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Old 07-28-2009, 12:52 PM
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I could not see the video jet but how is doing Maire with her danish?
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Granted that the airplanes could only be seen through the eyes of the camera and those who were immediately there. However, Nikolai and Frederik knew better. Goodnes knows, the wedding ceremonly last year was longer, they were younger, and there were no airplanes to be seen.

Christian wasn't there and neither was Isabella. Too young, altogether. Isabella is still young enough not to know when to stop talking because there is something important going on. For this reason, when she didn't stop becoming the focal point, she should have been gently removed from the scene, by a courtier, lady-in-waiting, her father, somebody. Then the nanny could have taken her outside to talk all she wanted.

I agree about Zachary, Marie's nephew. That would have been a very nice inclusion. Perhaps nobody told him ahead of time, or Marie didn't let him know how special it would be for her to have him there, as part of her family.

Alexandra's children were completely well behaved during the service. She was looking over at the goings on in front of her in total disbelief. It's all in the video.
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Old 07-28-2009, 01:39 PM
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Granted that the airplanes could only be seen through the eyes of the camera and those who were immediately there. However, Nikolai and Frederik knew better. Goodnes knows, the wedding ceremonly last year was longer, they were younger, and there were no airplanes to be seen.

Christian wasn't there and neither was Isabella. Too young, altogether. Isabella is still young enough not to know when to stop talking because there is something important going on. For this reason, when she didn't stop becoming the focal point, she should have been gently removed from the scene, by a courtier, lady-in-waiting, her father, somebody. Then the nanny could have taken her outside to talk all she wanted.

I agree about Zachary, Marie's nephew. That would have been a very nice inclusion. Perhaps nobody told him ahead of time, or Marie didn't let him know how special it would be for her to have him there, as part of her family.

Alexandra's children were completely well behaved during the service. She was looking over at the goings on in front of her in total disbelief. It's all in the video.
I have to agree that Alexandra's children were very well behaved and they are the same age as Joachim's boys. However I would have to say that Frederik should not have encouraged the plane making. He should have shown Christian how to make one.

I think Isabella was hardly making any noise until she was being taken away from Mary. She should have been left with her to sit on her knee. Yes Mary was there as a godmother but she didn't have to give a reading or anything. She was just required to sit in a seperate seat. And personally I think it would have been acceptable to Isabella to join her. When the nanny did come and take her thats when the screaming started. So if it was me I think it would have been preferable to leave her at the front than to have had the noise disruption
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I'm sure the queen was devastated, as she sang the hymns and participated to the fullest, like the queen she is. Marie should pick up on this. Mary has, and stayed with the service until her daughter's behavior got in the way of things. Poor Mary. She should have been relieved at the first inkling that Isabella was going to act like a normal 2 year old.
IMHO the Queen was more than likely not devastated. My goodness, this is real life and these are young children, not robots. Marie did her best to keep her baby calm and quiet. Why poor Mary? It would have been worse to take Isabella away and have her scream at that. Yes, it would have been better if the paper airplane making never started, I think people are blowing this out of all proportion.
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Did you not see the video and her expression? The queen was not pleased.

Frederick showed much disrespect to his brother and his wife - and, worse than that- letting his nephews know that it was OK to do that. I'm sure that if the situation had been reversed, Joachim would certainly not have been involved in teaching kids how to make paper airplanes.

Mary knew that Isabella should be removed. She was talking through the bishop. Her mother tried to stop that,to no avail, she signalled to her husband to come and get her, to no avail. Mary knew all of this was wrong. By letting it go, Isabella escalated and by the time somebody got her out of there, the incident took a life of its own.

This is not the baptism of a third child of a princely couple, but the first baptism of a child who symbolizes a new beginning of a new life for his father. It is a very special day for that very reason.

Marie and Joachim made a lot of arrangements and went to a lot of detail to ensure a beautiful church, service, meal, opening their home to family and closest friends. They derserve better than that.
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Well I guess everyone is going to have different opinions. Personally I think it is great to see this generation of royal children acting like children. I don't see anything disrespectful about that. Acting as though it somehow ruined the whole ceremony is taking thing at little too far for me.
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Did you not see the video and her expression? The queen was not pleased.

Frederick showed much disrespect to his brother and his wife - and, worse than that- letting his nephews know that it was OK to do that. I'm sure that if the situation had been reversed, Joachim would certainly not have been involved in teaching kids how to make paper airplanes.

Mary knew that Isabella should be removed. She was talking through the bishop. Her mother tried to stop that,to no avail, she signalled to her husband to come and get her, to no avail. Mary knew all of this was wrong. By letting it go, Isabella escalated and by the time somebody got her out of there, the incident took a life of its own.

This is not the baptism of a third child of a princely couple, but the first baptism of a child who symbolizes a new beginning of a new life for his father. It is a very special day for that very reason.

Marie and Joachim made a lot of arrangements and went to a lot of detail to ensure a beautiful church, service, meal, opening their home to family and closest friends. They derserve better than that.
I did see the video. Yes, it would have been ideal if all the children had behaved better, and Fred really shouldn't have started the airplane incident. Marie and Joachim did go to a lot of trouble, and by their smiles it seems that this was still a very special day for their family.
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Old 07-28-2009, 02:38 PM
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Completely agree with your posts rylt11. Couldn´t believe my eyes when I saw that Frederik was involved with the airplane making and agree that it showed a lack of respect. I think Frederik was probably feeling a little overwhelmed with keeping 4 kids entertained
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This is not about ruining the ceremony. The ceremony was beautiful. These are comments about behaviors among those who should know better.

Children will be children. However, it is the role of the adults to guide them. When the adults are encouraging disrespect (and I'm referring to Frederick with Nikolai and Felix, not so much little Christian, who doesn't know the difference too much yet), then that's wrong.

Isabella should have left when she started talking through the ceremony. Talking in the pews in one thing, talking at the font is something else. Wailing is off the radar.

Re keeping 4 kids entertained - last year the two older children did not need to be entertained through a longer service.

Frederik needs to watch out for his own two, the others are fine.
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Old 07-28-2009, 03:40 PM
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I like the name but I didn't think they would have chosen Henrik for a first name. I never thought i'd see Carl as a middle name for a royal child.
Does anyone know why Isabella was crying? Because she didn't like being away from her mother perhaps?
Well, Sweden has a King Carl XVI... or were you just thinking middle names?
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Let's move on. This is suppose to be a record of Prince Henrik's christening. It is not meant to be a debate about who was right or wrong about making paper planes in church. Let's not try to impose our standards on others by repeatedly stating or viewpoint and always trying to get the last word in.

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Old 07-28-2009, 08:58 PM
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I think that this is one of the cutest pictures of Prince Henrik,

Las primeras fotografÃ*as oficiales del hijo del prÃ*ncipe JoaquÃ*n y la princesa Marie

I was wondering why do the royals name their children after their grandparents or other royals and not names like Daen or Anitha? They can name there children anything that they would like I like all of the names that the royals have but was just wondering?
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Maybe royals have a greater sense of heritage and tradition than others, because of the position they are in? That might promote more naming of children to honor their ancestors and family members.
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It is often because they want to honor family members, and also to keep tradition alive. For example, the male heir to the Danish throne is usually named Christian or Frederik. The names are alternated between generations.
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:21 AM
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Mandy, I think you're right. The behavior issues will be handled privately within the royal family.

It was a very beautiful event, the weather couldn't have been better, the parents were happy and beaming with pride, many family members from both sides were able to attend.

The town also had a chance to pay tribute to their little prince, who they will see often as he grows up, goes to school, and leads his life there. Much pride and happiness all around.
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Wonderful, happy event by all accounts. Just as it shoud be.
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Are there some videos on youtube???
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Are there some videos on youtube???
Not that I can find. Hopefully there will be soon.
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I have to say that I don't really like the official pictures.
The background looks kind of cold and the pictures look so stiff.
I haven't been a fan of this room when they did the official wedding pictures there, and I like it even less now.
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What surprised me was the small or non existing role of Nikolai and Felix. They were not included in the ceremony. I thought that they would have a seat after Joachim and Marie.
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