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Old 08-22-2014, 11:07 PM
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To be fair though, one of the most prominent snobs of the 'Kate isn't fit to be a royal' camp was James Whittaker, a well-known ex gossip columnist of, I think, the Daily Express, and he wasn't in William's circle.

Whoever Harry marries might have an easier time of it than Kate, both because the level of expectation isn't so heavy and because Harry does have quite a varied amount of friends that we don't hear anything about much. For instance, I wouldn't have known that Harry had visited his co-pilot from Afghanistan and his fiancée, now wife many times, if Simon hadn't let it slip in an interview.

With the possible exception of Cressida, who didn't appear too self-confident, Harry appears to like free-spirited, independent women who allow a bit of freedom in the relationship. I certainly hope that he meets someone who can make him happy before too long. I wouldn't want him to still be single in his late thirties. For one thing, Harry would make a marvellous father.
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Quite frankly, I think much of that struggle into integrating herself with William's group of friends is that they are snotty brats. Or at least the ones who used to make fun of the Middletons for working in aviation, he being a pilot and she being a flight attendant. Apparently in front of Kate. As if anybody should be shamed for working. The shame belongs to that group of snobs who now have to bow/curtsy to the woman whose parents they mocked for having jobs.

I agree. The problem is that William and Harry do have a good overlap in friends, so any new blood bride of Harry's will potentially have to go up against at least some of this resistance as well.

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To be fair though, one of the most prominent snobs of the 'Kate isn't fit to be a royal' camp was James Whittaker, a well-known ex gossip columnist of, I think, the Daily Express, and he wasn't in William's circle.

Whoever Harry marries might have an easier time of it than Kate, both because the level of expectation isn't so heavy and because Harry does have quite a varied amount of friends that we don't hear anything about much. For instance, I wouldn't have known that Harry had visited his co-pilot from Afghanistan and his fiancée, now wife many times, if Simon hadn't let it slip in an interview.

With the possible exception of Cressida, who didn't appear too self-confident, Harry appears to like free-spirited, independent women who allow a bit of freedom in the relationship. I certainly hope that he meets someone who can make him happy before too long. I wouldn't want him to still be single in his late thirties. For one thing, Harry would make a marvellous father.

I wouldn't say that Cressida wasn't a free spirited, independent woman who gave Harry a lot of freedom. From what I've seen of her free spirited is definitely up her alley, and she was his girlfriend when the Vegas incident happened.

I think a problem Harry is likely to continuously have in his relationships is that he likes the free spirited, independent women. Those are ones who will struggle with the constraints of royal life.

One of the things that I think Kate is spectacular at is knowing when to be more deferential to her husband and in-laws and when to shine herself. I think she does a really good job knowing how to walk that line - while she might get more press attention at shared events, I don't think that's because of her so much as because of the media. This is something that Diana was never good at - she liked to shine - and I think it didn't help the problems in her marriage. Harry's wife will be in a different position from Kate and Diana, but if she shines too brightly and doesn't know when to be deferential she'll struggle more.
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To be fair though, one of the most prominent snobs of the 'Kate isn't fit to be a royal' camp was James Whittaker, a well-known ex gossip columnist of, I think, the Daily Express, and he wasn't in William's group
I'm not sure how this relates to my comment about William having snotty friends who mocked the Middletons for having the audacity to work for a living. What am I missing?
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Old 08-23-2014, 11:10 PM
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One of the things that I think Kate is spectacular at is knowing when to be more deferential to her husband and in-laws and when to shine herself. I think she does a really good job knowing how to walk that line - while she might get more press attention at shared events, I don't think that's because of her so much as because of the media. This is something that Diana was never good at - she liked to shine - and I think it didn't help the problems in her marriage. Harry's wife will be in a different position from Kate and Diana, but if she shines too brightly and doesn't know when to be deferential she'll struggle more.

I agree completely! Kate defers to William, in a way that Diana never deferred to Charles.

If Harry's future wife intends to fit into the RF, she'll do the same; there can't be rival monarchies!
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Old 08-24-2014, 02:30 AM
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Just a thought, but maybe fans of Harry could participate in a REAL dating show. Something.

Or maybe he should marry Pippa.
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Old 08-24-2014, 06:48 AM
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Another 'I Wanna Marry Harry' show? Please no! I think Pippa is happy with Nico. Harry may well be feeling a bit down today as there are reports Chelsy is about to announce her engagement.

Zinnia, James Whittaker made snarky remarks in interviews and in the Press about the Middletons' middleclass background. At least William's friends kept their remarks in their own circle.
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:05 AM
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We don't actually know if William's friends made snarky comments like Door to Manual etc. Remember all the criticism of Carole at William's Sandhurst passing out where she made so called mistakes while meeting the Queen. While several years later, we find out that Carole didn't meet the Queen until weeks before the wedding. As William said during his engagement interview, don't always believe what you read in the paper.

That being said, Harry is going to meet people thru his friends, thru the military and the charities that he does engagements for. So if you are sitting at home on benefits, you probably aren't going to meet Harry but someone that works for a charity that doesn't have an aristocratic background could meet Harry. Kinda how Sophie met Edward .


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Old 11-15-2014, 12:16 AM
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I am not sure if all of these are Non-Roman Catholic ladies, but they are all in his age range and might be good picks :)




Princess Irina Maria Nina Kira of Prussia (b. 4 Jul 1988)


Countess Marie-Thérèse Walburga Gabrielle Diana Georgina Franziska (b. Memmingen, 5 October 1989).


Countess Maria Elisabeth Walburga Apollonia Alexandra Friederike (b. Ravensburg, 31 December 1990).


Countess Marie Charlotte Walburga Antonia Adelheid Viktoria Henriette (b. Ravensburg, 10 May 1992).


Countess Marie Hélène Walburga Yolande Christiana Michaela (b. Ravensburg, 29 November 1993)


Princess Léopoldine Eléonore Thérèse Marie of Liechtenstein (b. 27 June 1990, Vienna)


Princess Marie Immaculata Elisabeth Rose Adelgunde of Liechtenstein (b. 15 Dec 1991, Vienna)


Lady Violet Diana Louise Manners (b. 18 August 1993)


Lady Pollyanna Louisa Clementine FitzGerald (born John Radcliffe Hospital, Oxford, Oxfordshire, 9 May 1982),


Lady Viola Georgina Grosvenor (b. 12 October 1992)


Lady Sophia Rose Seymour (b. 1987)


Lady Henrietta Charlotte Seymour (b. 1989)


Lady Isabella Elsa Somerset (b. 1991 - also known as Bella Somerset)

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Whilst they are all interesting suggestions, times have changed and it's no longer compulsory for royals to marry other royals or aristocrats. I'm also doubting most of these suggestions, because I believe that Harry will marry someone who moves in his social circles, but of course I don't know for sure, and some of these young women could indeed move in the same social circles as Harry.

Also, Harry doesn't have to marry just a Protestant or a member of the Church of England, as the succession law was amended last year, to include Roman Catholics in the line of succession. I also read that Harry could now marry a girl of any religion.
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That's great news that religion doesn't matter. I was reading the earlier posts in the thread, and that is why I thought that. I am still learning about the royals and appreciate any knowledge you can give me. I was under the impression that kings and princes were to marry royalty, but William was allowed to marry Kate, and she isn't. Why is that? What changed?
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That's great news that religion doesn't matter. I was reading the earlier posts in the thread, and that is why I thought that. I am still learning about the royals and appreciate any knowledge you can give me. I was under the impression that kings and princes were to marry royalty, but William was allowed to marry Kate, and she isn't. Why is that? What changed?
They don't have marry royalty. They used to in older days to form alliances between countries. But this hasn't happen in a long time. Most of the people that marry into royalty are regular people.


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Please note all that posts regarding Chelsy Davy and Cressida Bonas should be posted in the following thread Royals' Ex-Partners .
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Oh ok. Thank you. So since all the countries no longer have ONLY rulers, marrying royalty doesn't matter? Since Charles' s father was the Prince of Greece, why didn't the UK and Greece become one country upon his marriage to Elizabeth? If Harry were to marry someone of royalty, are there people who would prefer him to be on the throne in the future?
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a) Prince Phillip was a Prince of Greece and Denmark ...
b) Greece was a Republic by then
c) QEII is Queen of GB, Kanada, Australia and other realms ... it' doesn't work like your idea ...
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The BRF hasn't married fellow royals since Philip and Marina. I'd be shocked if Harry went that old school. Harry has never shown interest in other Royal families. But it would make a certain portion of the Royal Fandom happy, the ones that see commoners as riff raff. A bit of self-hatred involved there.

In all likelihood he will continue to sleep his way through the aristo set, until one of the ladies sets her spell on him. Or he could throw a Hail Mary and start dating a working class girl. We don't know Harry so everything is just guesswork.
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So, this is just an example, but what if, in the very distant future, Prince William's son decided he wanted to marry the daughter of one of the other royal houses in Europe, would that make any more countries join the UK? I am only asking out of curiosity and the fact that I love to learn about this stuff.
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So, this is just an example, but what if, in the very distant future, Prince William's son decided he wanted to marry the daughter of one of the other royal houses in Europe, would that make any more countries join the UK? I am only asking out of curiosity and the fact that I love to learn about this stuff.
No. The lady in question would join the BRF. But it would have no impact on her home country. Unless the lady was a Crown Princess then she would have to surrender her claim on her own throne, or George would have to surrender his. The two would not merge.
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Oh ok. Thank you. So since all the countries no longer have ONLY rulers, marrying royalty doesn't matter? Since Charles' s father was the Prince of Greece, why didn't the UK and Greece become one country upon his marriage to Elizabeth? If Harry were to marry someone of royalty, are there people who would prefer him to be on the throne in the future?
Prince Philip was not the heir to the Greek throne. He was the nephew of King Constantine I and cousin to the heir apparent and future king, George II.
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And out of curiosity, why do they not merge?

Very interesting about Harry. Well, I bet he marries someone with a military background of sone sort. He loves his military life.
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They don't merge because they are independent countries. The royal families of Europe are figureheads and have no political power.


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