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Old 05-23-2017, 06:11 PM
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Yes, Thankyou Rudolph. However, missing from the printed text above but in the main article is the information that there was trouble with the technical quality of the recording of the speech. Also in the article were complaints about African slang in another recording and other difficulties.
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More forces veterans seeking mental health help after Harry campaign | Daily Mail Online

The Daily Fail reports a large number of ex vets are now seeking help for psychological problems following the Heads Together campaign and Harry speaking of his issues in not speaking out for years following his mother's death.

If true this is great as people do need to seek help if they need it. My only caveat is whether there are enough mental health professionals and counsellors available without extremely long waiting times.


This is very unfortunate because with the Cambridges and Harry working as a team on the Heads Together campaign, the number of people seeking treatment is growing.
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However, missing from the printed text above but in the main article is the information that there was trouble with the technical quality of the recording of the speech. Also in the article were complaints about African slang in another recording and other difficulties.
Brings back memories of wearing headphones and sometimes shaky tape recorded Spanish speakers during the "Escuche y escribe" (Listen and write) portions of my own exams.

IMHO using the recordings of Harry's speech along with use of colloquial dialogue would not be my first choice for the listening portion of the foreign language exam. Wouldn't it be better to have a native English speaker reading a clearly enunciated script free of any slang be the optimal choice?

Harry was likely recorded speaking to an audience of other English speakers and not a group of English as a second language learners. When conversing with a non-native speaker don't most of us do our best to clearly enunciate our words and avoid colloquialisms?

Sorry the exam writers should have provided a more appropriate set of listening selections for their students. The fault lies with them IMO.
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Your right Curryong Harry does move around the stage and looks very professional when giving a speech. I have long thought he's had some training and what a great idea to do so. It is such a big part of the job it would be wise to have some training. Princess Mary is also someone who looks at ease when speaking
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The rise of Prince Harry:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/378568...al-family/amp/
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Harry certainly is a natural with people regardless of age, from playing with babies to kissing grandma's and that is an amazing age spread. The BRF are very lucky that Harry has turned out that way and William even more so as Harry seems to have his back regardless of the circumstances.

William seems to function better in highly structured engagements, which is very important because he's the one that is going to lead the "Ceremonial Charge" so to speak. But Harry is there to lighten the atmosphere and help take the pressure off, making him the best brother he can be and more importantly, a very important lynchpin in the firm.
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No child should be asked to do what I did, says Prince Harry about Diana's death - Belfast Newsletter

Interesting.
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Indeed. As Harry is getting older and mature enough to genuinely reflect on his life we get a deeper insight into his character. - Which may not be as shallow as many unfortunately believed.
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Exactly. It was unutterably the wrong thing to have allowed to have happen. Both William and Harry should have been left alone at Balmoral. The tabloids (and perhaps the PM) have a great deal to answer for regarding how they fed into the Diana-mania-fannish-hysteria, rather than let sanity prevail. (I hope Harry understands how the BRF's hand was being forced, and does not 'blame' them for the ordeal; it had everything to do with the public mania at the time). IMO.
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Exactly. It was unutterably the wrong thing to have allowed to have happen. Both William and Harry should have been left alone at Balmoral. The tabloids (and perhaps the PM) have a great deal to answer for regarding how they fed into the Diana-mania-fannish-hysteria, rather than let sanity prevail. (I hope Harry understands how the BRF's hand was being forced, and does not 'blame' them for the ordeal; it had everything to do with the public mania at the time). IMO.
It wasn't a mistake for the boys to walk behind their mother's coffin. Obviously, it was a painful time for the boys though.
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I figure, and I find it interesting both he and William have recently made these sorts of statements about X shouldn't of happened, both those boys were in a state of shock and one of the PR folks thought it would be a good idea for them to be very visible after all the negative press the family received. A shame one of the adults in his life didn't put a stop to it.


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It wasn't a mistake for the boys to walk behind their mother's coffin. Obviously, it was a painful time for the boys though.
Harry certainly thinks it was.


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It wasn't a mistake for the boys to walk behind their mother's coffin. Obviously, it was a painful time for the boys though.
How can you say that? Harry himself is letting you know it wasn't okay, that it was a mistake. He was a child and as such was a victim of that time; he is letting people know that. It's an amazing statement and important for people to hear and digest. In that instance 'the public' had no 'right' to see those children at such a vulnerable time. A boundary was crossed.
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Yes exactly..he's stating very clearly the line was crossed. You can bet your last dollar if Harry has children he's going to be very much like William when it comes to protecting their privacy...he's not going to want them to experience all that he and his brother went thru with the media.


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Harry certainly thinks it was.


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He didn't say he wish he never did it. He just said that it's something no child should have to go through it. I agree. Having to bury your parent at that age must've been very painful.

The big problem is that William and Harry weren't giving the proper grief counseling that they needed at that time.
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He didn't say he wish he never did it. He just said that it's something no child should have to go through it. I agree. Having to bury your parent at that age must've been very painful.

The big problem is that William and Harry weren't giving the proper grief counseling that they needed at that time.
That last statement isn't right. What Harry has said recently is that they were offered help but he refused to talk. And you cannot make someone talk.

That's why the Head Together Campaign is about "talking", and that its ok to talk.
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I figure, and I find it interesting both he and William have recently made these sorts of statements about X shouldn't of happened, both those boys were in a state of shock and one of the PR folks thought it would be a good idea for them to be very visible after all the negative press the family received. A shame one of the adults in his life didn't put a stop to it.


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Yeah.

I think everyone were in a state of shock. The BRF, the court, the public and the press. So no really knew how to deal with it.
I think those who reacted the most healthy was in fact the public, who expressed their shock, horror, grief and anger openly.
The press got a hard time as well, with lots of verbal abuse (which they have since conveniently put out of their minds).
The public needed to show their sympathy to someone and that someone were William and Harry, something they probably couldn't understand at the time. To them their mother was dead and that's pretty devastating for any child, and they couldn't be allowed to mourn in peace.
For the rest of the BRF, they IMO had to walk that walk, all they lacked was each carrying a cross to make the symbolism complete. A walk of penance.

It sure was weird to watch!
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He didn't say he wish he never did it. He just said that it's something no child should have to go through it. I agree. Having to bury your parent at that age must've been very painful.

The big problem is that William and Harry weren't giving the proper grief counseling that they needed at that time.
We shall have to agree to disagree on this. It's pretty clear after reading what he said...it shouldn't of happened, he shouldn't of had to walk behind his mother's casket and all that took place in public. He shouldn't of ever been put into that situation.


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He didn't say he wish he never did it. He just said that it's something no child should have to go through it. I agree. Having to bury your parent at that age must've been very painful.

The big problem is that William and Harry weren't giving the proper grief counseling that they needed at that time.
You are giving his comment the spin that exonerates the fannish-passion that made his walking behind his mother's coffin (at his tender age), with thousands of eyes upon him, 'necessary'.

Now, rather than see that the hysteria did damage to a child, it becomes that the boys weren't given 'the proper grief counseling that they needed', and whose fault would that be (by inference)? The BRF, of course; Charles, of course. So the rationale for hating Charles and blaming the BRF continues. When will it end? Why not accept that everyone at the time did the best they could (and made some mistakes). With the 20/20 vision of our 'enlightened' present it's easy to ascribe blame but it was a shocking moment and everyone did what they could. We know The Queen and Philip and Charles did not want to parade the boys in front of the public, but the public were angrily calling to see 'the boys', and even spoke to 'the boys' once they did show up in ways that were just not okay (imo). Very puzzling phenomenon.
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That last statement isn't right. What Harry has said recently is that they were offered help but he refused to talk. And you cannot make someone talk.

That's why the Head Together Campaign is about "talking", and that its ok to talk.
Right, but I think someone should've worked with him and William privately and over time they would've talked. There was a lot stiff upper lips and simply moving on around them and that obviously wasn't much help. Sometimes it takes awhile for kids to talk about their heavy grief and they very often need years of counseling to help them out along the way.

The Heads Together Campaign is a great way of getting rid of the stiff upper lips around grief and get people to talking now and not later.


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You are giving his comment the spin that exonerates the fannish-passion that made his walking behind his mother's coffin (at his tender age), with thousands of eyes upon him, 'necessary'.

Now, rather than see that the hysteria did damage to a child, it becomes that the boys weren't given 'the proper grief counseling that they needed', and whose fault would that be (by inference)? The BRF, of course; Charles, of course. So the rationale for hating Charles and blaming the BRF continues. When will it end? Why not accept that everyone at the time did the best they could (and made some mistakes). With the 20/20 vision of our 'enlightened' present it's easy to ascribe blame but it was a shocking moment and everyone did what they could. We know The Queen and Philip and Charles did not want to parade the boys in front of the public, but the public were angrily calling to see 'the boys', and even spoke to the boys once they did show up inlays that were just not okay imo. Very puzzling phenomenon.
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Yeah.

I think everyone were in a state of shock. The BRF, the court, the public and the press. So no really knew how to deal with it.
I think those who reacted the most healthy was in fact the public, who expressed their shock, horror, grief and anger openly.
The press got a hard time as well, with lots of verbal abuse (which they have since conveniently put out of their minds).
The public needed to show their sympathy to someone and that someone were William and Harry, something they probably couldn't understand at the time. To them their mother was dead and that's pretty devastating for any child, and they couldn't be allowed to mourn in peace.
For the rest of the BRF, they IMO had to walk that walk, all they lacked was each carrying a cross to make the symbolism complete. A walk of penance.

It sure was weird to watch!

I stayed up to watch it...and it was very surreal.

I'm sure in hindsight his family realize this was not the right decision to have been made regarding the role of the boys.
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