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Old 05-27-2012, 10:37 PM
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Harry has already met the girl he is going to marry - it's just a matter of time.
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:44 PM
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Sure. It's a hard decision and one that she should ponder, and if she decides to be with him, then she will have to accept what comes with that. It will require discipline which I assume she has some familiarity with since she's a lawyer. I don't think we can compare her to Sarah because for one thing she's smarter.
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:45 PM
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They may be in love with each other, but there are other fish in the sea. Perhaps it's the fact that they are each forbidden fruit to the other is what keeps them going.

They're both rather young as well - too young to make a decision about whether or not to marry into a royal family.
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Old 05-28-2012, 12:10 AM
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Ha! No. I just think that Chelsey Davy is his first love and unless she marries elsewhere, it will be hard for him to move on. Not that she wants him to hang around. It seems to me she has made up her mind. Its he who stays. He is a persistent wooer, methinks. Who knows how it will all end.

What's curious is that the young woman clearly lives a discreet life - yet the tabloids manage to get her coming out of pubs at 3 a.m. - that's all they are looking for - 'all those pictures' are not that many and are not her doing - and in fact she is not playing up to the camera at all in them. Would anyone take a good picture at that time of the morning, drunk or not, trying to turn away from the flashes, anyway? The photographers are just feeding a very nasty character assassination on Ms Davy, IMO.
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Old 05-28-2012, 12:10 AM
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Chelsea just doesn't seem refined to me. She's educated, but she's not lady-like. I remember seeing her come into Westminster Cathedral at the Cambridge wedding and she was waving to people in the church in an excited way. I know that she was happy to see her friends, but she could have nodded and smiled rather than grinning and waving. It's this sort of thing that reminds me of Sarah York. No polish or discretion.
Oh, the last thing the Windsors need is another Fergie. Heaven help us all in this case (well more them really, since it really won't effect any of us). Chelsey really does strike me as someone who just does what she wants, with no regard to the opinions of others, which is great, but it certainly won't slide in the Royal Family. They do have an appearance to keep up, and having someone reckless ruin that appearance won't be welcomed on any level.

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Yes, but living as a member of the Royal Family can be rather stifling. For example, you can't have an opinion on anything political. You have protection officers with you at all times. There's no real privacy. A person has to be on his/her best behavior all the time when in public. That's not that easy.
I have a strong feeling that none of this appeals to Chelsey, because as I stated above, she likes to have the freedom to do what she wants. It's not easy to just turn yourself around in 180 degrees, and become something you're not used to being. It takes a strong person as well as sone who is self-aware to change his/her ways in order to fit the lifestyle of a royal.
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Old 05-28-2012, 10:12 AM
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Chelsy is very smart and educated and isn't likely to give up her career and freedom to marry Harry. There is also the well-publicized problem of Harry's roving eye, which she isn't going to put up with.

I don't see a marriage ever happening with these two.
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Old 05-28-2012, 10:59 AM
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Am new to this thread. To be honest, apart from Chelsey and the girl from "The Saturday"s, I have no idea who Harry has been linked with.

I'm not a fan of Chelsy because, despite her family background (wealth) and education, I think that she comes across as trashy. Shoot me, shoot me, Chelsy fans. !!

On the other hand I find Kate to be too much of a "little miss goody two shoes". So, I'm looking for someone in between those two for Harry.

This may have been raised before but I would fear that Chelsy could become Harry's "Camilla". By that, I mean that she is the one that he will always really love and I would fear that any girl that he may marry would suffer as a consequence.
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Old 05-28-2012, 04:26 PM
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If Harry loves her and she loves him and they want to get married nothing we say will change that. Learning protocol and getting a stylist to dress someone can be done. It's not that hard.
True Chimene, but what is indeed hard is breaking a very well established pattern of rowing, breaking up, passionate reconciliations...and then starting the whole thing again from the top.

This young woman has stated ad nauseam that she does not feel suited for the type of regimented and ordered life that being a high profile member of the BRF would entail.

She is apparently intelligent enough to realize that about herself. She has spent many years pursuing a career in law, just to toss it all away?

It goes way deeper than just her appearance and her clothes.
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Old 05-28-2012, 05:04 PM
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Yes you are right. She did admit that she has no interest in becoming a royal. She doesnt want to deal with the rules and regulations I suppose. I really dont think Harry is even ready for marriage yet and frankly does he even need to think of marriage since he isnt under any pressure to produce an heir?
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Old 05-28-2012, 05:16 PM
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True Chimene, but what is indeed hard is breaking a very well established pattern of rowing, breaking up, passionate reconciliations...and then starting the whole thing again from the top.

This young woman has stated ad nauseam that she does not feel suited for the type of regimented and ordered life that being a high profile member of the BRF would entail.

She is apparently intelligent enough to realize that about herself. She has spent many years pursuing a career in law, just to toss it all away?

It goes way deeper than just her appearance and her clothes.
Their story seem complicated and I don't presume to know what's going on. For all we know, and it seems most likely scenario, is that they are not together. I just don't think we can judge her on appearance alone.

Being a part of the BRF will require commitment on her part and she would stand to lose her way of life to marry him, but if she can come to terms with the restrictions then all I'm saying is that she can do it. She is obviously disciplined and has work ethic, two very important elements (I think) that can see her through, however whether she wants to is a different story. All I'm trying to say is don't judge a book by it's cover.
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Old 05-29-2012, 04:11 AM
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Ha! No. I just think that Chelsey Davy is his first love and unless she marries elsewhere, it will be hard for him to move on. Not that she wants him to hang around. It seems to me she has made up her mind. Its he who stays. He is a persistent wooer, methinks. Who knows how it will all end.
Since Chelsy has never given an interview we are only going on what we read in the papers like Mail Online, etc. We only have their take on Harry and Chelsey and the reasons why they broke up. We know that William didn't want to get married too early and, in my opinion, took way to long to make up his mind and turned his girlfriend into "Waity Katy". Would we know if Harry felt the same? Perhaps Chelsey told him it was time to fish or cut bait and he bailed? Perhaps he is having second or third thoughts but Chelsey has just decided they are now only friends with benefits?
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What's curious is that the young woman clearly lives a discreet life - yet the tabloids manage to get her coming out of pubs at 3 a.m. - that's all they are looking for - 'all those pictures' are not that many and are not her doing - and in fact she is not playing up to the camera at all in them. Would anyone take a good picture at that time of the morning, drunk or not, trying to turn away from the flashes, anyway? The photographers are just feeding a very nasty character assassination on Ms Davy, IMO.
Let's face it, the media had both Harry and William set as the original "Hooray Henry's" snapping them looking totalled coming out of clubs on a semi-regular basis until the engagement was announced and suddenly William was reinvented as "the boy next door" and only Harry inhabited party central.. They only give up on Harry when he disappears on training courses and the story starves for want of pictorial evidence although one or two outlets did try recycling the photos. But narky people like us spotted them!

That leaves following the "ex's" in hope of finding:

a. She's off her face in a public place. What a lucky escape for the Palace!
b. She's found another man and is engaged. He's only rebound guy but what a lucky escape for the Palace!
c. She's still sneaking around with Harry! Pictures? Pictures anyone?

Their preferred option is "c" of course, as it leads right back to Harry and a litany of his past girlfriends and oh what a lucky escape for the Palace they were!
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:09 PM
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Yes you are right. She did admit that she has no interest in becoming a royal. She doesnt want to deal with the rules and regulations I suppose. I really dont think Harry is even ready for marriage yet and frankly does he even need to think of marriage since he isnt under any pressure to produce an heir?
There isn't much pressure on Harry either way. With William now married, so long as Catherine starts producing children, the pressure will only decrease since Harry's importance will rapidly decline in terms of succession.

The real challenge for him is to stay productive and out of the tabloids.
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Old 05-29-2012, 08:24 PM
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Wow, I never really thought about it but Harry really is a "spare". So once William has kids Harry is basically not that important anymore. Thats sad. No wonder he really isnt in hurry to settle down. Maybe he will be like his dad and wait until he is much older.
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I think Harry always known this and it could be why he is so relaxed about things he doesn't have the same worries as William does. But he will still be part of the Royal Firm he will one day be the son of the King so he will always have some sort of role. William and Catherine don't seem to be in too much of a hurry having kids and I would think they will protect them and keep them out of the public eye as much as they can. So Harry is very much needed but he still needs to marry right because his wife will be part of the firm too and as we all know duty comes first.
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I think that she comes across as trashy. Shoot me, shoot me, Chelsy fans. !!
I'm not a fan but I do find this 'accusation' odd as she has done nothing to warrant it. I suspect it has something to do with the fact that she is South African. It would be the same if she were Australian - or American. She's just not British - not guarded, not stiff - she's just a natural, a person who is being who they are. She's not double or triple thinking herself. Most importantly - she does not play up to the camera.

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Since Chelsy has never given an interview we are only going on what we read in the papers like Mail Online, etc.
Its interesting that the only picture the tabloids can come up with is a snap taken outside a bar - at 3 a.m. no less. Where are pictures of her walking to work in her spiffy lawyerly togs? Wouldn't have to stay up all night to get those pictures. Where are they? Might it be that such pictures would not jive with the 'trashy' image the tabloids are peddling? Show Chelsey as the serious career woman she is and the whole house-of-cards falls apart.


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This may have been raised before but I would fear that Chelsy could become Harry's "Camilla". By that, I mean that she is the one that he will always really love and I would fear that any girl that he may marry would suffer as a consequence.
We all have previous loves - sometimes even marriages entered too young. We can hope that Harry marries a more worldly wise woman who has more confidence in herself than Harry's mother had in herself. Having had previous amours - that one remains loving towards - is not a deal breaker.


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We know that William didn't want to get married too early and, in my opinion, he took way to long to make up his mind and turned his girlfriend into "Waity Katy".
I have to agree. I was looking at a retrospective of Kate's fashion over the last 8 years or so - and I have to say it becomes a rather sad exercise when you see William's full head of hair and Kate's freshness and youth early on - and watch it slowly become what it is. He waited too long. What a sweet young mother she would have made - can't shake the sense that something was lost in the long drawn out hesitation.

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True Chimene, but what is indeed hard is breaking a very well established pattern of rowing, breaking up, passionate reconciliations...and then starting the whole thing again from the top.
Hmmmm.....sounds yummy....
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I'm not a fan but I do find this 'accusation' odd as she has done nothing to warrant it. I suspect it has something to do with the fact that she is South African. It would be the same if she were Australian - or American. She's just not British - not guarded, not stiff - she's just a natural, a person who is being who they are. She's not double or triple thinking herself. Most importantly - she does not play up to the camera.
Rightly or wrongly my impression of her being "trashy" has been formed by the tabloid pictures of her falling out of nightclubs. When I see that I tend to link her with those Z-List celebs who appear in "The Only Way is Essex" or programmes of that nature.
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I have to agree. I was looking at a retrospective of Kate's fashion over the last 8 years or so - and I have to say it becomes a rather sad exercise when you see William's full head of hair and Kate's freshness and youth early on - and watch it slowly become what it is. He waited too long. What a sweet young mother she would have made - can't shake the sense that something was lost in the long drawn out hesitation.
You make them sound as if they are ready for the nursing home!! They are only 30 years old, and they married at a pretty normal age for people of their generation. At a younger age they broke up. It seems they took the time they needed to make sure their relationship was solid and that Kate knew what she was getting into by marrying into the BRF. Seems very sensible and mature to me.
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I have to agree. I was looking at a retrospective of Kate's fashion over the last 8 years or so - and I have to say it becomes a rather sad exercise when you see William's full head of hair and Kate's freshness and youth early on - and watch it slowly become what it is. He waited too long. What a sweet young mother she would have made - can't shake the sense that something was lost in the long drawn out hesitation.
You never know. William is said to have been unsure if he could be true to Catherine for the rest of his life and if that was an important point for him, he surely is a good man. As for being a young mother: the fact that Diana was such a young mother did her no good, IMHO. Before she could really work on her relationship with Charles and make that work, she was pregnant twice and with her troubled soul, this might have been too much for both of them. William and Catherine were able to enjoy a long time as a couple (who knows when they actually decided to get married? Or how they saw their long relationship themselves? Maybe both were content at that time to have a partner but quite some freedom for themselves?). Once they have kids, they will be a "family" for the rest of their lives (or at least the next quarter of a century) and thirty something is a good age to start that. I was 30 when my son was born and now I'm fifty and he his grown-up. That's quite nice! William and Catherine will probably start to work "in earnest" in about 20-30 years when The Queen and Charles are no longer. So they have enough time now to raise their children without being bothered by the "red boxes". Look at Victoria of Sweden who waited as long as William to tie the knot and is now the mother of her heiress and a happy wife and mother at that!
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Rightly or wrongly my impression of her being "trashy" has been formed by the tabloid pictures of her falling out of nightclubs. When I see that I tend to link her with those Z-List celebs who appear in "The Only Way is Essex" or programmes of that nature.
With respect, what pictures of Chelsy falling out of nightclubs?
I cannot recall any; in fact, she appeared to always be composed, even if she were partying till late at night (as most people of her age would).
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I feel it will be a quite a ways off before Harry marries; probably not until W&K have a couple of children. By that time (as I think Kate will put it off as long as possible), the succession will be secure and Harry can marry a rugged woman and live in Africa. That woman might be Chelsey and it might not.
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