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Old 09-13-2017, 02:37 AM
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Meghan seems like she was wants to be the BRF Angelina jolie.
Flit around the work when it suits her and then drag herself back to Britain to put in some time

Wonder what Charles, William and The Queen this of all this
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:45 AM
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I highly doubt Meghan can continue working as an actress in the future .
Meghan has anyway shown that she's inclined towards humanitarian causes so being Harry's wife would give her the leverage to support the causes she's passionate about n have a lovely family life as well .
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:54 AM
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Meghan seems like she was wants to be the BRF Angelina jolie.
Flit around the work when it suits her and then drag herself back to Britain to put in some time

Wonder what Charles, William and The Queen this of all this
Do you have sources to back up that this is what she wants to do? I've not seen anything credible that points to this at all. To me, Meghan is a far cry from a person mirroring Angelina Jolie. She doesn't "mirror" anyone but as a person is pretty well grounded in who she is and is comfortable in her own skin being who she is.

With this in mind, its totally within the realm of possibility that there is really nothing of the sort for Charles, William and The Queen to even spend a split second thinking about it.
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:54 AM
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Call me cynical But tax wise she is better off being a UK citizen.
How's that? I thought that the US taxes were lower. Anyway I hardly think that paying taxes is going to be a problem or her when she marries inot a very rich family...
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:56 AM
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I highly doubt Meghan can continue working as an actress in the future .
Meghan has anyway shown that she's inclined towards humanitarian causes so being Harry's wife would give her the leverage to support the causes she's passionate about n have a lovely family life as well .
This is exactly as I see it too. It is what makes the most sense to me from all I've read about her outlooks on life, her ambitions and her stating that she does want a home and family life.

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Old 09-13-2017, 02:59 AM
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According to the Sunday Times she doesn't want to be an identikit duchess. In a better of willls Meghan doesn't stand a chance against the The Queen.
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Old 09-13-2017, 03:10 AM
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Why is Meghan going to have a battle of wills with the Queen? Apart from the prattling of a Times journalist do you have a link to any sources that say that is Meghan's intention? Or is this looking for troubles ahead when there is nothing there?
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Old 09-13-2017, 03:19 AM
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The "identikit duchess" term does not really, in any way, mean that Meghan is dead set upon going against the grain of what the definition of "duchess" means or seeks to redefine what her role would be within the "Firm".

Its the difference perhaps that instead of the mild and meek deferential person always willing to walk three steps behind her husband, she would be one that can match his passion to get out there and do what needs to be done. She would be self assured enough not to have to be in her husband's back pocket 24/7 and have definite ideas of which way she would like her charitable endeavors to go. I think also she will be more like a Camilla in that her status, her title and her "place" in the scheme of things will not be a focus for Meghan but with walking side by side with her husband in all things, Harry and their family will take top priority and their "job" of representing the family "Firm" will be just as important.

It has been said that those people at the top of the social scale don't need to put on airs and graces because they have nothing to prove to anyone. The further down the scale one goes, the more you are going to find those airs and graces of people wanting to show their own self importance and position in the scheme of things. We definitely do not see any of these traits in Harry and I think he'd run as fast (or faster) than Usain Bolt to get away from a person in his life that exhibited these character traits.
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Old 09-13-2017, 03:24 AM
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Meghan seems like she was wants to be the BRF Angelina jolie.
Flit around the work when it suits her and then drag herself back to Britain to put in some time

Wonder what Charles, William and The Queen this of all this
Exactly - and Harry is not any different.

And I doubt that's what the public wants, now that the Cambridges are more and more included in the firm imagine a couple who fly around the world for charity but do no bread and butter work in Britain.

Meghan's career as an actress is over as soon as there is an engagement but I am sure she is fully ok with it - because, exactly as you stated, she might think that the BRF is in need of a royal Angelina Jolie. Nothing could be further from the truth but I think both Meghan and Harry think that this could work. Both will soon learn that the press will be relentless and that Harry could lose his image as the good charitable guy who can basically do what he wants.

Interesting times ahead, no doubt.
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Old 09-13-2017, 05:13 AM
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The Jolie comparison seems to be a favorite of Meghan's critics but it sounds like a pretty random and flimsy attempt to downplay how hard she's worked to get to where she is.

Unlike every member of the BRF, she wasn't born with any privilege. Everything she's accomplished has come from her own desire to be successful and make a difference. There is really no reason to think she wouldn't be one of the harder working royals. The fact that she may want to expand on her role as duchess only reinforces that idea.
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:18 PM
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How's that? I thought that the US taxes were lower. Anyway I hardly think that paying taxes is going to be a problem or her when she marries inot a very rich family...
In the UK you pay tax on yr UK earnings; in the US you pay tax on all yr earnings.
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:31 PM
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In the UK you pay tax on yr UK earnings; in the US you pay tax on all yr earnings.
That's not entirely accurate. As a US citizen, she would have to include her income all over the world, but she'd be able to get credit for foreign taxes paid as well. However, there are additional disclosure form IRS requires for US Citizens with financial interest in a foreign bank account or financial asset. The preparation of these documents alone can get costly and pain in rear end.
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:43 PM
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Oh I agree massively! For this reason alone she'd be best giving up.






This is your post I was responding to;



Nowhere in it does it mention that it would cause unnecessary headache when doing engagements on behalf of HM. Nor does it offer any explanation as to why you said "some might think BRF is very different from celebrity".

I'll repeat myself though, that Meghan having dual citizenship should she wish to keep her american status doesn't make anything different in my eyes. Like I said she'll become an automatic British citizen we assume, so what's the harm?

Also there's no question about "if" she could keep her US citizenship, of course she can. They question us should she.
Well, if you read the parts of the conversation that happened before, it was pretty obvious. I also stated very clearly that the unnecessary headache would be from an appearances standpoint. I don't think I'd have to restate everything in every post.

With that said, automatically becoming a British citizen isn't the issue, the headache would come from if she chose to remain a US citizen. Forget all the logistics, this would play out a bit of controversy in the media and public opinion. And I've never questioned if she could, I know she could from a legal perspective as stated by others before. And yes, the BRF is very much like celebrities in that they have to maintain a certain image.
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Old 09-13-2017, 05:30 PM
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Could the princes' future wives continue working?

Jacqui;
We're going to have to agree to disagree because I don't see their being any unnecessary headache from an appearance standpoint with Meghan having dual citizenship. No controversy or issues with public opinion IMO, it's not like she'd use her citizenship for any advantages.
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Old 09-13-2017, 06:02 PM
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We're going to have to agree to disagree because I don't see their being any unnecessary headache from an appearance standpoint with Meghan having dual citizenship. No controversy or issues with public opinion IMO, it's not like she'd use her citizenship for any advantages.
I'd go a bit further and say that with dual citizenship, its a sign of strength of character even. If Meghan could just throw away her US citizenship because she had better fish to fry, its also possible that she could throw away everything that comes her way with being married to Harry should another bigger fish appear on the scene.

Sometimes staying true to what you are and loyal to what is a big part of who you are shows a strong character.
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Old 09-13-2017, 06:12 PM
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I'd go a bit further and say that with dual citizenship, its a sign of strength of character even. If Meghan could just throw away her US citizenship because she had better fish to fry, its also possible that she could throw away everything that comes her way with being married to Harry should another bigger fish appear on the scene.

Sometimes staying true to what you are and loyal to what is a big part of who you are shows a strong character.
I don't know if I'd attach that much to a citizenship. You are who you are despite your country of origin or where life takes you. Especially being an immigrant myself.
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Old 09-13-2017, 06:24 PM
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I don't know if I'd attach that much to a citizenship. You are who you are despite your country of origin or where life takes you. Especially being an immigrant myself.
I think what I was trying to put across is not so much the importance of a citizenship but that, at a personal level, to remain true to oneself. It most certainly will be a personal decision whatever Meghan decides to do as far as citizenship. We have no clue whatsoever what Meghan's thoughts are on the matter or what importance she puts personally on different things.
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Old 09-13-2017, 08:56 PM
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Exactly - and Harry is not any different.

And I doubt that's what the public wants, now that the Cambridges are more and more included in the firm imagine a couple who fly around the world for charity but do no bread and butter work in Britain.

Meghan's career as an actress is over as soon as there is an engagement but I am sure she is fully ok with it - because, exactly as you stated, she might think that the BRF is in need of a royal Angelina Jolie. Nothing could be further from the truth but I think both Meghan and Harry think that this could work. Both will soon learn that the press will be relentless and that Harry could lose his image as the good charitable guy who can basically do what he wants.

Interesting times ahead, no doubt.
At this point we don't know anything about what Meghan thinks the royal family needs. In any event, should she and Harry become engaged it will be the BRF telling the couple what the institution needs from them, not the other way around.

The monarch for most of Harry and Meghan's married life would likely be Charles, not QEII. I don't think it's safe to assume King Charles will take the same hands off approach his mother did in the 80s and early 90s should he not like something about the way his sons or daughters in law are acting as working royals. OTOH, I think it WOULD be safe to assume Charles's lifetime allotment of patience with 'celebrity' royals who advance their own agenda ahead of that of the monarchy was exhausted a long time ago. So hopefully that's not even on Harry's radar as an acceptable option for either himself or his future wife because I think he'd be shut down, hard.
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My response to some of the things written here:

Can Meghan continue working outside the monarchy after being married to Harry? In my opinion - No, she can't. Why? Because it may (and certainly will) be conflicts of interest, and it will lead to criticism of both Meghan and the royal family, and that will be disastrous for the monarchy. The other reason is her security etc.

So if there is any truth (which I don't think it is) in the Roya Nikkhah article in the Times (usually a very reliable source, although she has been wrong before), then it shows again that Harry isn't thinking before making decisions.

And will the courtiers be able to stop him? I don't know, he seems to be a pretty strong-willed person.

Will the Queen be able to stop him?
Of course she would. Neither Harry nor any other family members would have wanted or dared to go against her Majesty's will.

But more importantly, will she stop him? I don't know. She is not afraid to tell William to stand up at the balcony or to tell him what uniform to wear for his wedding etc, and as he said in 2012: You don't mess with your grandmother. But she's also acording to both William, Harry and several former courtiers, a person who let her family find their own way in life.

And she doesn't have the same close relationship with Harry as she has with William. Yes, he loves her and always talk very kindly about her, but, as he himself said in a TV interview (american, I think), he rarely sees her.

Are the royal family celebrities? No, they are not.

The most important role of British royal family members (with the style and title of HRH and Prince/Princess, except for Beatrice and Eugenie) is to support the Queen in her role as Head of State and Head of Nation in the UK and her role as Head of State in the other 15 Commonwealth realms and in her role as Head of the Commonwealth.

Their other important role (if we can call it that) is to take on charities, but that is also in a way on behalf of the monarch. Why? Because they do it as royal work.
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Please note that a number of posts discussing Harry and Meghan's relationship have been moved to the Harry and Meghan: Relationship Musings - The Royal Forums thread.
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