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I stayed up to watch it...and it was very surreal.

I'm sure in hindsight his family realize this was not the right decision to have been made regarding the role of the boys.
I think they knew it at the time. Watch the video: how Harry clings to his father. There is nothing healthy about any of it. They should never have walked and I think the BRF knew that, but were responding to the hysteria a-abroad. There was real hate being directed at the BRF, people are forgetting that.
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I can see that too...them giving in to pressure and I do remember the anger towards the media and the family. I've always been a bit mystified that the BRF was so caught off guard by it all, the reaction to her death and how they handled things afterward.
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Old 06-21-2017, 06:10 PM
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If you're thinking I hate Charles or rest of the family...you got me totally wrong and you're talking to the wrong one.
Understood. I was just following a line of (potential) logic, not necessarily ascribing it to you personally, though that is the way it may have seemed because of a juxtaposition of ideas.
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Old 06-21-2017, 06:54 PM
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It wasn't a mistake for the boys to walk behind their mother's coffin. Obviously, it was a painful time for the boys though.
I disagree--it was horrible for a not quite 13 year old and a 15 year old have to make that walk behind the coffin with all the eyes and cameras on them. I was very uncomfortable watching them the day of the funeral. Thank God the cameras stayed off them during the funeral itself. I felt such compassion for William and Harry--I knew what it was like to suddenly lose a parent as a young person.
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There are a couple of documentaries coming up to mark the twentieth anniversary of Diana's death in August and it's said that the brothers are going to speak then about their feelings regarding the aftermath of their mother's death, the atmosphere at the funeral, etc.

They therefore will expand on the things Harry has been quoted on in this interview. We are likely to get a clearer picture, IMO, of who they 'blame' (if anyone) for them doing that walk, as well as their coming down to London from Balmoral, seeing the public mourning, whether they were encouraged to talk about their mother in the days before the funeral, etc.

I think I'd rather wait for the docos and hear it all directly from the horses' mouth(s) so to speak, than from a printed interview, interesting though these often are. I realise that they will both be discreet but you can gather more from a TV interview in the way of physical expressions and demeanour than you can from the printed page, IMO. That's why I'm looking forward to these.
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Old 06-22-2017, 12:05 AM
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Harry certainly thinks it was.


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I stayed up to watch it...and it was very surreal.

I'm sure in hindsight his family realize this was not the right decision to have been made regarding the role of the boys.
I recently watched the documentary "7 Days That Shook The Windsors" and at that time it was an old-fashioned conference call with the BRF at Balmoral and on the other end, at BP were the Spencers and the Politicians. Guess whose idea it was for the boys to walk behind the gun carriage. Harry was in every way still a child and wanted to go to France with 'Papa' to bring Diana home. He also wanted to behind the gun carriage. William absolutely did not and it was a surprise to many "in the know" when he stepped out with Prince Philip.

I think that is what Harry is talking about. No child should be asked to do that because he was too young to know what he was saying yes to.

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Old 06-22-2017, 01:39 AM
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I recently watched the documentary "7 Days That Shook The Windsors" and at that time it was an old-fashioned conference call with the BRF at Balmoral and on the other end, at BP were the Spencers and the Politicians. Guess whose idea it was for the boys to walk behind the gun carriage. Harry was in every way still a child and wanted to go to France with 'Papa' to bring Diana home. He also wanted to behind the gun carriage. William absolutely did not and it was a surprise to many "in the know" when he stepped out with Prince Philip.

I think that is what Harry is talking about. No child should be asked to do that because he was too young to know what he was saying yes to.
Good point. But I wonder if Harry is indeed making that subtle point.
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It's being noted here in the British press that Harry didn't mention his father once in this long and broad ranging Newsweek interview. Take from that as much or as little as you want to.

I'm more concerned by Harry's comments that none of them really want to do what they have to, no one wants to succeed the Queen and they more or less do it 'for the good of the little people'. This is a very dangerous avenue to go down by Harry and he should realise that. I'm all for royals being reasonably frank in interviews, but this borders on whining IMO.
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Old 06-22-2017, 02:50 AM
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It's being noted here in the British press that Harry didn't mention his father once in this long and broad ranging Newsweek interview. Take from that as much or as little as you want to.

I'm more concerned by Harry's comments that none of them really want to do what they have to, no one wants to succeed the Queen and they more or less do it 'for the good of the little people'. This is a very dangerous avenue to go down by Harry and he should realise that. I'm all for royals being reasonably frank in interviews, but this borders on whining IMO.
I think that this was just sort of.."windsor-speak" from Harry, implying that no one would ever talk of wanting to succeed because it means the death of a beloved family member and monarch.

This is in the same vein as HM downplaying her long reign, as it is a result of her father dying so young.
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Old 06-22-2017, 02:59 AM
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No royal wants the throne, says Harry: Prince's astonishing claim about the future of the monarchy is revealed in extraordinary interview


No Royal Family member wants the throne, says Prince Harry | Daily Mail Online

not sure it is wise to say something like this at all, but if he does, Harry should only speak for himself, not for other people.
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Old 06-22-2017, 03:28 AM
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No royal wants the throne, says Harry: Prince's astonishing claim about the future of the monarchy is revealed in extraordinary interview


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not sure it is wise to say something like this at all, but if he does, Harry should only speak for himself, not for other people.

I agree. Harry sounds spoiled and peevish, and in any event, should only be speaking for himself.
Someone should venture to give him a hint that all this soul baring is not helping the RF.
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Old 06-22-2017, 03:39 AM
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In the long run, when a death happens to a very beloved family member, all of us have had moments where we just couldn't face up to it. For me, it was being by my dad's bedside while he was dying. A close family friend said to me almost the same thing as Philip said to William in the sense that if he didn't do it now (walk behind the coffin), it would be something he may regret in the future. It made sense to me and most likely to William too. Of course, our losses weren't so blatantly public with gawking masses and cameras focused on our every move and reaction. We were able to process death in private. William and Harry weren't allowed that.

Those two boys woke up to a morning where their young world had changed overnight and everything in the following days have had to have a feeling of unreality to them. Not only coming to grips with the death of their mother but realizing that the process of going through the stages of grief would be a very public thing.

To not want to be the monarch is not something new. Its a formidable destiny that hangs over one's head. It was expressed when our present Queen and her sister realized that their father had become King. Margaret said something along the lines to Elizabeth that "this means that someday you'll be Queen right?" When Elizabeth confirmed that, Margaret just stated "poor you".

The masses of the public may see being a King or Queen as a life of luxury and perks and privileges but those are that are raised close to the throne also realize the downsides to the role so much more. The loss of freedoms, the constant being in the public eye. The realizations of what the expectations of their roles entail and that its a duty that doesn't have an escape clause and is for life with no retirement into their golden years ahead. Its daunting to say the least.

History is filled with people that didn't want thrones. Harry isn't stating anything new here. Just because they'd rather not take on the role doesn't mean that that they wouldn't. The throne doesn't come to those because of a choice. It comes as a destiny and a duty.
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Old 06-22-2017, 03:49 AM
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To not want to be the monarch is not something new. Its a formidable destiny that hangs over one's head. It was expressed when our present Queen and her sister realized that their father had become King. Margaret said something along the lines to Elizabeth that "this means that someday you'll be Queen right?" When Elizabeth confirmed that, Margaret just stated "poor you".

The masses of the public may see being a King or Queen as a life of luxury and perks and privileges but those are that are raised close to the throne also realize the downsides to the role so much more. The loss of freedoms, the constant being in the public eye. The realizations of what the expectations of their roles entail and that its a duty that doesn't have an escape clause and is for life with no retirement into their golden years ahead. Its daunting to say the least.

History is filled with people that didn't want thrones. Harry isn't stating anything new here. Just because they'd rather not take on the role doesn't mean that that they wouldn't. The throne doesn't come to those because of a choice. It comes as a destiny and a duty.
But why speak for other people? Harry is so far down the line now that it is very unlikely he'll become King.

And it's not that the siblings without a proper royal job have lead the most joyful lives. The King/Queen has at least a job and knows what to do.
Margaret ended up very unhappy and Harry should be careful that the same fate will come to him, especially when looking to some of his uncles who feel so important when in reality they aren't.
Spares like Harry usually tend to take all the perks of royalty but don't really know what to do with themselves and whine about the downsides.
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Did he actually say 'for the good of the little people'?
No, he didn't. The correct quote - without unnecessary additions - is "for the greater good of the people".
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Old 06-22-2017, 04:04 AM
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Spares like Harry usually tend to take all the perks of royalty but don't really know what to do with themselves and whine about the downsides.
I think, like all those with royal roles before him, Harry had to come to grips with who he was, what was expected of him and as there are no playbooks that expressly outline a job description, its was a search Harry had to make to find not only himself, but a meaningful way to make his royal role into something that not only he could be successful at but also give him a personal sense of purpose. It was a challenge for him and a challenge that is still ongoing to this day. His passions are starting to manifest in the work he does. His search for personal happiness and family is ongoing. He is slowly but surely getting his feet securely on the ground determining which way his future is going to go and mesh a royal role that destiny placed on him with his own personal sense of how he wants his life to be. Its called growth.

All humanity enjoys the perks they may have whether it be environment, financial or any external condition. None of us grow into adulthood and the roles of our lives without seeing the downsides of it. We all bemoan something or the other that "could have been".
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Seems to me the Prince is as congentially unable to 'keep his trap shut' as his Mother was, and as it did with her, this will bring a good deal of trouble, both to himself and to 'the firm'..
In many ways I admire him greatly, but in this I do NOT..
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I think this should more be interpreted as no one "desires" the throne. It's a duty to take on, not reluctantly but with considerable trepidation.
Which IMO is a healthy and sound approach.

I would perhaps be a little more worried if Harry had said the heirs can't/couldn't wait to be the monarch.
Harry not wishing to be king himself is in my eyes a humble and respectful view on the role as monarch.
I also think it's an indication that Harry will be there to support his brother, because he know what a daunting task William is facing.

I don't look at this as whining, more as an honest account of how he feels. - And keep in mind that other heirs in other royal families have spoken about similar reservations, yet, as they grew older and in some cases took over, they have tried to do their very best.

I think Harry is in the position that he is able to say out aloud what his brother cannot say.
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I recently watched the documentary "7 Days That Shook The Windsors" and at that time it was an old-fashioned conference call with the BRF at Balmoral and on the other end, at BP were the Spencers and the Politicians. Guess whose idea it was for the boys to walk behind the gun carriage. Harry was in every way still a child and wanted to go to France with 'Papa' to bring Diana home. He also wanted to behind the gun carriage. William absolutely did not and it was a surprise to many "in the know" when he stepped out with Prince Philip.



I think that is what Harry is talking about. No child should be asked to do that because he was too young to know what he was saying yes to.



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Harry was a couple of weeks from turning 13. He wasn't a little boy.

Harry needs to stick to talking about Invictus instead of speaking for his entire family. He is undermining his father and brother who unlike Harry will be King.
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With being honest and upfront and open about who he is and his feelings about things that affect his life, Harry becomes more of a person in the eyes of the people the get to "know" him better. Its bridging a gap between how Harry is perceived as being Prince Henry of Wales, the second son of the Prince of Wales, heir apparent to Her Majesty, The Queen and Harry, the man, the human being who puts on one shoe at a time like we do.

Becoming more open and honest about who he is, his thoughts, his challenges and his doubts even is something that would serve us all well to emulate. Too often people only present a "facade" of who they are. Part of dropping that facade and actually being at one with oneself is letting what is inside of a person's makeup reflect in their exterior every day lives.

Isn't this the goal of good mental health? Its been stated that what Harry is doing is reflective of Diana's "opening her big trap". To me, its different. Diana's diatribes in public were to serve to build herself up by denigrating and bringing down something or someone else to do it. Harry is not doing that. He's talking about how things affected him personally, what he's found to have affected him personally and just why it affected him personally. His goal isn't to cast negativity on anyone one or the monarchy or his family or the fact that the rabbits got into his plants again and he aches to go "wabbit hunting" but in his own way, he's becoming a man comfortable enough in his own skin to be able to be that man openly and publicly. Warts and all.

I admire that.
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I think this should more be interpreted as no one "desires" the throne. It's a duty to take on, not reluctantly but with considerable trepidation.
Which IMO is a healthy and sound approach.

I would perhaps be a little more worried if Harry had said the heirs can't/couldn't wait to be the monarch.
Harry not wishing to be king himself is in my eyes a humble and respectful view on the role as monarch.
I also think it's an indication that Harry will be there to support his brother, because he know what a daunting task William is facing.

I don't look at this as whining, more as an honest account of how he feels. - And keep in mind that other heirs in other royal families have spoken about similar reservation, yet, as they grew older and in some cases took over, they have tried to do their very best.

I think Harry is in the position that he is able to say out aloud what his brother cannot say.
I agree with you Muhler, and as on so many other occasions, couldn't have said it better myself!
I will just add though, that the DM has a way of cherrypicking when it reprints interviews from other sources, so that an interview comes out skewed in many ways.
Also, words on a printed page are far more stark than in a televised or recorded interview. You often don't get nuances, a cheeky grin, twinkle in the eye, an emphasis on certain words in a sentence, Nor is it clear sometimes which part of the interview is in answer to a question being asked rather than a spontaneous statement coming out unbidden.
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