them and it would cause resentment. I'm sure that's the last thing they would want amongst their peers. Unless I see pics of them somewhere I don't believe all the vacation rumours flying around from these tabloids.
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William is mollycoddled by the simple fact that he can't be deployed to a war zone due to some fear that he might be killed or a target - so he is being given special consideration.

As for Harry he had to have additional protection when serving in Afghanistan because they feared for his safety - again special consideration not being given to the rest of the army.

If they truly are to serve honestly then they should be seeing active service at the same rate as other soldiers and without any form of additional protection.

So what if one of them gets killed. If they get captured the government could make a deal, showing that they are more important than an ordinary Joe Bloe or allow the same treatment as given to other captured soldiers.

It is this special treatment while other soldiers are dying for their country that annoys me - they are not true soldiers but playing pretends like they did when they were children. At least if they had joined the navy they could actually have seen active service properly.
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I was talking about getting special treatment as far as getting time off.

They can't help who they are and what their station is in life so I don't see the point in bashing them about it.
I've said before there are other ways of serving your country in the military than going into a war zone. They are doing what they can and are allowed to do. I give them credit for that.
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I am pleased that you give them credit especially as it is you taxes that are paying for them to play at being soldiers - probably costing a real soldier a chance to be trained or stopping money that could have been spent on equipping those that are actually serving properly but instead are fighting with poor equipment and dying for it.

Fortunately I am not paying taxes to support them.
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