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Old 03-30-2013, 07:49 PM
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OK - back to basics - please.

Explain morganatic marriages. I'm asking because looking at the posts its about getting married to an HRH, and not carrying out royal duties. That isn't right, is it?
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Old 03-30-2013, 07:59 PM
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OK - back to basics - please.

Explain morganatic marriages. I'm asking because looking at the posts its about getting married to an HRH, and not carrying out royal duties. That isn't right, is it?
We dont have morganatic marriages in the UK, but they way they work is the wife does not have her husbands titles or rank. Generally she is given a lower title of her own that may be inherited by her children. The children cannot inherit the fathers rank or titles, that comes from their mother, and have no other succession rights.
Think back to the origins of the Teck or Battenberg titles if you need more.
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Old 03-30-2013, 08:00 PM
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Then the answer to the original question on this thread is No
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Old 03-30-2013, 09:20 PM
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The answer is a resounding 'no'.

Britain doesn't recognise the concept of a 'morganatic' marriage. The wife takes all the styles and titles of her husband with two notable exceptions - Wallis and Camilla.

Wallis was deprived of her rightful HRH by LPs and Camilla with the idea that she won't be Queen Consort.
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Old 03-30-2013, 09:33 PM
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Thank you Iluvbertie - I thought I might have been over simplistic, something that has got me in trouble in my life!

I understand about Wallis, but in the case of Camilla and "Princess Consort", I think that Prince Charles was badly advised. My view is that (at the time) BP was trying to calm the anti Camilla lobby and PoW was told he could do this. But surely he can't. It is not a title that exists, it is not a secondary title (princess of wales/Duchess of Cornwall/etc). IT must take an Act of Parliament and doing that for an individual is ridiculous.

I am the 1st to admit I'm learning this but from my perspective, PoW should leave well alone, let Camilla (and Catherine, and all who follow) be Queen Consort.

I just dont think what was stated about Princess Consort is do-able.
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Old 03-30-2013, 09:38 PM
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It was stated at the time that it would take legislation and personally I can't see that happening.

What I think will happen is that the Diana fans will call her Princess Consort and begrudge her that title while others will call her Queen Consort and when the Coronation happens she will be crowned alongside Charles and the Diana fans, I can think of a couple on this and other sites, will claimed they were lied to when all that was ever said was it was the 'intention' and intentions do change.
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Old 03-30-2013, 09:42 PM
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Giving parliamentary time to legislate for 1 individual is not good. I'm sure William would want Catherine to be Queen Consort so it is mad. I just think it would be good if HMQ made a statememtn saying that she has followed this up and taken legal advise and has informed the PoW that is cant be done for a single individual. That wouls help PoW. But it would also be a frst cos HMQ is not great at helping out.
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As to the whole issue of Camilla's future title, will it take an act of parliament to create a new title or simply to deny Camilla (and possibly future female consorts) the use of the one already in existence?

I'm not saying I think this should be done, but if Charles is dead set on Camilla being a princess and not a queen, can he not simply issue LPs making her a princess in her own right, and having her use that title instead of queen - similar to how she does now?

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Harry going by Harry Wales is the exact same as Sophie going by Sophie Wessex, or Katherine going by Katherine Kent. Instead of using the actual surname, Windsor, they use their title in place of a surname.
The actual surname (when one is necessary) for male-line descendants of the Queen and Philip is Mountbatten-Windsor, although some have used just Windsor at times. Edward used to go by Edward Windsor prior to his marriage, and in some places Louise is called Louise Windsor (although in the CC she's Mountbatten-Windsor).

Most use their "of x" as a surname; William and Harry Wales, Edward and Sophie Wessex, etc.
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Public opinion about the Duchess of Cornwall is changing, people are seeing how wonderful she is.

By the time the Prince of Wales becomes King, the Duchess will be his Queen.

Diana's fans will all be dead or too old to complain by the time. No one born after 1997 cares about who Diana was.
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Old 03-30-2013, 10:13 PM
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Public opinion about the Duchess of Cornwall is changing, people are seeing how wonderful she is.

By the time the Prince of Wales becomes King, the Duchess will be his Queen.

Diana's fans will all be dead or too old to complain by the time. No one born after 1997 cares about who Diana was.
How old are you?

There are a lot of people who are younger and care about Diana. There are a lot of people who continue to be influenced by her. Sure, I'll agree with you on the idea that anyone born after 1997 (and would be 15 or under now) might not care about Diana, but someone who's in their 20s now? May have an opinion. Someone who's in their 30s is almost definitely going to have one, likewise with the 40s. As Charles is going to come to the throne at some point in the next 20 years, that means that this group of 20s-40s is going to be in their 40s-60s. Just to break the news to you, but 40 isn't that old.
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Old 03-30-2013, 10:22 PM
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How old are you?

There are a lot of people who are younger and care about Diana. There are a lot of people who continue to be influenced by her. Sure, I'll agree with you on the idea that anyone born after 1997 (and would be 15 or under now) might not care about Diana, but someone who's in their 20s now? May have an opinion. Someone who's in their 30s is almost definitely going to have one, likewise with the 40s. As Charles is going to come to the throne at some point in the next 20 years, that means that this group of 20s-40s is going to be in their 40s-60s. Just to break the news to you, but 40 isn't that old.
I'm trying to say that all those people we see claiming that Diana was a saint and Camilla and Charles are awful adulterers are old women that can't realize that Diana wasn't perfect.

We don't see lots young people complaining about Camilla be a homewrecker.

Just go to The British Monarchy's page on Facebook, and look to the people who say nasty things about the Duchess of Cornwall at her pictures. You'll not see many people in their 20's or 30's.
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Old 03-30-2013, 10:55 PM
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I'm trying to say that all those people we see claiming that Diana was a saint and Camilla and Charles are awful adulterers are old women that can't realize that Diana wasn't perfect.

We don't see lots young people complaining about Camilla be a homewrecker.

Just go to The British Monarchy's page on Facebook, and look to the people who say nasty things about the Duchess of Cornwall at her pictures. You'll not see many people in their 20's or 30's.
Except you're basing your opinion on what people say on Facebook. That's like saying that the people must hate the Middletons and think that Catherine and William are lazy because that's what the DM comments show.

I'm not going to say that people who support Diana aren't old, or that people who support Camilla aren't young. I think that it's more likely that there are people of all ages on both sides of the issue - and those who think that both are good, but flawed women (like most people). We don't know what the feelings towards Camilla will be in the next 20 years - nor do we know when Charles will become king, if he will even become king (he has to outlive his mother first), and if Camilla will still be in the picture then (she has to outlive the Queen too).

I know personally, I'm in my mid-20s now and I grew up loving Diana. It's only been in more recent years that I've come to see Camilla in a better light, largely because I pay attention to the royals. Others my age who remember the hype around Diana, who saw The Queen, who don't follow the family? Probably not fans of Camilla's.
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Except you're basing your opinion on what people say on Facebook. That's like saying that the people must hate the Middletons and think that Catherine and William are lazy because that's what the DM comments show.
I'm not basing my opinion on Facebook, it was an example.

But that's not only on Facebook, last year, papers said the the public opinion about the Duchess of Cornwall is getting better and better.
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:41 AM
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I'm not basing my opinion on Facebook, it was an example.

But that's not only on Facebook, last year, papers said the the public opinion about the Duchess of Cornwall is getting better and better.
The statement that was released when Charles and Camilla married was that "it is intended that" she will be known as Princess Consort. It was a way of appeasing those who were/are still opposed to Camilla being in the Royal Family at all. Unless Parliament steps in and creates a new title, Camilla will be Queen Consort, no matter what she is known as. Personally, I don't see Parliament taking the time to do this, and if they were, they'd probably have started the process by now. In addition, just like changing the rule of succession, the change would probably have to be approved by the Commonwealth nations, as well.
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I hope you marry Prince Harry and Cressida Bonas. Very good on. Cressida is the daughter of a respected and have a good education. Prince Harry will be the ideal couple.
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I also think that Cressida Bonas is the ideal wife for Prince Harry.
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