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I read that Chelsy and Bona or whatever her name is have been invited to the same party over the weekend. Not sure if this was meant to be last weekend? Does anyone know anything about this?

In the meantime, Henry has been very successful at staying away from the public eye. Again, I say, it clearly can be done!

Osipi, I am sure NGalitzine would invite you, right Ngalitzine? Roslyn and I are happy to see the photos in the paper shortly after the event...
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:23 PM
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only partied with the "right" people and the press were excluded.

Everyone had privacy.
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only partied with the "right" people and the press were excluded.

Everyone had privacy.
That's as it should be. It can be done.
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Old 02-16-2013, 12:13 AM
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Aaah, there are no misunderstandings here folks. NGalitzine just wants to party party with Henry, that is all!
Well I have no objections at all to a good party/vacation and would welcome Harry to come along when I go to Cuba, but it is more a case of knowing a lot of people whose lives from the outside appear terribly conventional (husband/wife, 2 kids, dog, mortgage, 2 cars in the driveway, church on Sunday types) but once you really get to know them you find their lives are a lot less conventional than they might like their neighbours and co-workers to know. Certainly a lot of terribly proper, conservative, family values types act very differently when they are away from home and on vacation with people they never expect to see again. The only time I have a problem with it is if people publically spew one set of values and then go off and act in a contrary manner. I don't believe Harry did that so don't have a real problem with his Vegas trip which did seem a bigger story on this side of the pond than in the UK.

As for his future wife I just hope he choses someone sensible who can handle both the public life of a royal and still be able to find time for some fun and relaxation even with press/public intrusions in their private lives.
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Maybe we can marry him off to one of Princess Grace's granddaughters. The American media would love that.

They are already in the public eye so it would not be as much as a burden to them as someone who has no exposure to the media.
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:07 AM
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Maybe we can marry him off to one of Princess Grace's granddaughters. The American media would love that.

They are already in the public eye so it would not be as much as a burden to them as someone who has no exposure to the media.
They're catholic first off and Charlotte has a boyfriend. Pauline Ducruet just turned 18 and her younger half sister is 14.
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Old 02-16-2013, 02:28 PM
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They're catholic first off and Charlotte has a boyfriend. Pauline Ducruet just turned 18 and her younger half sister is 14.
The Catholic issue is being addressed in the change to the succession laws, however. Harry will be able to marry a Catholic without losing his place in the succession so long as his children from that marriage are raised CoE.

There's also Prince Albert II's daughter, Jazmin Grace Grimaldi, who's 20, although her legitimacy comes into play.
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Why would he want to marry someone who would bring even more media attention to him. The Windsor-Grimaldi link would be send the tabs into overdrive.
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Old 02-16-2013, 03:14 PM
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I wasn't suggesting her so much as pointing out that there was another of-age granddaughter of Princess Grace's.
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The Catholic issue is being addressed in the change to the succession laws, however. Harry will be able to marry a Catholic without losing his place in the succession so long as his children from that marriage are raised CoE.

There's also Prince Albert II's daughter, Jazmin Grace Grimaldi, who's 20, although her legitimacy comes into play.
Indeed he will, however there is the obstacle of Charlotte (the most noteworthy Grace grand-daughter) having a boyfriend and past to boot.

I'd put money on the fact Jazmin doesn't even know who Henry is. That girl has been kept so far out of the limelight she wouldn't know what hit her over here.
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No faithful Catholic is going to agree to allowing their child to be raised CoE, so if that were to happen they will likely just convert first.


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Old 02-16-2013, 03:26 PM
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No faithful Catholic is going to agree to allowing their child to be raised CoE, so if that were to happen they will likely just convert first.
I'd point you in the direction of CP Maxima for that one.
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I'd point you in the direction of CP Maxima for that one.
And closer to home, HRH Princess Michael of Kent
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No faithful Catholic is going to agree to allowing their child to be raised CoE, so if that were to happen they will likely just convert first.

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I'd point you in the direction of CP Maxima for that one.
I'll also direct you to Princess Michael of Kent.

The argument can be done in reverse: no faithful CoE will have their child raised RC. Except it does happen. Sometimes it's about whose faith is stronger or more important to them - the CoE's or the RC's - or even just who feels stronger about the issue of religion. Other times it's a case of "hey, if we raise our kids in your religion they'll get titles and a chance at a throne." There have been many cases of people changing religions or raising their children in a different religion because of a throne, so you can't really say that it would never happen.
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I repeat faithful Catholics would not agree. There is a duty required for Catholics to raise their children in their Faith. If you really believe your Faith and are devout/faithful there is no way a Catholic would agree to that.

So anyone who would agree is not faithful/devout. They are merely going thru the motions.


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Old 02-16-2013, 03:44 PM
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I repeat faithful Catholics would not agree. There is a duty required for Catholics to raise their children in their Faith. If you really believe your Faith and are devout/faithful there is no way a Catholic would agree to that.

So anyone who would agree is not faithful/devout. They are merely going thru the motions.


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Only for Catholics who wish to marry in the Church. I'm Catholic, married outside of the faith, and my children are not raised within the institution of Catholicism. You have no place judging the faith, devotion or motivations of anyone but yourself.

If Harry and any of the Grimaldi grandchildren fell in love, I have the feeling these girls would come to a similar conclusion. You can follow the Catholic faith while rejecting the idea that the Vatican is your governor.
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I repeat faithful Catholics would not agree. There is a duty required for Catholics to raise their children in their Faith. If you really believe your Faith and are devout/faithful there is no way a Catholic would agree to that.

So anyone who would agree is not faithful/devout. They are merely going thru the motions.

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Except it has happened.

Religion is a deeply personal thing. No one person is really in a position to say whether or not another person is a faithful RC (or CoE or Protestant or whatever). Princess Michael of Kent may believe very firmly in the RC, she may be faithful and devote. Except when she went to get married (presumably to a man she loved) he was of a different religion and belonged to a family where RCs are legally excluded. So she agreed to raise her children CoE. Does that mean she's less faithful or less devoted? No, it means that she has a difference of opinion. She valued her children's opportunities more and agreed to raise them CoE instead of RC.

You're arguing that it would never happen - but it has. Princess Michael clearly wanted to remain RC, so she didn't convert - and her husband lost his place in the line of succession. But her children were raised CoE and thus have a place in the line of succession. And she's not the only example of someone RC choosing to raise her children in their other parent's religion.
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I repeat faithful Catholics would not agree. There is a duty required for Catholics to raise their children in their Faith. If you really believe your Faith and are devout/faithful there is no way a Catholic would agree to that.

So anyone who would agree is not faithful/devout. They are merely going thru the motions.
That is an opinion, and not fact. Faith is interpretative and I'm sure God will be just as happy if Maxima's children are raised to believe in him RC or otherwise. God doesn't discriminate.
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Except it has happened.

Religion is a deeply personal thing. No one person is really in a position to say whether or not another person is a faithful RC (or CoE or Protestant or whatever). Princess Michael of Kent may believe very firmly in the RC, she may be faithful and devote. Except when she went to get married (presumably to a man she loved) he was of a different religion and belonged to a family where RCs are legally excluded. So she agreed to raise her children CoE. Does that mean she's less faithful or less devoted? No, it means that she has a difference of opinion. She valued her children's opportunities more and agreed to raise them CoE instead of RC.

You're arguing that it would never happen - but it has. Princess Michael clearly wanted to remain RC, so she didn't convert - and her husband lost his place in the line of succession. But her children were raised CoE and thus have a place in the line of succession. And she's not the only example of someone RC choosing to raise her children in their other parent's religion.
MC also managed to have her marriage to Michael blessed by the Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster so it seems at the end of the day that the RC Church did not have that big a problem with it either.
I believe Maxima and WA even had a RC Priest as one of the participants in their wedding ceremony.
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Catholics who are faithful/devout are not going to agree. If they do then they do not take their Faith seriously, except that parts they pick and choose to.

Having a marriage blessed is not the same when it comes to the issue of agreeing to raise a child outside the Faith.




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