Do you think Harry (or Wills) will ever date outside their race?

[Princejohnny25]

I had always liked the French Idea of a nation. That a nation is not a nation because of its race and blood but more by the a unity in culture and laungage. That was one of the main differences it had with Germany in the early 20th Century. Germany though race is what made a nation. I know that multiculturism is such a big part of america but I had no idea people were so terrified of it in europe. I remember learning in history lessons on how the europeans would ridicule us for having race problems in the 50's and they praised themselves for not having those problems. That was becaust the nations were still homogenous and I guess it is only know that multiculturism is taking root and I guess they will have to go through some trouble like we did before an equilibrium is reached. I just though europe was way ahead of us when it comes to acceptance and tolerance.

[ysbel]

Originally Posted by Princejohnny25

I know that multiculturism is such a big part of america but I had no idea people were so terrified of it in europe.

It's not that Europeans are terrified of it - European nations don't have a self-concept that includes multiculturalism. You have to remember that more people were emigrating out of Europe rather than immigrating to it until very recently. But the U.S. was always a culture where people settled from somewhere else. The U.S. by definition is a nation of immigrants. In Europe, that's not historically true.

[Princejohnny25]

But they have so much pride in being more tolerant and accepting. More advanced than us. I just would have never thought that there would be so much trouble. I mean Europe had no trouble invading all these lands. Karma is a (insert curse word). People from those countries are going to live in Britian and other parts of Europe know. Its just the way things work.

[lizz70]

Originally Posted by Princejohnny25

Yes it is majority white. But there are plenty of indians, muslims, and blacks that have made an impact on the culture. It is not a mockery to have a royal family with real people. Trying to keep the perfect white image will bring contribute to its downfall IMO. They dont need to be all white and straight to be good representives for their nation and good royals.

Johnny, I don't know if you keep up with the uk but we have had recent racial problems in Birmingham between the black community and the asian community - it isn't a white supremacy thing at all. White people are not the only people complaining - our immigration policy has gone haywire and people who were themselves immigrants 30. 40 . 50 years ago from distant parts of the then British Empire, have themselves said that immigration is out of control and there are too many different nationalities/races in such a tiny island.

[melissajames]

Originally Posted by lizz70

Johnny, I don't know if you keep up with the uk but we have had recent racial problems in Birmingham between the black community and the asian community - it isn't a white supremacy thing at all. White people are not the only people complaining - our immigration policy has gone haywire and people who were themselves immigrants 30. 40 . 50 years ago from distant parts of the then British Empire, have themselves said that immigration is out of control and there are too many different nationalities/races in such a tiny island.

So true. It's a very valid point that we should not easily assume for eg that all blacks share the same view just because they share the same ethinicity nor should we assume the same for the whites, Asians...etc

[lizz70]

Originally Posted by babybird

How true Johnny, we have seen more than our fair share of racial strife and segregation, so much so that I think we can tell hate from pride. I think the royal famiy is fine the way it is but I don't think there would be anything wrong if one of the boys were to date outside there race.



I know multiracialism should not be forced but the fact remains that the worlds population is growing and people are going to have to get used to living with people who are different from themselves.

I guess the principality of Liechtenstein is a little more evolved when it comes to tolerance and change.

Lichtenstein has not seen mass immigartion on the same scale as the rest of Europe and it is still a very small, very exclusive enclave - so I feel this isnot a good analogy. BTW, we have had plenty of racial problems here in the UK so we do know what we are talking about and it has nothing to do with hatred at all.

[lizz70]

Originally Posted by Princejohnny25

But they have so much pride in being more tolerant and accepting. More advanced than us. I just would have never thought that there would be so much trouble. I mean Europe had no trouble invading all these lands. Karma is a (insert curse word). People from those countries are going to live in Britian and other parts of Europe know. Its just the way things work.

You are looking at history (whether good or bad) through the eyes of someone living in 2006. Wea ll know that back then sensibilities and attitudes were not the same as they are now.

[lizz70]

Originally Posted by Queen Amina

Hello, everyone

I've been lurking for a while but after reading your conversations I decided to post a comment. I understant that fot some Britons the forced intergration is very hard to take and that should be expected however, some people need to be reminded of the fact that a lot of the ethnic minorities were invited to come to Britain in the sixties and that invitation hasn't been officially rescinded. On the other hand it should also be acknowledged that a lot of ethinc minorities are racist as well. I'm a Nigerian living in Britain and I have observed racism from both sides. A lot of ethnic minorities would never accept a white person marrying into their family that includes some members of my extended family so I think its a bit hypocritical for it to be wrong for a white person not wanting another ethnicity in the family while its ok for a minority. With regard to nationalism I think a lot of people mistake protecting and having pride in one's nationality with having to reject every thing else.

As for William and Harry I think they'll marry white girls because most of the people in their cirlce are caucasian and they will marry within that circle. Thats ok and I'm not dismayed by it because ultimately they will have to live with their spouses and they need people who they are compatible with not some PC bride to assuage the minorities with because that is a cruel and unfair thing to ask of them.

That's just my opinion I hope I didn't offend anyone.:)

Very well said Queen Amina - you hit ithe nail on the head

[lizz70]

Originally Posted by Princejohnny25

I had always liked the French Idea of a nation. That a nation is not a nation because of its race and blood but more by the a unity in culture and laungage. That was one of the main differences it had with Germany in the early 20th Century. Germany though race is what made a nation. I know that multiculturism is such a big part of america but I had no idea people were so terrified of it in europe. I remember learning in history lessons on how the europeans would ridicule us for having race problems in the 50's and they praised themselves for not having those problems. That was becaust the nations were still homogenous and I guess it is only know that multiculturism is taking root and I guess they will have to go through some trouble like we did before an equilibrium is reached. I just though europe was way ahead of us when it comes to acceptance and tolerance.

You think France is integrated?????? Read the news please and you will see it isn't so. For myself, I don't care about the colour of someone's skin as long as they are a good person but I do object to being told how to think and feel by politically correct zealots who are out of touch with reality and usually live well away from areas that have troubles whether race related or economic or whatever.

[lizz70]

By the way I mean members of the UK government when I said politically correct zealots

[pinkylou]

as a british person living in the UK, i am horrified by the people in this discussion who are representing the UK values. anyway who says that britain hasn't been affected by multicultural values are wrong, curry is the most favourite dish in the Uk( also favoured by the queen and prince harry), rap is sung by all teenagers, indian and asian fashion has swept the UK in the past and even asian inspired t.v and film have swept the UK ( kumars at No 42 and The GURU), children in schools interact from an early age with diverse cultures, learning new languages and understanding new cultures. prince Charles an avid admirer of Islam and its art is a patron of many multi ethnic minorty charities. all these so-called 'we live in britain/ u jus don't kno how it is bcoz u don't' are eitha lying or jus don't have a clue. so what if harry and william marry from a different race its high time they did. THE ROYAL FAMILY REPRESENTS NOT ONLY THE UNITED KINGDOM BUT ALSO THE COMMONWEALTH AMONGST THEM INDIA,SOUTH AFRICA(MOST OF ITS INHABITANTS ARE BLACK) AND JAMICA, SO NOT ONLY IS THE QUEEN, QUEEN OF GREAT BRITAIN BUT ANOTHER 25 COUNTRIES. so its about time they cared and reflected this. remember they use up all the other countries taxes too, so its time they paid up in return.

[MOLEY]

back to willaim and harry, they have never been seen to socialise outside their class and type so it's very very doubtful they would go-out with or marry somebody of a different race, and don't we have in the extended royal family hon. james lascelles son of earl of harewood (HRH princess mary princess royal countess of harewood 1897-1965) distant i know but togeter with woman of differnet race and culture have 2 daughters, Lady gabriella is unofficially engaged to a chap from india ( or thereabouts), Lady davina windsor married a moari builder at kensington palace almost 2 years ago so it can happen but for the main line i can't see it myself.

[BeatrixFan]

anyway who says that britain hasn't been affected by multicultural values are wrong, curry is the most favourite dish in the Uk( also favoured by the queen and prince harry), rap is sung by all teenagers, indian and asian fashion has swept the UK in the past and even asian inspired t.v and film have swept the UK ( kumars at No 42 and The GURU), children in schools interact from an early age with diverse cultures, learning new languages and understanding new cultures. prince Charles an avid admirer of Islam and its art is a patron of many multi ethnic minorty charities.

Yes but that doesn't mean we like it my dear. Some of us would rather it wasn't that way. Some of us wish we were Britain again and not yet another country made up of the sweepings of all the rest.

[pinkylou]

i live in kent in a diverse community, and it seems to me that the community loves the diversity and different cultures that are propping up, anyway you are casting off people who only know britain as their country but seem only to have the wrong skin colour, they speak the language with the accents and dialects intact, they eat the same food, had the same education, have got the same qualifications, are paying the same tax, are helping the economy, know the difference between coronation street and eastenders, oh but THEY'RE BLACK, what a crime

[BeatrixFan]

Oh Kent! What a charming little place. You've room to move, you aren't surrounded by filth and squalor pouring out of every disgusting doorway like we are in London where we've now got permanent tourists. Try living here for a week and your view of multi-cultural Britain will soon change.

[melissajames]

Originally Posted by BeatrixFan

Oh Kent! What a charming little place. You've room to move, you aren't surrounded by filth and squalor pouring out of every disgusting doorway like we are in London where we've now got permanent tourists. Try living here for a week and your view of multi-cultural Britain will soon change.

I don't like living in London either, but I don't think the multi-cultural side has anything to do with it.

I have seen British caucasians put their feet up (with their shoes) on the seats on buses, have seen them caught shop lifting, have seen them spit and swear in public places. So I wouldn't say the things which I don't like about London are exclusively related to the people who are not British or Br caucasian.

[Princejohnny25]

I never said France was integrated I just liked the way they view what a nation is. Im sorry but I am disgusted with these peoples attitudes. Things that Britian did in the past impact the future and that includes the colonial past. Britian is going to be diversed and it multicultural. Saying otherwise is dilusional. Some minoritys are racist because there cultures havent forgiven britian for invading and taking over. All these people need to let the past rest and join the 21st Century. Racial tensions like this shouldnt really be prominent.

[pinkylou]

by the way i've lived in london(peckham) actually for 7 years so i do know how it feels, and a minority of londoners(of all races) have disgusting habits, and yes the crime rates are pretty high but please don't blame it on other races

[BeatrixFan]

I've lived in London all my life. And in the early years it was charming. A beautiful place - and yes crime happened and yes there was mess. But never like it is now and I personally blame that on immigrants. Surely thats obvious?

[pinkylou]

or the fact that the government aren't paying enough attention to london, yes its craamed, dirty but we've got to b realistic its a city, name me one city in the world that is clean and has loads of space and who don't have any so-called dirty immigrants