Prince Joachim and Marie Cavallier Part 4

[Drottning]

Didn't Mary once state during her engagement press conference that she herself wasn't as knowledgable in speaking danish as some of the media had pronounced her to be and had just began to have her danish lessons some weeks before? So essentially, she wasn't fluent at THAT time and she was THEN the future wife of the crown princess. In time, she became fluent. I don't understand the harshness in the critique of Marie learning danish so quickly. The wedding is three months away which will give her more than enough time to learn (not everything, of course).

[GlitteringTiaras]

Originally Posted by ricarda

I didn't say it's ok to take the lax way.

I wasn't referring to you specifically.

But how do you know Marie is taking the lax way?

"I've had a few lessons... yes." Marie Cavallier several days ago when asked by a reporter.

Just because she hasn't said anything in Danish in front of a TV-camera yet?

Read the above post and the latest Her og Nu interview from the ski slopes.

We should keep in mind that Alexandra didn't speak Danish in public until 2 days before the wedding (IIRC).

Hence you.

Didn't Mary once state during her engagement press conference that she herself wasn't as knowledgable in speaking danish as some of the media had pronounced her to be and had just began to have her danish lessons some weeks before?

No, that is not entirely correct.

Mary said that she read that she was perfectly fluent in the language. However, she was taking lessons during her entire time in Denmark. In her documentary, Mary Elizabeth Donaldson, Mary spoke Danish to Frederik whilst driving around in Australia and Tasmania, though she noted that they do speak English together because "...that's how we got to know each other."

She stated in another interview, which can be found in the Videos topic in the main DRF forum as well as in the CPC sub-forum, that she wanted to speak in Danish to press because it was important to her. Furthermore, she learned and continued to learn Danish prior, during, and after her engagement; she felt she needed to express herself in English as well as in Danish during the press conference. Again, it was a brilliant move that Mary spoke a bit of Danish during her press conference as well as in English. As a result, it endeared the public to her. More importantly, she made the effort.

I don't understand the harshness in the critique of Marie learning danish so quickly.

I never said Marie had to learn the language quickly, on the spot... pronto, nor did I say she must be fluent by the time of her engagement conference. However, I do find it bizarre that she didn't know the language and can barely say one or two words (a reporter asked her if she could say one or two words in Danish when she was on the ski slopes, and she said, no.)

Perhaps what it all boils down to is that there are some who believe that learning a new language, when moving or visiting, to a new country isn't all that important. Slow progression seems to be the key for them. Also, it seems, to me, respect for other cultures has been thrown out the window. As I noted before, courtesy when in a host country is very important to me. It shows respect and interest. But clearly others do not feel that way. To each their own, I guess.

[carlota]

I never said Marie had to learn the language quickly, on the spot... pronto, nor did I say she must be fluent by the time of her engagement conference. However, I do find it bizarre that she didn't know the language and can barely say one or two words (a reporter asked her if she could say one or two words in Danish when she was on the ski slopes, and she said, no.)

I also find it strange that there are some people who do not understand importance of learning a new language when moving to a new country. It seems, to me, respect has been thrown out the window. As I noted before, courtesy when in a host country is very important to me, but clearly it is not for others. To each their own, I guess.

it's not like if she doesn't speak danish at this point she is being rude. she is still learning and may just not feel comfortable at the moment. i'm sure we will hear her speaking danish at her wedding at some point. while she didn't speak, she did say in the interview she liked danish and looked forward to learning more, which shows respect for her new country.

[GlitteringTiaras]

Originally Posted by carlota

it's not like if she doesn't speak danish at this point she is being rude. she is still learning and may just not feel comfortable at the moment. i'm sure we will hear her speaking danish at her wedding at some point. while she didn't speak, she did say in the interview she liked danish and looked forward to learning more, which shows respect for her new country.

That may be true for some, but as I implied before, it depends on the person viewing the situation. We all have different outlooks and values. Mine is vastly different from othes, obviously. I view a situation from a different angle. Others do not.

In the end, it all comes down to perspectives.

[BurberryBrit]

Originally Posted by mitchell

A video from Her&Nu
HER&NU :: Joachim og Marie på skitur
All the best Mitchell

I'm getting a bad vibe here. Marie seems VERY annoyed by the press. She's coming off as very standoffish and the smiling seems very forced.

I can understand, but she better get used to the intrusion.

[Gaia]

I see a nervous bride who may have said that she had taken a couple of classes just to respond, when in reality it is probably a whole lot more. I think it is sweet that she is not moving in with the groom prior to marriage. His ancestors are probably smiling down on her for this move.

As a US citizen I don't have expectations of her prior to her wedding, nor after it either. I am not aware of a book that dictates how a soon-to-be royal should behave so perhaps we should wait till after the wedding to analyze her faults.

[royaltywatcher]

Originally Posted by Gaia

As a US citizen I don't have expectations of her prior to her wedding, nor after it either. I am not aware of a book that dictates how a soon-to-be royal should behave so perhaps we should wait till after the wedding to analyze her faults.

Why, when we can have so much fun doing it now?

But seriously, I've watched this video a number of times (one of these days I'll get a life), mostly because I'm fascinated with how different Marie seems in videos than in still pictures.

In this interview and in the engagement interview, it seemed that Joachim was the pursuer and that Marie was and is the pursued, which is not the way it looks in photographs, where she seems at least an equal partner in the relationship.

Did anyone notice that look she gave one of the photographers when he apparently stepped on her foot or in some way (off camera) got too close? I think Marie will play "hard to get" with the press and maybe with Joachim too.

[biboquinhas]

She didn't seam to be like that at all "hard to get" but I think she has changed now!!!!!!Like I have say before she has changed yes!!!She is not that normal girl she used to be. She knows now how to anser the media, short answers yes, she doens't seam so friendly has she used to be, she has turn to be a royal now and not a normal person.

[isabelle 53]

Can someone translate this in a few words ?

22. feb 09:00 Marie Cavalier offer for stripperrygter Politiken.dk

Thank you...

[GlitteringTiaras]

Apparently it seems as if an inexperienced and incredibly gullible journalist from Se og Hør decided to litter flyers around NYC asking if anyone knows anything about a woman named Marie Cavallier; if they do to please call them and a cash reward will be given for information.

So someone called noting that they knew her, and told the journalist that she was a stripper. The Se og Hør journalist fell for it, but what they didn't know is that the person calling was joking, and was in fact working for the legit Danish newspaper, Politiken.

Depending on your sense of humor, you may or may not find this story hilarious... or not.

I'm sure Marie and the gullible journalist aren't laughing.

[mitchell]

A video from Politiken a phone call to Se og Hor journalist
Se og Hør taget ved næsen - Politiken.dk
All the best Mitchell

[GlitteringTiaras]

Thanks for the link, Mitchell.

Honestly, I am surprised how clueless the Se og Hør journalist is. The guy pretending to know Marie, "Jake Hallman", has an obvious European accent... he doesn't even sound like a true New Yorker or an American.

[GlitteringTiaras]

Ten pages already. Time to close this topic. Thank you to all who participated.

Please continue the discussion, Prince Joachim and Marie Cavallier: Part 5, here.