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Old 03-12-2006, 05:07 PM
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Moley, do you mean that the council converted the school from a Christian school to a Muslim school and that Christian children can no longer attend this school unless they convert?

Or are the local Christians not happy to send their kids to a Muslim school even if the school would have them?

christians are not allowed to attend as it is for muslims only and yes the council sold the school to the musim community. it is now over protected with higher walls built and the lovely murals are now painted over and the main hall was used for evening classes and summer classes for all people and now its like a fortress in amongst an area of white cardiffians who are not welcome. its such a lovely victorian building.
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Old 03-12-2006, 05:15 PM
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Our local Protestant Church is being demolished - it's been heading that way for years sadly. The Muslim Council of Great Britain have said that there isn't a mosque in our town and they are planning to buy the site and have a mosque built - so Moley, it's happening everywhere. So you see people, this is the current climate in Britain - if anything, William and Harry would be seen as joining ranks with the PC brigade and I would see it as an insult.
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Old 03-12-2006, 05:47 PM
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christians are not allowed to attend as it is for muslims only and yes the council sold the school to the musim community. it is now over protected with higher walls built and the lovely murals are now painted over and the main hall was used for evening classes and summer classes for all people and now its like a fortress in amongst an area of white cardiffians who are not welcome. its such a lovely victorian building.
It's a shame that its now become like an army barracks. I can see in this context that the way the council had done this with the aim of creating more facilities for the muslim community is actually increasing the divide and increasing the tension rather than the opposite.
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Old 03-12-2006, 05:55 PM
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Multi-culturalism is a 'buzz' word for the government. You cannot force integration and let us not forget that there are minority peoples who do not wish to integrate and would not welcome an indigenous white British person in the family. As BeatrixFan said, you can call it racism but it actually cuts both ways. People may live in the same towns and cities but that is a world away from an integrated multicultural society in the true sense. It is a very difficult issue and not as cut and dried as politicians would like people to believe.
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Old 03-12-2006, 06:25 PM
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if anything, William and Harry would be seen as joining ranks with the PC brigade and I would see it as an insult.

If Harry or Will happened to fall in love with someone of a different race you would find it insulting, Why? I understand that no one wants to be forced to intergrate with people of different races but if two people choose to be together why would that offend you or anyone else?

I, myself am the product of an interacial marriage(mom black/dad white). So I know how hateful people can be. I have seen up close and personal, when I go out with my dad and when I have heard the comments people make when my parents go out together and people make nasty comments.
why, if two people are choosing to be together would strangers take it so personally?


Don't get me wrong I also doubt that Will or Harry will date outside of their race, but I think it is sad that if they did people would be personally offended and see it as an betrayal. When it is really just their own personal choice.

Pleae help me understand why you would be personally insulted? I think it would help me to understand peoples reaction to my family.

Please dont see this as an attack on you. I respect your opinions, even if I dont agree with all of them. I think a civilized discussion on race is a good thing.
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Old 03-12-2006, 06:39 PM
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I don't take it as an attack so don't worry. I just wouldn't be happy with a black or half-caste member of the Royal Family I'm afraid. And that's me being honest.
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Old 03-12-2006, 08:43 PM
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in America, california has now majority hispanic and lets just say many people(whites in particular) are not happy this.
Here here to that! I'm looking for a white enclave tosend my children to away from a lot of social ills that are produced by the government with its multiculturalism. I want my child to be proud of their heritage as well as those who's rights have pushed my child out the door. Sorry to sound sooo harsh!:) You should read what they teach kindergarten children now in California. Go to google and read the propositions that have been passed.

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Old 03-12-2006, 08:57 PM
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There not allowed to marry a catholic because of an archaic law but they are allowed to marry Buddists, Hindus and Muslims. That has no relevance as to whether they will marry someone outside of their race. Race and religion are two completely different things. IMHO, there wouldnt really be that big of a deal. For Harry there would be no deal and maybe some commotion for William but that would quickly dissapear if his wife shows good traits and qualities.
Really? I had no idea they could marry someone of the Hindu or Muslim faith. Can you imagine one of the royal boys announcing he wants to marry someone of Hindu or Muslim faith? How do you think people would react?
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:01 PM
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I don't take it as an attack so don't worry. I just wouldn't be happy with a black or half-caste member of the Royal Family I'm afraid. And that's me being honest.
Neither would I be too happy. I think it would be only to bow down to pressure to save the monarchy. From every sign I've seen, the boys are looking towards their own race to marry and raise children. It's good nationalism to be that way. Too bad the Western governments see that it's wrong to be nationalistic if you are caucausian and yet bring it on if you are not no matter if it is in your own country or not.

Minorities are very proud of their race and ethnicity and will not be afraid to show it or say it. But, not for the caucasians and from what I've seen and hear coming out of Britain, it's a thought crime to think about who you are if you are caucasian and a thought crime to voice your criticism of the social ills of your community if the social ills are pointing to a ill not of caucasian doing.

But, this question has really fired us up. I do see that my compatriots in the British Isles are not all fired up and giving up their Isle's as Blair and the leftwingers(?) have convinced them to do. However, let them catch this forum and our friends in the BI may get supeoned for taking part in this question. That's the sad part of the whole thing. You aren't allowed the debate to discuss it.

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Old 03-12-2006, 09:12 PM
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.....On page 60 and 61 it traces the ancestry of both the Queen and Prince Phillip as far as the children of the Khans, the Caucasus monarchs and the Zoroastrian Shahs of ancient Persia. The book was made by Ian MonCreiffe and Don Pottinger. When I found that site a few years back I've realized that the book was not only accurate but missed more ancestors.
They missed ancestors from The Empire of Babylon.:)
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:15 PM
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How quickly people forget two of the greatest wars in history. They were fueled by nationalism and millions died because of it. People are still weary of nationalism including me. I dont like it all that much when people are big nationalist. I think minorities need to do more to integrate and realize that when they moved they were moving to a different nation and must become that nation. I can understand the feeling of whites seeming to become a minority with less emphasis on the majority. I think that people need to find an equilibrium. Im kinda appaled by what Im hearing hear. We are in the 21st Century. There are still some problems when it comes to race relations but race should be no factor what so ever in the suitability of a royal bride.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:24 PM
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People are still weary of nationalism including me.
Nationalism is to be proud of one's country and if you can't feel that then you may as well be dead. Surely thats what the Royal Family should be inspiring and promoting? Pride in one's homeland? I'm sorry if you're appalled by what you hear but this is people's honest opinions now. The truth of the matter is, we like our Royal Family white. As appalling as they may seem, it's the truth. And bringing the war into it etc is confusing the matter. That's life I'm afraid.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:25 PM
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Im kinda appaled by what Im hearing hear. We are in the 21st Century. There are still some problems when it comes to race relations but race should be no factor what so ever in the suitability of a royal bride.

Thank you, I thought that I was the only one that was disturbed by what I was hearing.

I am all for pride in oneself, country,race,culture or what have you. But I think that sometimes racial/cultural pride is just a pretty lable to hide feelings of hate towards other races, and I know this can come from people of any race.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:31 PM
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Maybe you and me are the only ones who feel the same way is because where both from detroit and now how real racisim and hate can destroy people and cities. There is a difference between being proud of ones nation and being a nationalist. Also, there is more to life than being proud of your nation. Im proud to be american but that doesnt mean I support a white america and all that america does in the world. People migrate and settle, cultures and countries have changed throughout history and they will continue to change. The royal family is supposed to be the uniting factor for a nation. That includes all people in that nation of all race and creed. The Royal Family should represent all of their nation and that means having to get used to not having an all white royal family in the future when the time comes.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:34 PM
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The Royal Family should represent all of their nation and that means having to get used to not having an all white royal family in the future when the time comes.
With all due respect Johnny that is typical PC propaganda. The majority of Britain is still white. If you start bunging in the odd black face and a couple of lesbians you're making a mockery of the family aspect and it becomes an excuse to show how accepting, tolerant and loving we all are - and we're not. So why do it?
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:38 PM
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Yes it is majority white. But there are plenty of indians, muslims, and blacks that have made an impact on the culture. It is not a mockery to have a royal family with real people. Trying to keep the perfect white image will bring contribute to its downfall IMO. They dont need to be all white and straight to be good representives for their nation and good royals.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:41 PM
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Yes it is majority white. But there are plenty of indians, muslims, and blacks that have made an impact on the culture.
Johnny, don't let's get into this. You don't live here - you can't possibly judge the impact they have made, just as I can't judge the impact immigrants have had on America. You're defending something you know nothing about.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:53 PM
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Maybe you and me are the only ones who feel the same way is because where both from detroit and now how real racisim and hate can destroy people and cities.

How true Johnny, we have seen more than our fair share of racial strife and segregation, so much so that I think we can tell hate from pride. I think the royal famiy is fine the way it is but I don't think there would be anything wrong if one of the boys were to date outside there race.

I know multiracialism should not be forced but the fact remains that the worlds population is growing and people are going to have to get used to living with people who are different from themselves.

I guess the principality of Liechtenstein is a little more evolved when it comes to tolerance and change.
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Indian food has become mainstream in britian and has mixed with british foods. You dont need to live their to see the impact others have made on the culture. Looking from the outside in you dont see everything but you see that there has been an impact.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:57 PM
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Indian food has become mainstream in britian and has mixed with british foods. You dont need to live their to see the impact others have made on the culture. Looking from the outside in you dont see everything but you see that there has been an impact.
Johnny. You can't measure an impact on a food stuff. We've got MacDonalds here, it doesn't mean we all go around singing the Star Spangled Banner does it? Indian food isn't mainstream at all.

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Of course you do. How can you possibly tell if you don't live here? You are seeing a media manipulated image. People who actually live here in the UK have told you what it's really like. We aren't lying. We are showing you the real Britain and in the real Britain, a black member of the Royal Family is out of the question and most certainly an asian member.
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