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Old 11-29-2013, 08:13 AM
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Thanks Iceflower

Listening to our Marie in the video I should like to hear what our English speaking members, perhaps especially Americans, think of Marie's English.

1:20 Q: Being a mother does that make you fight even harder to enable other mothers to being able to have children who...
M: "Yes, of course. - But I also fight, because...it's very important to show that HIV/Aids is an illness that can be treated. And that you can have a good life if you get the right treatment.
I do see in these strong pictures here that... that people are again happy/glad".

- Marie has a very good pronounciation, which makes her very easy to understand. And she use a fairly simple Danish which is nevertheless adequate as her message is getting across.
Mary in contrast is using a more advanced vocabulary and has done so almost from day one. A vocabulary I suspect is consistent with her day to day English.
It's fascinating to compare the two. Mary who is the novice in learning a new language in earnest and who is charging head on. Which means she has to work extra hard.
And Marie the more seasoned language student, who appears to be building on experience and who seems to adhere to keeping it simple.
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Old 11-29-2013, 09:31 AM
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She speaks english with an accent but she speaks it well. Her english is clearer than Princess Letizia's of Spain from her speech in the U.S. awhile back. Marie went to college, lived and worked in the U.S. before she married Joachim so I'd expect her to speak English as well as she does.
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While she has an accent I don't think it is that pronounced, she speaks very well in my opinion.
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Old 11-30-2013, 03:23 AM
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Thanks, dbarn67 & Marlene.
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Old 11-30-2013, 03:56 AM
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- Marie has a very good pronounciation, which makes her very easy to understand. And she use a fairly simple Danish which is nevertheless adequate as her message is getting across.
Mary in contrast is using a more advanced vocabulary and has done so almost from day one. A vocabulary I suspect is consistent with her day to day English.
It's fascinating to compare the two. Mary who is the novice in learning a new language in earnest and who is charging head on. Which means she has to work extra hard.
And Marie the more seasoned language student, who appears to be building on experience and who seems to adhere to keeping it simple.
thanks muhler, i'm always fascinated by languages and especially people's approach to learning languages, so i enjoyed reading this on how mary and marie approached the learning of danish differently.
so would you say marie is better at pronounciation while mary has a wider vocabulary? what about grammar? how do they deal with it and how are they doing with the structure of their phrases?
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Old 11-30-2013, 05:48 AM
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thanks muhler, i'm always fascinated by languages and especially people's approach to learning languages, so i enjoyed reading this on how mary and marie approached the learning of danish differently.
so would you say marie is better at pronounciation while mary has a wider vocabulary? what about grammar? how do they deal with it and how are they doing with the structure of their phrases?
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At their present level, I'd say Marie has a better pronounciation. Mary (like so many English speakers) has problems with the Æ Ø Å vovels. They exist in French and German, so our Marie has an advantage there.
Mary also tends to pronounce words in English. Marie tends to slow down and thus pronounce the words more carefully, when she's thinking about what she wants to say. Here Mary instead goes ahead at full speed.

Mary's Danish is more advanced, in regards to her vocabulary, the length of her sentences, the structure and so on.
Judging from hearing Mary speaking English I'd say she speaks Danish at a similar level as she speaks English, in regards to her choice of words and phrasing. You can tell Mary is used to presenting things orally from her past.
I don't understand French well enough to judge how Marie's level is in comparison to the way she speaks French.

Accent.
No doubt here in my mind. Mary has a heavier, or rather more noticable, accent than Marie.

Marie's grammar, because she is using a simpler Danish, is close to perfect. There are a few typical mistakes here and there but nothing serious. In fact she makes a similar number of mistakes as a native makes at conversation speed, just slightly different.
Mary struggles more with basic grammar, mainly because there is no equivalent to the, der, die, das in Danish.

Example: Car = bil.
A car = en bil.
The car = bilen.
The cars = bilerne.
Cars = Biler.
More cars = flere biler.
Slightly confusing, eh? - A typical mistake of Mary (and indeed most English speakers) is to say "en bil" instead of "bilen". I.e. putting a non-existant "the" into the sentence.(In fact she's switching to Jutlandic dialect but that's another story).Again, because Marie is using simpler words and shorter sentences she doesn't make that many basic mistakes. Or perhaps it's simply more logic to her?

Speed.
When Marie is thinking about what to say or rather thinking in the back of her head "hey, I'm Princess, better be careful what I say", then she slows down and hesitate slightly. But when she isn't in princess-mode, she's going ahead at full speed and as we know she's quite talkative as well.
Mary, that's full speed ahead all the time. Conversation speed. If she hesitates it's not because she mentally struggles with her Danish but because she's genuinely thinking about what to say. Likewise her replies are instant. She's clearly more confident than Marie.

Understanding.
Mary understands Danish perfectly. Even the subtle nuances and the constant use of irony. (It helps a lot to be Australian in that respect)!
You can also tell that she's used to debating in Danish. Again, Danish on a pretty advanced level.
Marie certainly understands day to day Danish very well if not perfectly. She may struggle if the sentences and words are getting longer and more advanced. (But so are many natives).

Marie. It's my impression that she is more exposed to day-to-day Danish than Mary is. That is from ordinary Danes. Let me explain: Mary is after all the Crown Princess and apart from her status there is a tremendous respect towards her. Apart from friends, whose speech pattern she knows and who have a fairly similar background, I don't think Mary has that many "weather and wind" conversations with ordinary Danes. Mary meets a heck of a lot of ordinary Danes but my feeling is that it is mainly as the Crown Princess and that makes a difference in a conversation.
Marie on the other hand meet more ordinary Danes in an informal setting, I believe. Like the employees at Schackenborg, when she's going through Møgeltønder village or Tønder town. The mindset and pronounciation in rural Southern Jutland, let alone the topics can be way different from Copenhagen. And in that respect Marie has a big advantage over Mary, she's a secondary princess and as such people may be more relaxed around her (more relaxed than around Joachim too for that matter), not least in Southern Jutland where she and Joachim are more or less considered one of their own. I can well imagine Marie, being a very talkative and open person, having a chat with the local baker in Møgeltønder each time she drops in for a cake.

A bit long reply, as usual, but necessary I think to understand what I mean.

No doubt other Danish members have a different perception from mine.
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More nice pics of the exhibition opening on Thursday can be found here:



** pp: Princesse Marie : Son rayonnant soutien à ceux dont la vie a basculé **
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On today's World AIDS Day, December 1st, Princess Marie as Patron attended the AIDS Foundation's Christmas concert at the Trinity Church in Copenhagen and lit a candle at the memorial service afterwards.



** kongehuset.dk gallery: World AIDS Day 2013 **


** BB: Prinsesse Marie til World Aids Dag ** translation **


** pp gallery: Princesse Marie : Au service de la AIDS Foundation, elle entretient la flamme **
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Old 12-01-2013, 04:00 PM
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Thanks, Iceflower.

Oh yeah, the American ambassador is gay IIRC. - Not that anyone here cares one hoot, it's more how he is as an ambassador and he has been pretty invisible so far.
But that'll explain why he was there in the first place.
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Old 12-02-2013, 01:22 PM
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She speaks english with an accent but she speaks it well. Her english is clearer than Princess Letizia's of Spain from her speech in the U.S. awhile back. Marie went to college, lived and worked in the U.S. before she married Joachim so I'd expect her to speak English as well as she does.
I actually would expect her to speak it better than she does, considering that she (unlike Letizia) lived, studied and worked in an English speaking environment for 7 years.
The fact that she has a distinct accent in English after so many years (a language I assume she already learned at school) makes me doubt that her pronounciation is so much better in Danish, although perhaps a French accent mixes better with Danish than an English one.

For my non-native ears she is easy to understand because she speaks slowly and in simple sentences (whereas I have difficulties to understand a word from Margrethe). But my impression is that after 5 years (and claiming to learn languages easily) her Danish could be better. Just like her English it's not bad but not really impressive either (apart from the fact that learning to speak a foreign language fluently is always impressive to me, no matter how well you speak it in the end).
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:22 AM
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A pretty severe storm is whipping DK right now, so it's good to sit here snug and warm.

Summary of articles in Billed Bladet #49, 2013.
Written by Henrik Salling.

First December was World AIDS Day and on that occasion our Marie attended a Christmas Concert in Trinitatis Church in Copenhagen.
Here she met someone she knows well ny know and whom she appears to have developed a very good rapport with, the president of the Danish AIDS Asscociation, Susse Wold. She has a gay son and a number of his friends have died from HIV, hence her commitment.

There were a number of songs and music and Susse Wold who read a fairly tale by H.C. Andersen, in English, as a curtesy to the US ambassador, Rufus Gifford, who was there with his boyfriend.

Unsurprisingly, Marie's hairdresser, Dennis Knudsen, who had just done her hair at Amalienborg, was present as well.

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As Patron of the AIDS Foundation Princess Marie attended the AIDS Foundation's HIV vaccine briefing on the occasion of World AIDS Vaccine Day at Amalienborg today, May 20:



** ppe gallery ** kongehuset.dk: AIDS-Fondets HIV vaccine briefing **
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billedbladet.dk has a short article about the event, translation here
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Princess Marie as patron of the AIDS Foundation visited the Department of Infectious Diseases at Aarhus University Hospital today, March 1, 2013.



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I thought the Danish posters here at TRFs may like to know that Denmark's Aarhus University has been hailed as making the "single most important advance" in AIDS research announced at the big conference currently going on here in Australia.

Danish researcher Dr Ole Sogaard, from Aarhus University Hospital, is quoted extensively in a report from yesterday.

I don't know how to post a link, but if you would like to see the details, the journalist is Julia Medew and the heading is "HIV research: Cancer drug breakthrough in "kicking" disease out of hiding place".
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I thought the Danish posters here at TRFs may like to know that Denmark's Aarhus University has been hailed as making the "single most important advance" in AIDS research announced at the big conference currently going on here in Australia.

Danish researcher Dr Ole Sogaard, from Aarhus University Hospital, is quoted extensively in a report from yesterday.

I don't know how to post a link, but if you would like to see the details, the journalist is Julia Medew and the heading is "HIV research: Cancer drug breakthrough in "kicking" disease out of hiding place".
Thanks, Sun Lion.
That's good news. Aarhus University has a stellar reputation in regards to medical research.
I understand however the Australia is in the forefront of AIDS research as well?

While both QMII and Frederik have attended Aarhus University, our Marie is patron of SDU - Southern Danish University.
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Together with the kids Princess Marie as Patron of the Danish AIDS Foundation attended the annual candles ceremony marking World AIDS Day in Copenhagen on December1st:



** BB: VIDEO: Se prinsesse Marie tænde lys ** translation ** royalista.com article **
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:29 AM
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Thanks Iceflower.

Yes, 2.000 lights were lit in remembrance of those who have died of AIDS here in DK.
BB has some very cute pics of Athena, that I might show here, if I can get the scanner working...

Summary of article in Billed Bladet #49, 2014.
Written by Henrik Salling.

The whole event took place in central Copenhagen at the square Nytorv.
This year our Marie took her two children as well as her bonus-sons with her. The party parked a little distance from the sqaure and strolled the rest of the way on this cold late afternoon.
Susse Wold is the president of the Danish AIDS Foundation, for which Marie is patron, and she recieved Marie and all her children. The two youngest at least got two nisser = pixies. - They don't appear to have been that big a success because they are only seen in one picture.
While bette Henrik clearly looked like he was freezing, Athena observed the whole thing with her usual aloof calm.
Susse Wold and Marie appears to have develoed a very good rapport.
At some point though Athena's fingers got cold and then at was handy to have mother around to warm them.

After half an hour it was time to head home.
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If you think you can handle it here are some cute pics of our Marie and her daughter in particular at the World AIDS Day:

https://app.box.com/s/nx6xiur8jm2jh2279rfs
https://app.box.com/s/lco4kfp069mstjbgxub5
https://app.box.com/s/c2e7se16j32sj05bdl24
https://app.box.com/s/sorgcl41rgefd8b5nq57
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Thank you for sharing, Muhler!


Here's another gallery of the event on December 1st:



** svenskdam.se: Prinsessan Marie tände ljus med alla barnen **
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