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Old 03-04-2016, 04:34 AM
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You are welcome. But it seems like I forgot to post the link to the video. That's fixed now. - Okay, it was close to bedtime.

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Old 03-04-2016, 04:56 AM
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Thanks for the video! Marie looked quite tired, it must have been an intense visit - or a glass too many at the hotel bar last night?

I really like seeing Marie, she's very spontaneous. Very different from Mary (who I also love to follow, and who's certainly the most classy of crown princesses IMO). I mean: the "what are you laughing about?" comment Marie made is something Mary would be too professional for. Denmark is very lucky with these two additions to the royal family!

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Old 03-04-2016, 07:37 AM
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And I couldn't agree more.
Because Mary and our Marie are so different in their approach they appeal to both different segments, who prefer Mary or Marie and the segment (which I belong to) who find both ways both very useful.
Because they are so different, they complement each other rather than compete and that means they can cover a much wider area.

Mary is always extremely well prepared and thoroughly professional, not to mention stylish and also crucial, she is regal - with a human touch.
And when it comes to presenting and promoting something Mary is only challenged professionally by Joachim within the DRF. (Who apart from being a man doesn't have nearly the same public appeal).

Marie charms and smiles her way into people and into a situation on the spot, making her very approachable. And what you see is what you get.
It something delights her, you can tell. If something saddens or horrify her, you can tell. And if something is less than interesting, you can tell.
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Old 03-04-2016, 12:19 PM
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I'd say Frederik does a very good job in promoting Denmark too. many businessmen have said how he has made the difference
Joachim, although doesn't get enough coverage, is very knowledgeable as well and gets his point across

But yes, Marie is very spontaneous but maybe its because she isnt in that position of being CP. She is allowed a bit more freedom.

I think Denmark is really lucky with both their princesses.

A wonderful smiley Marie
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Old 03-12-2016, 07:44 AM
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Our Marie has said something political and as such she is (according to one tabloid) controversial. But more on that in a moment.

Summary of a meager article in Billed Bladet #10, 2016.
Written by Dorthe Quist who could and should do better!

Because the article is so meager, it consists basically only of a few photos and a few quotes.
So this is Marie's impression of the Faeroe Islands: "I won't say I'm surprised because I knew it's very beautiful on the many islands of the Faeroe Islands. But still, I was surprised how genuinely beautiful it is here. It's unique. Of course it's a small community but very, very cozy and very beautiful.
And I understand I've been very fortunate with the weather during the three days here.
That what has made the biggest impression is of course the nature. Obviously. The food too is really good here. Especially the fish is good. But people are also very sweet and then you can speak to them in Danish".

About being met with high school students singing French, she said: "That was very sweet, I think. I was a bit surprised that it was in French since I'm also Danish. But the young all saw me as the French Princess".

And about autism she said: "There has been a lot of research in genes and autism for many years. And there are still varying opinions about it. But it's a very exciting project, the two researchers told about.
The most important thing for me in connection with the visit to the Faeroe Islands was that classes for young with autism has been created at the high school in Thorshavn. Young with autism also have dreams and competences. They need to become more independent. That's also important for their families.
It starts with high school classes like these. That's a very important thing. Also because I don't believe in inclusion at all. That's my opinion".

- And this is where Marie became "political".

First a little background:
The concept of inclusion is that children with special needs should be put into classes with "normal" children as far as it is possible, rather than staying in classes or even schools for children with special needs.
The reasoning being that it makes the children feel more "normal" and it stimulates them to get out of a comfort zone that may be a bit too safe and also being with other children who are not having similar issues as themselves.
And that makes good sense, as long as the whole thing takes the individual child into consideration. Otherwise the child will feel like an outsider and the child will not only feel, but actually be outside the comfort zone and not feel stimulated, rather on the contrary.
The problem is that most municipalities has seen that as an opportunity to save money on special classes and teachers, so the interpretation is not "inclusion as far as possible taking the individual child into consideration" but rather "inclusion as far as it is at all possible"!

Prinsesse Marie er helt uenig med politikerne: Jeg tror ikke på det - Royale |
Now, that little remark by Marie has been seized upon by the tabloid BT (no other papers seems to find it controversial though...) where it has been interpreted as a criticism of the current education-policy backed by a majority in the Parliament, but criticized heavily but parents, teachers and organizations.

So far there has been no reaction from any politicians and the survey in the article show that 95 % of the readers agree with Marie.
And since she knows of autism first hand from her family, one can argue that she actually knows what she is talking about...

But BT still try to stir the pot, so today they have dusted of the usual royal experts who IMO have stretched things a bit too much.

Marie deler vandene med kontroversiel udtalelse: 'Hun kan blive kendt som den modige prinsesse' - Royale |

Lars Hovbakke Sørensen believes it could actually benefit Marie if she from time to time voice an opinion that may go against the current political majority.
"It (inclusion) is apparently a subject that is very much on the mind of Princess Marie, because her close family is affected. One can sense the Princess' personal dedication and many will also percieve her as a genuine and courageous person, because she goes against a majority in the Parliament".
He goes on to say that she as a secondary princess has much more space to maneuver that the CP-couple who have to be more guarded in regards to what they say.
He also points out that Marie has become more confident in her role as princess within the past year.

"It can be an advantage for her if she makes it her trademark to be the bold Princess, who dare a little more than the others from the DRF. But of course she must not exaggerate".

- Weeell, to be honest I don't think Marie for one second considered the politicians or had any intentions of saying something that could be interpreted as political. She was IMO simply being Marie.
That is, what you see is what you get. She was asked to comment on special high school classes for students with autism and she simply gave her honest opinion.

Had it been Mary, it would have been very different, again IMO, partly because Mary has the position she has, but also because Mary is so professional. Mary doesn't blurt out with something. You can rest assured that what she says has been considered and if she should say something that is critical of a current policy you can be pretty sure it's deliberate.
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Old 03-12-2016, 09:52 AM
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TV 2 has picked up the story, but it is pretty much a copypaste from BT: Prinsesse Marie på 'farlig grund': Jeg tror slet ikke på inklusion - TV 2
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:23 AM
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mulher, did marie mean that special education should be provided, as opposed to just 'one size fits all' education?
if so, i think the comment is taken out of context.
maybe she used the word inclusion to mean this, when meaning that education should be tailored: is it possibly a misuse of words, given danish is her 2nd language?
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:42 AM
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The word "inclusion" is the official term for one size fits all education.

So IMO no mistake from our Marie. She doesn't believe inclusion works at all - at least not for pupils with autism.
That is a clear opinion and, I think, an opinion shared by the vast majority of parents who have children with special needs and certainly the vast majority of parents who have children with autism.

But BT in todays editorial actually praise her for taking such a clear stand.
Prinsessen sætter sig i respekt | BT mener

There is a follow up: Prinsesse Marie på farlig grund med politiske udtalelser: 'Det er en usædvanlig udmelding' - Royale |
The inclusion-concept has been criticized quite a lot, for being nothing but an excuse to save money. (I agree).

When inclusion was implemented in 2012, 5.6 % of all pupils attending state school received special tuition, went to special classes or even special schools. 10.000 of these were then transferred to ordinary classes - as a part of the inclusion.

The Association for Autism has previously been very critical of inclusion, without dismissing it totally though.
The chairwoman of the association, Heidi Thamestrup, says: "On the contrary we see an extreme exclusion, where there is not room for all to be themselves. Children with autism do have difficulty socializing - they don't understand what other people think and they need to have enough adults around to help them. But there isn't, so we don't believe that there is genuine inclusion based on the individual child".

But is Marie acting on behalf of the association?

Heidi Thamestrup: "Our Princess is very active and is very interested in autism. It must be a completely private statement, based on what she herself has experienced".

But should she speak about political subjects?

Heidi Thamestrup: "I think all people have a right to have a personal, private opinion about things. I believe that's a human right".
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:59 AM
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I give credit for Marie for speaking out what she thinks and this could improve the system. She didn't say anything wrong. You'll have autistic people who go to university and mixing with others so why not start this early at school. I also think that this has nothing to do with politics. Anyways, its a discussion on it's own.
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Old 03-12-2016, 01:24 PM
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"The problem is that most municipalities has seen that as an opportunity to save money on special classes and teachers, so the interpretation is not "inclusion as far as possible taking the individual child into consideration" but rather "inclusion as far as it is at all possible"!"-Muhler

I agree that this is often times the motivation for school districts to have full inclusion for students with disabilities including spectrum disorders. As an educator and a parent of a child with an ASD, I know that it is NOT always the appropriate setting for some students. For my son full inclusion with a little support is/was the best placement for him as he is on the mildly affected portion of the spectrum. Likewise I've witnessed too many times students being placed at a parent's choice or the district's need to save some much needed funds. While I do know that schools must provide the least restrictive environment, too often the students are not able to handle the stimulation of 25 or 30 other peers in their classroom. They become overwhelmed by the sensory input and shut down. Their time in the class becomes more and more limited because they're having full scale tantrums or their stim behaviors become all encompassing. Even their one-to-one para educators are struggling to refocus them.
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Old 03-12-2016, 05:28 PM
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Couldn't agree more, Dazzling and TLLK.

BT has more on the story: Prinsesse Marie vækker debat med kontroversiel kommentar: 'Kongehuset skal ikke være nikkedukker' - Danmark |

It's basically based on the public reaction on Facebook (about half of all Danes are active on Facebook, so it's a good indicator of what is going on) and glancing at the comments so far, it's my clear impression that the overwhelming majority agree with our Marie and support her right to voice her opinion on that matter at least.
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Princess Marie visit as patron of Autism protected workshop SOVI
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Old 01-27-2017, 11:59 AM
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Here's a pictured article:

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two more pictures and information on this event
Besøg hos SOVI | Kongehuset

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Old 01-27-2017, 07:55 PM
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Since our Marie has a nephew who is an autist, she is well suited for this protection.
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Old 02-03-2017, 08:49 PM
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Summary of article in Billed Bladet #5, 2017
Written by Lene Skaarup.

Our Marie as patron of the National Association for Autism recently visited the protected workshop (*) SOVI in the Copenhagner suburb of Herlev.

Here she met an adult autist, Michael Gravenhorst, who surprised Marie by presenting her with a early birthday present; A holder for ball-pens made from leather, and also a drawing for Queen Margrethe, which he presented with the words: "I have a greeting you (informal) shall present to your mother-in-law, Queen Margrethe". That Marie promised.
At the workshop she spoke with various people, among the a job-consultant. While autists are not that easy to employ many businesses have realized the special extremely focused skills autists often have and find them useful. Especially if these skills can be combined with a structured work-environment.
SOVI is the oldeest workshop in Europe for people with autism and afterwards Marie said: "It was very exciting. People with autism, just like everybody else, need an identity and a job (**) which give them a purpose in live. SOVI helps them define their identity by developing their competences, so that they can have a job and a dignified life".

(*) A protected workshop is a workplace for people, who for various reasons have special needs, temporarily or permanently. The workshops take special care of those needs, enabling those who work there, to at least have a feeling of "earning a living", even if they are otherwise more or less unemployable. It's a question of dignity, versus being on "passive welfare". These workshops are usually funded by the municipalities and they are supposed to create an income via the products or services made at the workshops.

(**) The Danish Constitutions says clearly that all citizens has the right, if at all possible, to seek and hold an employment or be self-employed and thus support themselves.
No one can be denied the right to earn a living.
- In other words you can't be forced to end up on "passive income" nor can you bar anyone from seeking an employment, provided it doesn't go against the interest of the society or public. - I.e. you can't turn professional bank robber.
It also means that a thing like "berufsverboot" goes against the Constitution. In other words: You can't bar people from earning a living based on gender, sexual orientation, race and so on. - Previously Jews were prohibited from a number of professions.

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