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Old 10-25-2009, 02:46 AM
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I would like to have seen them doing more on the job training of the sort you mentioned in Post 84 above. I would also have liked to see William do more formal training at university level in subjects such as political science.

My concern with studying at university in subjects like political science is that they will have NO political power and that will only educate them about stuff that they can't do.

William's political role is to advise, warn and be consulted along with sign the legislation but he has no say or power which is why constitutional understanding is important but political science isn't.

I too would like to see them doing more full-timen royal duties in time - William in about 5 or so years and Harry in about 20 years. I think they should be spending less 'free-time' on holidays and more of that time doing royal duties and I would also like them to be spending their holidays in Britian rather than thumbing their wealth down the throats of ordinary British citizens seeing as they are now in the longest recession of the Queen's reign.
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Old 10-25-2009, 03:08 AM
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Though William won't have any political power, I think that if he is to advise and warn, he should understand enough about the subject to be able to give advice and warnings. I would like to see him study not just political science, but also history and any other relevant subject. Such studies would broaden his mind and expose him to a range of ideas, which is good for anyone IMO.
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Old 10-25-2009, 04:19 AM
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Though William won't have any political power, I think that if he is to advise and warn, he should understand enough about the subject to be able to give advice and warnings. I would like to see him study not just political science, but also history and any other relevant subject. Such studies would broaden his mind and expose him to a range of ideas, which is good for anyone IMO.

Not studying them at uni doesn't mean he hasn't studied them in his private instructional sessions with the experts at Windsor and with his grandmother who arranged those sessions while he was at school.

I personally think that the Queen knows what her heirs need to know and will have ensured that they have had that education but not necessarily in the school or uni setting but rather personalised to the needs of the British monarch and their unique position. In other words he has had one on one tuition for his needs rather than a generic course that would have a lot of irrelevant material for the position he will one day fulfil.
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Old 10-25-2009, 04:53 AM
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The Queen knows what her heirs need to know to do the job the way she has done it for so long. She has done the job well, but I just feel that there might be more than one way of doing it, and that it doesn't hurt to have input from different sources, and an external education, which might give him a different perspective which could be useful.

IMO to say that William only needs to know what HM considers he needs to know to do the job she's doing is like saying that a higher education is wasted on women who give up work and become full time mothers as all they need to know is what their mothers knew about looking after a home and children.

I believe that the acquisition of knowledge for its own sake is a good thing, and that giving William a broad education is as valid as giving mothers a broad education. It might not be relevant to the performance of William's ultimate public role, but that doesn't mean it's not relevant to his private self.

But for all I know William might have a wide range of intellectual interests and be an avid reader on a range of topics.
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Old 10-25-2009, 08:09 AM
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I would like to have seen them doing more on the job training of the sort you mentioned in Post 84 above. I would also have liked to see William do more formal training at university level in subjects such as political science.
Why may I ask? What will going back to univerisity to do a another degree accomplish?

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Though William won't have any political power, I think that if he is to advise and warn, he should understand enough about the subject to be able to give advice and warnings. I would like to see him study not just political science, but also history and any other relevant subject. Such studies would broaden his mind and expose him to a range of ideas, which is good for anyone IMO.
I think he will understand how to do the job he was born to do when it comes to that day, i don't think The Queen or Prince Charles will let him sit on the throne unprepared.

I'm sure William and Harry would have studied History at Eton, enough to cover what he needs. He obviously doesn't particularly like to subject if he didn't take it at University.


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The Queen knows what her heirs need to know to do the job the way she has done it for so long. She has done the job well, but I just feel that there might be more than one way of doing it, and that it doesn't hurt to have input from different sources, and an external education, which might give him a different perspective which could be useful.
I'm sorry but "more than one way of doing it" our country has run pretty smoothly on they way things have been done the past so many hundred years. More than one way to be a king?

Again input from different sources?
He can only recieve the information he needs to be king from a very few people.

External education? I believe he has recieved that. At Eton and at St Andrews.
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Old 10-25-2009, 05:44 PM
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Why may I ask? What will going back to univerisity to do a another degree accomplish?
Broaden his knowledge base and analytical powers and give him different points of view. He may not need this to be king in the mould of Elizabeth, but I still think it would benefit him. But I don't seem him taking on another degree course at this stage.

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I'm sure William and Harry would have studied History at Eton, enough to cover what he needs. He obviously doesn't particularly like to subject if he didn't take it at University.
There are lots subjects I would have liked to study at university but couldn't as part of the course I did take. Perhaps William also has other interests.

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I'm sorry but "more than one way of doing it" our country has run pretty smoothly on they way things have been done the past so many hundred years. More than one way to be a king?
Yes, especially taking into account the changes that have taken place in society since 1952. We know Charles has some different views about how certain things should be done; he would like to be defender of faith rather than the faith. He has already broken tradition by marrying a divorced woman who has a husband living, and that has had consequences in relation to the way the RF is viewed and, I understand, fed republican sentiment in some quarters. We are reading about the size of the working royal family being reduced. The day to day operation of the RF has been modernised significantly during HM's reign; footmen no longer run along corridors hand-delivering messages between the different family members' offices. We no longer see royal servants wearing powdered wigs. HM had a room set up for Moslem staff members to pray. She has changed with the times to some extent during her reign but she is a conservative and religious woman and her reign has been stamped with her personality and sense of duty and views about how things should be done.

Each incumbent will bring his or her own personality and opinions into the role. IMO the more ideas William is exposed to about about a wide range of subjects, the more up to date and relevant he will be, and better able to relate to and understand the British people. We read that the RF could not comprehend the reaction of the public to Diana's death, which suggests to me that a broader, more objective, external education about constitutional matters might not be a bad thing rather than in-house tutoring from people selected by HM. I think it would have been a good thing if he had obtained some of his education in another country, perhaps the US.

But these are just my views and everyone is entitled to their own and yours may well be more valid than mine. My original theme was that William should be being made ready to step up the line now because there is no guarantee that he will have 20 or more years to progress through the various stages that seem to have been plotted for him. Then again, I suppose if he were suddenly elevated his training would escalate accordingly.
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Old 10-26-2009, 03:20 AM
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My original theme was that William should be being made ready to step up the line now because there is no guarantee that he will have 20 or more years to progress through the various stages that seem to have been plotted for him. Then again, I suppose if he were suddenly elevated his training would escalate accordingly.

You have evidence that he isn't 'being made ready to step up the line now' have you?

If so could you please produce it.

Just because we aren't being told everything that he is doing isn't proof that he isn't ready to become King tomorrow if that should happen. I actually do believe that he could step in tomorrow because his father and grandmother have prepared him for that eventuality but at the same time realise that he should be allowed to have as much time away from the full duties as possible - partly because they couldn't as they were/are the direct heir and, in the case of the Queen was the monarch at the age he is now.
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:01 PM
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I do not purport to have "evidence" on that point, merely opinions I have formed based on my observations. Though I think that recent incident with the father of the soldier who was killed in Iraq is evidence that he has a bit to learn about how to handle that sort of situation.

If needs be William could, of course, step into the role of monarch tomorrow. There are scores of courtiers and other people available to provide guidance and assistance.
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Old 10-27-2009, 08:57 AM
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Excuse me for intruding but don't the royal houses employ advisers? Or at least have well educated and well informed contacts?
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Old 10-28-2009, 12:40 AM
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Wow, I had no idea they had so many employees in the Royal household! I've heard some of them also get free room and board. That would be cool to work for the monarchy.
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Old 11-01-2009, 05:45 PM
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After seeing the thread on the India State visit I would like to see William and Harry participate in a State banquet from time to time. When do you guys think this will start happening?
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Old 11-01-2009, 11:15 PM
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I think it would be highly inappropriate. William and Harry can have their screaming fans, the girlfriends, specualtion about their love lives and potential wives. None, and I repeat none of that has any place at a state banquet.

The Queen is hosting heads of state on behalf of the government. It's all about diplomacy, trade, allies, etc. It is not just a really good nosh up and more importantly, it is not about the princes! On an even more serious note, they might be treated like rock stars by some, but there are more than a few of the international movers and shakers who would be less than impressed sitting next to the 'C' team. What are they going to talk about over dinner? Cocktails?

Leave the lads to their flying, polo and socializing, it is in that sphere that they are generating the next generation (hopefully) of monarchists.
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Old 11-01-2009, 11:51 PM
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I think you're a bit harsh on them. William has a good knowledge. He has a Scottish Master of Arts and a upper second class honours in geography plus the fact that he has knowledge in other topics such as enviromental. Harry studied geography, biology, mathematics and art history at Eton so I think they could manage to talk to someone without talking about cocktails.

But I agree with you on the fact that neither William or Harry should be on state banquets as the Queen is the hostess as head of state and represent the government. William will have his turn when he's the host
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But I agree with you on the fact that neither William or Harry should be on state banquets as the Queen is the hostess as head of state and represent the government. William will have his turn when he's the host.
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But I agree with you on the fact that neither William or Harry should be on state banquets as the Queen is the hostess as head of state and represent the government. William will have his turn when he's the host.
Well maybe when his father is the host. But definitely no sooner.
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I'm sorry but "more than one way of doing it" our country has run pretty smoothly on they way things have been done the past so many hundred years. More than one way to be a king?
No, more than one way to learn. Queen Elizabeth (QM) wasn't overly concerned with education while Queen Mary was more astute. As well as taking the young Princess Elizabeth to various exhibitions, she would host regular luncheons where the Princess would meet/listen/converse with/learn from a very wide range of people from all walks of society: politics, law, finance, science, the arts etc. I would imagine that the Queen does the same and it's a sure bet that Charles does. There are also the experts who are brought in, the private tutoring, the private visits and talks... all the things that go into preparing a future monarch that take place well out of the public eye.
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Old 11-02-2009, 04:24 PM
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I think you're a bit harsh on them. William has a good knowledge. He has a Scottish Master of Arts and a upper second class honours in geography plus the fact that he has knowledge in other topics such as enviromental. Harry studied geography, biology, mathematics and art history at Eton so I think they could manage to talk to someone without talking about cocktails.

But I agree with you on the fact that neither William or Harry should be on state banquets as the Queen is the hostess as head of state and represent the government. William will have his turn when he's the host

Although William shouldn't be hosting state banquets he should be attending when his grandmother sees him as ready and/or available due to other duties just as his father, aunt and uncles attend now.


As 2nd in line I would expect William to be attending state banquets in a few years and most from then on.
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Who (staff wise) are Prince Williams closest and most powerful advisors besides Her Majesty and Prince Charles? What exactly do they do? (not private secretary or persons merely responsible for schedule/calendars)
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I think you're a bit harsh on them. William has a good knowledge. He has a Scottish Master of Arts and a upper second class honours in geography plus the fact that he has knowledge in other topics such as enviromental. Harry studied geography, biology, mathematics and art history at Eton so I think they could manage to talk to someone without talking about cocktails.
All of which means very little in the real world, I also wouldn't expect them to know how to mix a cocktail, just whether they like it or not. Most people do not sit down and discuss geography, art history, maths or biology at banquets. The most popular discussions seem to be about current affairs, (and that should be where they talk without disclosing an opinion), however, it is not acceptable to talk about religion or politics.
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Although William shouldn't be hosting state banquets he should be attending when his grandmother sees him as ready and/or available due to other duties just as his father, aunt and uncles attend now.


As 2nd in line I would expect William to be attending state banquets in a few years and most from then on.
Just to clarify I wasn't asking when he would host in place of the Queen, only attend with the rest of the royals. A few years seems like a reasonable time frame or like you said whenever the Queen deems it appropriate.
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