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Old 07-18-2006, 06:08 AM
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I thik the assumption that people would criticise her because "she is a commoner who met a Prince, he fell inlove with her and she with him and they actually got married" is also completley untrue. what evidence have you seen of that? people who have criticised Mary have damn good, and valid reasons too. And we don't criticse every other woman who is a commoner who became a Princess. In my opinion, every royal should marry a commoner. But ones who are suitable for the role of Princess.
Actually the only Crown Princess that has escaped criticism has been Mathilde, an aristocrat, so I do think people hold the commoner princesses to a higher standard than they would an aristocratic-born princess. All the other Crown Princesses have critics on these boards. Whether you like them or not, they all have their critics and some critics of each princess are as vocal in their dislike of that princess as you are of Mary.
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Old 07-18-2006, 06:49 AM
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Actually the only Crown Princess that has escaped criticism has been Mathilde, an aristocrat, so I do think people hold the commoner princesses to a higher standard than they would an aristocratic-born princess. All the other Crown Princesses have critics on these boards. Whether you like them or not, they all have their critics and some critics of each princess are as vocal in their dislike of that princess as you are of Mary.
Interesting theory...for me there´s though the eternal question...is Mathilde´s personality the reason for the lack of criticism or are it really her roots (???) Well, probably it´s both and the one thing has influenced the other. Her personality must though play a role...she is a little bit the type "dull kindergarten teacher" and gives always an very enlightened and pleased impression.
Mary, Letitia and Maxima on the other hand were more the type "very headstrong business women"...that this can cause a little bit antipathy is not so unusual. Maxima-thanks to her high voltage personality and a very tolerant country-though seems to get away quite lightly.
And that Mette Marit´s wild and little lazy past has the potential to cause antipathy is also not surprising.
So to sum it..the question will be always open, because there´s personality-wise no compareable crown princess...and because I don´t think, that Mathilde will change her personality...
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Old 07-19-2006, 09:36 AM
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I really like Princess Mary!I think she is very beautiful and I don't know her of course but I think she is a very nice person, to whom people can speak. I really like the way she handle with Ziggy, I love animals dogs and cats manly, and I have a theory all those who like animals are for sure good person!
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Old 07-19-2006, 10:10 AM
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Interesting theory...for me there´s though the eternal question...is Mathilde´s personality the reason for the lack of criticism or are it really her roots (???) Well, probably it´s both and the one thing has influenced the other. Her personality must though play a role...she is a little bit the type "dull kindergarten teacher" and gives always an very enlightened and pleased impression.
Mary, Letitia and Maxima on the other hand were more the type "very headstrong business women"...that this can cause a little bit antipathy is not so unusual. Maxima-thanks to her high voltage personality and a very tolerant country-though seems to get away quite lightly.
And that Mette Marit´s wild and little lazy past has the potential to cause antipathy is also not surprising.
So to sum it..the question will be always open, because there´s personality-wise no compareable crown princess...and because I don´t think, that Mathilde will change her personality...
Yeah, I think you have a point, Lena. Mathilde and Philippe don't have exciting public images and in fact the Belgian royal family seems rather low-key and conservative compared to other royal houses. The strategy seems to work for them.

I don't think dullness always translates to acceptance though. Currently Kate Middleton has one of the most bland public images of royal girlfriends and she gets her share of criticism. I thought at one time that Philippe and Mathilde were smart to hide their relationship until the engagement to cut off the endless speculation and sometimes criticism that comes with a public dating period before the engagement. However, Felipe and Letizia tried the same approach and it didn't work. So its an enigma.

I think you make a good point about Mary and Maxima being seen has 'headstrong' businesswomen and perhaps there's an assumption that they're social climbers that wouldn't be present if they were part of the aristocracy. I've always found this to be a bit misleading. Yes the aristocrats are born to privilege but they can and do social climb as well as anybody else. I have no doubts that Diana Spencer's family were brown nosing the Royal Family in a big way and were pushing their daughter to promote themselves. Diana's brother-in-law later got a job as the Queen's Private Secretary and her family definitely took advantage of their royal connections. Yet they all escaped the label of social climber when IMHO they epitomized the word.

However, when a middle-class woman dates or marries a prince, that's the first criticism that comes out.
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Old 07-19-2006, 10:19 AM
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Mary does not have freedom to travel wherever she wants to, and when she is traveling, she ofcourse is seeing beautiful things, but it will be all so formal and planned, she will not be able to just go out and walk in a strange city to really experience a new and different country. That is just not how it is.
And of course everything is being care off, she really does'nt have to clean the house, or wash her own clothes, she really does not have to watch the prices of clothes or jewelry before buying... Really nothing of this all.
And there are al lot of profits of nice and good things about being the princess... but the only thing I could envy her for.. is her really loving and really caring husband and a little boy who is adorable..!
And I am not kiddin; I LOVE clothes, shoes, jewellry etc. and I of course would love to have all the money to spend on myself, and have a cleaning lady, and a cook and a driver etc. But everyone here still knows, at least I am very well aware of it: This is not what makes you happy, this is not what you wish for in life...
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What is with all the glamourous stuff, being famous or something, what is so fun about that, what is so fun of being always photographed?? Everyone in Danmark knows you and everyone watches you, everone has an opinion about you.. Is THAT glamour?
Again, we are all making assumptions here. Until we are living in their house, how are we to know that they do not cook their own dinner, or wash their own clothes. It is rather certain that Mary at least knows how to do these things as she likely had to do them before she became a princess.

So perhaps we can give them the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps with their busy lives, that most of us can not relate to, they do not have the time to do normal household chores, or maybe they do. We simply do not know.
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Old 07-19-2006, 10:29 AM
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I also think that Princess Letizia and PRINCESS MARY have so much publicity and also so many people asking for them and speaking of them because of their style, of their physical beauty, of their clothes!Their way of beeing in public and private events.
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Old 07-19-2006, 10:44 AM
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I was always under the impression that Diana's brother in law, Robert Fellowes worked for the Queen prior to Diana and Sarah dating Charles. As far as I can see...Diana's family has always had a relationship with the Windsor. The Queen being godmother to Charles, Diana's brother an example of one such relationship.

I think Mathilde's escapes constant criticism for a variety of reasons: her courtship was not as public, her lack of public personality (at least IMO), the nature of her nationality. As far as Mary is concerned, I think the Australian press has a lot to do with the saturation of Mary media. I mean, understandbly so, they were excited but in their desire to know EVERYTHING about Mary, I think they printed a lot of stuff that wasn't true or exaggerated some things that were a little true and as a result you have people who don't like her based upon a picture or an article.

I can't figure out the dislike of Letizia. That baffles me.
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How is Mary mega rich? She gets 10% from Frederik's annual allowance which stands at 14,525,727 Danish Kroner (AUD = 3,244,596.31, USD = 2,436,113.32, GBP = 1,335,134.29, EUR = 1,946,967.32); which effectively gives her 1,452,572.7 Danish Kroner (AUD = 324,386.98, USD = 243,560.04, GBP = 133,539.60, EUR = 194,722.45) a year. I agree that she does get fair amount of money from the Danish government, but I wouldn't go as far as saying she's "mega rich". Mega rich to me would be someone like Bill Gates, or the guy who created IKEA, or Oprah, or a movie star who can command $25million+ per movie. $324,000 a year doesn't make someone mega rich, it just makes them rich, and there are lots of rich people in the world. And if you think about it, the money isn't really given to Mary, it is given to Frederik, who then passes some on to his wife.
Perhaps "mega rich" is an inflated term, but I do see the point being made that Mary has a lot more money now than she would've otherwise had. I highly doubt that she was earning $324,000 a year back in Australia as a real estate agent/marketer, etc. I doubt that any of the Crown Princesses in their commoner jobs were making this much money. How many of us make this much in our jobs? This is easily 10 times much more than I earn at my job.

I think that whether the money is given to Frederik or not and passed onto his Mary is besides the point. In some manner Mary receives this sum of money for the work she does in representing Denmark, whether it comes directly from the government or via the government to the Queen to Frederik to Mary.

Whenever I get my measly pay cheque I never think that it came from my head office in X city, to the pay roll clerk in my office, then down to me.

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As far as Mary is concerned, I think the Australian press has a lot to do with the saturation of Mary media. I mean, understandbly so, they were excited but in their desire to know EVERYTHING about Mary, I think they printed a lot of stuff that wasn't true or exaggerated some things that were a little true and as a result you have people who don't like her based upon a picture or an article.
I agree totally on this point. I think Australians were very proud that their home-grown girl was going to become a future Queen of the oldest monarchy in the world. In my eyes they bombarded the public about Mary, and probably told us too much about her. They dug up everything and anything on her, including very small things and very private things about her life, exaggerated Mary's achievements and made her to be a true fairy tale story. Simultaneously, the Danish media was embracing Mary, too, and this led to a collusion of media bombardment in Denmark and in Australia, with one feeding the other. The Australian media would pick up the sugary stories about Mary published in the Danish media without verifying the facts, and stories escalated until Mary was a super princess.

This didn't seem to happen with someone like Maxima, who was Argentinian-born. The Argentinian media were very proud of Maxima of course and wrote many stories about how wonderful Maxima was and likely exaggerated her achievements, too. But Maxima didn't hold fort on the front covers of Argentinian magazines and tabloids for years the way Mary has. In the Netherlands the situation with Maxima's dad provided enough fodder for more neutral stories about Maxima -- the Dutch people may have liked Maxima a lot but they held back due to the actions of her dad in the past.

I think the Australian and Danish media put Mary on a pedestal that was too high and too unrealistic. There wasn't anything Mary could do about this happening of course, as it was all happening separate from her, but I do see the point about over saturation of a Mary media world.
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Old 07-20-2006, 02:34 PM
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Perhaps .......... media world.
Alexandria, you have explained the Mary fenomenon very well. I dont know what is worse when a commoner becomes a princess, being given an overqualified image or to have very few expectations even lots of undeserved critics.
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Old 07-20-2006, 03:00 PM
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Ive tried to read this thread many times and have been shocked again and again. And iam still shocked by its continuation.
I know it been said several times, but the critizisme of Mary Ive witnessed here does not present itself in Denmark.
She shops too much? Imelda Marcos? She's not doing enough work?
The money is not an issue...yes, the Danes "pay" for the royal family. But the state here also pays for hospitals, roads, public service, schools, churches and bums on the streets..the DRF are not the only people on the state payroll. So am i....
Mary does her job and does it well...no one here can know the extent of her involvement in her charities...But we must keep in mind that it is impossible to care for everyone all the time.
There are many commoners as CP's, but none of them are "common".
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Old 07-20-2006, 11:26 PM
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I can't speak for any other Aussie members but I wouldn't trust the Australian magazines. I'm sure they make up or over do most if not all of their content.
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Old 07-21-2006, 02:02 AM
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Perhaps "mega rich" is an inflated term, but I do see the point being made that Mary has a lot more money now than she would've otherwise had. I highly doubt that she was earning $324,000 a year back in Australia as a real estate agent/marketer, etc. I doubt that any of the Crown Princesses in their commoner jobs were making this much money. How many of us make this much in our jobs? This is easily 10 times much more than I earn at my job.

I think that whether the money is given to Frederik or not and passed onto his Mary is besides the point. In some manner Mary receives this sum of money for the work she does in representing Denmark, whether it comes directly from the government or via the government to the Queen to Frederik to Mary.

Whenever I get my measly pay cheque I never think that it came from my head office in X city, to the pay roll clerk in my office, then down to me.
I agree Alexandria that Mary does make a lot more money now then she did working back in Australia, I just think that using "mega rich" is a little exaggerated. Personally, I would just call her "rich". I would call all the Crown Princesses who receive money from their respective governments rich.
And now that I think about it, I see that it really doesn't matter who the money is given to originally, as it gets to whoever it needs to go to any way

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I can't speak for any other Aussie members but I wouldn't trust the Australian magazines. I'm sure they make up or over do most if not all of their content.
I agree lise. I wouldn't trust most of the rubbish the magazines here write, and I don't. Their stories are pretty much made up, and sometimes they cut and paste different parts of different interviews/articles to make something completely different, giving it a whole new meaning and turning something that might have originally been said by Fred or Mary, or any member of the DRF, as a good thing, into a bad thing. This is what happened to Rove McManus and his wife Belinda, last week's Women's Day had a cover story "Rove & Belinda: We Want Babies". The day after the issue was released, Rove said in the Herald Sun that he and Belinda had never given Women's Day an interview, especially not about them wanting children. He said that they just pieced their article together from different parts of archived interviews/articles obtained from other magazines/newspapers
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Old 07-23-2006, 11:55 PM
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This is my first post so I am pretty nervous. ANyway, I used to live in Copenhagen and knew nobody who had a bad word to say about Mary. The Danes speak very highly of their royal family including Mary.
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Old 07-24-2006, 01:04 AM
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I Think shes wonderful and im an American :P
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Old 07-24-2006, 01:05 AM
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I have found the vitriolic writings about Mary by some of the formum members to be quite baffeling. She's Prince Frederik's choice. It would have been more appropriate to cheer her on, not denigrate her. I think a lot of the vitirol is "dog in the manger" type envy. It has been quite interesting watching Mary mature and grow into her role as crown princess. And it's been sweet to watch the obvious affection she and Prince F have for one another. This is not to say the lady is without fault, because she is a fragile human like the rest of us.
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Old 07-24-2006, 01:30 AM
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This is my first post so I am pretty nervous. ANyway, I used to live in Copenhagen and knew nobody who had a bad word to say about Mary. The Danes speak very highly of their royal family including Mary.
It is great to have you posting on this board. All the danish posters that i remember have your same opinion about her, so that makes me think that she is really accepted in Denmark and people there dont have a bad perception of her.
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Excellent to have you on the board QK. The Danish members of this board (the ones I can remember) say exactly what you say is the case in Denmark. I'm glad the Danes are happy with Mary and appreciate her.
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I have found the vitriolic writings about Mary by some of the formum members to be quite baffeling. She's Prince Frederik's choice. It would have been more appropriate to cheer her on, not denigrate her. I think a lot of the vitirol is "dog in the manger" type envy. It has been quite interesting watching Mary mature and grow into her role as crown princess. And it's been sweet to watch the obvious affection she and Prince F have for one another. This is not to say the lady is without fault, because she is a fragile human like the rest of us.
I agree with you Miss J, I think a lot of people envy CP Mary as deep down we would all love to be a crown princess, I know I would. I think she is doing a fine job and I am proud to say that she is an Aussie.:)
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:55 AM
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They look good together..cute royal couple..
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Old 07-24-2006, 12:23 PM
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Actually the only Crown Princess that has escaped criticism has been Mathilde, an aristocrat, so I do think people hold the commoner princesses to a higher standard than they would an aristocratic-born princess. All the other Crown Princesses have critics on these boards. Whether you like them or not, they all have their critics and some critics of each princess are as vocal in their dislike of that princess as you are of Mary.
I'm really surprised to read this. Did I miss something? Critics on Princess Máxima? Are you sure? The only critics were about her father, Jorge Horacio Zorreguieta, who was a minister in the Argentinean government under the brutal military junta.

And I'm sorry: I have to fight that there never were critics on Princess Mathilde. If there ever was a low in the popularity of the Belgian crown princely couple, then it was this year! I need to say that it more had to do with the dumb, silly and wooden image of the Prince. (I don't say he is. I'm talking about his image). Princess Mathilde has got her own share of critics as well, for the poor performance in Dutch, the language of the 2/3 of her country's population.

This is not really fair: Princess Mathilde's Dutch language is acceptable but she, a a born and raised Belgian (which is a bi-lingual country) is compared with Princess Máxima, who has never spoken any word Dutch, lived at the other side of the world and managed it to surprise anyone with her Dutch.

And then for the 'gold diggers': miss Máxima Zorreguieta comes from a well to do family in the residential Recoleta area in Buenos Aires. Her family owns a hacienda in Pergamino, a house at the seaside in Punta del Este (Uruguay) and a house in the ski-resort San Carlos de Bariloche. They play polo, they have a manege, etc. Of course, it is nothing compared to the immense wealth of the Orange-Nassaus, but still....

We must not forget that outside a handful of countries in Europe, there is no nobility. Seen the standard of Máxima's family, with ministers, mayors, bankers, ship-owners, surgeons in her family tree, they were pretty 'notable' since a long time. In fact it was a typical rich family that had a lot to lose with the socialist 'experiments' and the chaos under Isabel Martínez Perón and it was no wonder they supported the Moviemento Nacional, the conservatives which backed the military junta. Something which is -with the eyes of 2006- a spot on Zorreguieta's banner. For many that is.
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