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Old 12-19-2009, 09:06 AM
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Well, I don't think that will happen.

No disrespect to the House of Orange (who is my 2nd favorite royal family after the Windsors) but you mentioned why it was easy for the three princes to do so.

Johan-Friso was the third son but at that time the other sons were already married and had at least one child each so the chances of him reaching the throne were slipping. And let's face it...Mabel dating and lying about an ex boyfriend to the government officials is a lot more serious than Chelsy not liking England and not wanting to be a princess.

And the two younger sons of Princess Margriet certainly had no chance to be King but when the line of sucession was an issue for the older two, they did ask permission.

Finally, I think Harry knows his duty. It has been taught to him by The Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh, and Charles and Diana. Most importantly, he is William's anchor and he would NEVER IMO leave William alone to shoulder his future role. Sure William will have his aunts, uncles and his cousins but there is nothing like have your sibiling have your back.
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Old 12-19-2009, 04:36 PM
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So he should give up his homeland and family etc to make her happy? What if that makes him unhappy - oh well he made her happy even if he was miserable in the process. Sounds like the arguements given for what his father should have done - make his mother happy but be miserable himself but that would be all right.

They have to find a way that makes both of them happy or not attempt it at all.

He can't simply walk away from his responsibilities to the Royal Family, his father, his brother and deny his children their birthright at the same time. At the moment his brother has no children so Harry is William's heir and if anything happened to William than Harry is IT. If Chelsy can't take that then she should walk away and not keep him dangling.

Each royal house has their own way of doing things and the Windsors are amongst the most traditional of all which is part of their strength.

If Chelsy loves him and wants to be his wife then she has to take on board who he is and accept that. If she can't then so be it.

It isn't always the woman by the way - if Dave Clark (Beatrice's boyfriend) is to marry Beatrice then he will have to give up a lot to be her husband, not as much maybe, but still a lot.
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Old 12-20-2009, 08:18 AM
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I don't think you can compare the dutch boys to Prince Harry. Every situation is different after all.
I think Chelsy with Harry by her side has the capabiltiy to do anything she wants.
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Old 12-20-2009, 11:43 AM
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I too don't think Harry would leave William alone, but you never know what love will make with a person!!
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Old 12-20-2009, 05:14 PM
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I get the impession that Harry really loves Africa and would have no problem living there. He also seems to get on with Chelsey's family. At the end of the day the young Royals were born HRH but I'm not sure if it means that much to many of them. In this day and age young people want a nice relaxed atmosphere in whch to live their lives and houses like Sandringham, for example, must seem like museums to some of them. I agree that Chelsey hasn't done all that studying for nothing and that she will return to Africa one day. Harry himself must be aware of this so the fact that he continues to be with her suggests to me that he isn't ruling out that his long term future may lie outside what he is doing and where he is living at present. Also,when you look at the rules that have already been broken in the Royal Family such as the heir to the throne getting divorced and then marrying his also divorced mistress (P.S. this isn't a cue for a Charles/Camilla right/wrong debate I'm only pointing it out as a huge thing that wouldn't have bee allowed to happen in the past) I think it may be fanciful to think that the younger generation will be any better at puting duty before personal happiness than the older one has been. If anything I think the opposite is bound to be true.
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Old 12-20-2009, 05:42 PM
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They're young. Perhaps they're just biding their time until the right person comes along and they're ready to settle down. Who knows if they're even thinking of marriage right now. They might just enjoy each other's company for now. Same with William.
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Old 12-20-2009, 07:06 PM
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I still have an inkling that both of these princes have been put off marriage completely by what happened to their mother and wouldn't be a bit surprised if in 20 years we are still having this 'who will they marry' conversations?
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Assuming The Queen and the Government would consent to a marriage of Chelsy and Harry (something I think is highly doubtful), she would have to be willing to accept her role as royal princess after she married. She's a highly independent, wealthy young lady who is smart and doing well in law school, so she may not want to give up her entire life for the royal family.

Royal marriages are not like a regular marriage and that's just the way it goes.
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Old 12-20-2009, 09:14 PM
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I'm not convinced that Harry wouldn't be prepared to relocate to Africa. It may not happen during his grandmother's lifetime, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a long-term relationship with Chelsy culminating in marriage when William is married with children and Charles is King. I could see him living in Africa most of the time and heading Africa-based charities and having a minor role in the RF.

The royal world, like the real world, is changing and can change even more if the people involved want it to.
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Old 12-20-2009, 11:44 PM
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He can't simply walk away from his responsibilities to the Royal Family, his father, his brother and deny his children their birthright at the same time. At the moment his brother has no children so Harry is William's heir and if anything happened to William than Harry is IT. If Chelsy can't take that then she should walk away and not keep him dangling.

Each royal house has their own way of doing things and the Windsors are amongst the most traditional of all which is part of their strength.

If Chelsy loves him and wants to be his wife then she has to take on board who he is and accept that. If she can't then so be it.

It isn't always the woman by the way - if Dave Clark (Beatrice's boyfriend) is to marry Beatrice then he will have to give up a lot to be her husband, not as much maybe, but still a lot.
This is the age-old problem of royal romance--the conflict between love and duty. I find it kind of fascinating to see how each generation resolves the problem. I agree that walking away from one's royal duties is not the way to resolve the problem. Edward VIII did it and was basically alienated from his country and the rest of his family for the remainder of his life. On the other hand, choosing duty over love doesn't guarantee any kind of happy ending, either. Princess Margaret chose to reject Captain Townsend, but maybe at the expense of a happy ending--she ended up divorcing the man she did marry.

I think that if Chelsy knows she can't give up her freedom, then the kindest thing to do to Harry would be to break up with him permanently. But maybe they really care about each other and think they can "just date" indefinitely.

I was thinking about this, though, and I might be naive, but I think it's possible for even a very independent person to give up some of their freedom in order to marry into the royal family. I see that a little bit in two of the male consorts of the last two centuries, actually--Prince Albert and Prince Philip. I think they both had their own strong ideas and opinions, yet they managed to negotiate a balance between giving up some of their freedom and yet still managing to implement some of their ideas. But they were men...

But I think that it is possible to be royal and still preserve some independence. Charles, for example, voices his political views often enough. Someone who marries into the royal family just has to learn to when it's safe to express their own ideas or pursue their own interests, and when it's better to keep silent. I think this might be something that a slightly older royal bride might understand better than a younger person, who wants complete independence or nothing--rather than recognizing that maybe a balance can be negotiated. I've seen Sarah Ferguson express regret in a lot of her recent interviews that she was too young and wanted her independence too badly when she was royal; she didn't realize it was possible to "play by the rules" and still maintain her self-respect.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Harry and Chelsy in the next few years...
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Old 12-21-2009, 06:04 AM
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Despite the reationship between Harry and Chelsy being on for 5 years, I still think theyare both very young to make any serious decisions of their life together in the long run.

Harry is only 25, and is still largely pursuing his army career, which is still in its early stages. Chelsy is still training to be a lawyer, and if this is her chosen career, she has many years of hard slog ahead of her. Only a very small proportion of the trainees that magc circle law firms (like Allen & Overy) take on are still with the firm 10 years on. It may well be that in 4-5years she decides to that this is not necessarily her chosen career forward.
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Old 12-21-2009, 06:23 PM
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If it's not meant to be due to circumstances (his position and her family) then I hope they are at least mature enough to accept that and just keep the relationship on a "light" level and not get too deeply involved.
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Old 12-21-2009, 06:27 PM
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Well, if William decides to procreate, eventually Harry's presence will be required much less, although Chelsy might not want to hang around that long.

But I will say that I am amazed, favorably, that Harry has a rather accomplished young woman as his girlfriend and they have maintained the relationship for quite a long time.
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Old 12-21-2009, 06:32 PM
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I think Harry would relocate to Africa for Chelsy, I think he would do anything for her.
But I don't think he would leave the UK on his own accord, i don't think he would be the one to intiate the move. He does love the UK, or more specifically his family.
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Old 12-22-2009, 12:18 AM
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I think Harry would relocate to Africa for Chelsy, I think he would do anything for her.
But I don't think he would leave the UK on his own accord, i don't think he would be the one to intiate the move. He does love the UK, or more specifically his family.

I am not convinced that Harry loves anywhere.

He is the Prince that said that "I don't like England" so I do think that he would leave if he could but his family are there particularly his brother.

Cranmer: Prince Harry: ‘I generally don't like England that much’
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Old 12-22-2009, 09:36 AM
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Prince Harry, Chelsy Davy's '9-hour Christmas lovefest in London'

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London: Prince Harry and his on-off girlfriend Chelsy Davy have reportedly shared a nine-hour long steamy night at her London pad. Friends have said that the couple is in "the first flush of love again" after deciding to give their troubled relationship another chance.
Read more: Prince Harry, Chelsy Davy's '9-hour Christmas lovefest in London' - dnaindia.com
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Old 12-22-2009, 10:19 AM
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I think Harry and Chelsy are good together, and I wish them happiness, and to follow their hearts first.
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Old 12-22-2009, 05:47 PM
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I like Harry and Chelsy too but Harry is a Prince of Great Britain and I hope he stays in England to fulfill his duties.
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Old 12-22-2009, 06:44 PM
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Well, if William decides to procreate, eventually Harry's presence will be required much less, although Chelsy might not want to hang around that long.

But I will say that I am amazed, favorably, that Harry has a rather accomplished young woman as his girlfriend and they have maintained the relationship for quite a long time.
Even if William has children it will be awhile before they are old enough to perform royal duties so he needs his brother to help out until then. It's been said that Charles wants to narrow down the core royal family who have an HRH title and carry out duties so Harry will be much needed.
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Even if William has children it will be awhile before they are old enough to perform royal duties so he needs his brother to help out until then. It's been said that Charles wants to narrow down the core royal family who have an HRH title and carry out duties so Harry will be much needed.

This was reported 10 or more years ago but it is not said how far he wants to go with stopping the HRH.

Currently there are:

HRH The Duke of Edinburgh - aged 88
HRH The Prince of Wales - aged 61
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall - aged 62/63
HRH Prince William of Wales - aged 27
HRH Prince Harry of Wales - aged 25
HRH The Duke of York - aged 49
HRH Princess Beatrice of York - aged 21
HRH Princess Eugenie of Yord - aged 19
HRH The Earl of Wessex - aged 45
HRH The Countess of Wessex - aged 44
HRH The Princess Royal - aged 59
HRH The Duke of Gloucester - aged 65
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester - aged 63
HRH The Duke of Kent - aged 74
HRH The Duchess of Kent - aged 76
HRH Prince Michael of Kent - aged 67
HRH Princess Michael of Kent - aged 64
HRH Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Oglivy - aged 72 (will turn 73 on Christmas Day)

A total of 18 but of that 18 only 4 are currently under 30 and only another 3 under 50 with only 1 more under 60 so 8/18 are under 60 (with that to only last another 8 or so months).

Natural attrition will cut the number of HRHs over the next 20 years unless William and Harry have large families and I think that 2 is becoming the norm for the British main line royals - particularly in line with the current debate about climate change.

It is perfectly feasible that by the time William becomes King the only HRH's will be his brother, his children, Harry's children and Beatrice and Eugenie but if the HRH is restricted to say the children of the monarch and the grandchildren of the eldest son/child to strip it from Beatrice and Eugenie then Harry's children won't get it either.

I have deliberately not included Lady Louise and Viscount Severn, even though according to the 1917 LPs they are HRH, the advice from the Queen is that at the parent's request they are not using it and therefore I respect the Queen's advice and also do not do so or count them.
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