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Old 07-09-2006, 05:27 AM
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especially when she bended down to sign a guest book. Instead of sitting down to sign the book as Fred and other royals do, she bended down and her boos almost fell out of her bodice.
Maybe she felt more comfortable bending down? Who can really know?
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Old 07-09-2006, 05:31 AM
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Most of the messages posted here are fair, but some are so incredibly mean. I believe that, no matter what Mary did, these posters would take it as evidence that she is an awful person. If she smiles for the public, she is doing it for selfish reasons. If she is dating someone in marketing, she's greedy. If she marries Fred, she's doing it out of coldhearted ambition. Sure, guys. She is certainly not perfect, but I'm sure she's perfectly normal, neither a monster nor a saint. Be fair!
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Old 07-09-2006, 05:57 AM
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Who is perfect ? Why do you hate so much Mary ? Cause she is Australian, princess, and not you ?
That's so mean...
Fred & Mary are a lovely and loving couple ! And very sympathic persons !
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Old 07-09-2006, 05:58 AM
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Well done Hotdog, I am proud to be a West Australian when I read posts like yours. They are fair and unbiased comments about someone we all only know through hearsay. I think Mary is doing a great job and although I respect other's comments I do think that they can be hurtful, especially if they aren't true. IMO, Baby Christian looks like a well loved, well fed baby and the way both Mary and Frederick carry him seem perfectly fine. Desperate need for validation, please, she's a Crown Princess, how much more validation does anyone need?
Yeah, I second that. Many thanks to Hotdog for your time and effort to put the FACTS straight. I really appreciate it! WELL DONE HOTDOG!

It is, indeed, so sad that some of posters here are incredibly biased and mean against Crown Princess Mary in order to put her down by all means.

I also think Mary is doing a great job and has fit into her role as Crown Princess so beautifully. I am very glad that Mary and Frederik are so nice to share the private photos of Prince Christian with us. Keep up the good work Mary, you are very much loved and appreciated by many people.

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Old 07-09-2006, 09:26 AM
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Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion but I feel I must respond to this post in detail as it is full of so many manipulations of so called "facts"...
Brilliant post HOTDOG :) TOTALLY AGREE
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Old 07-09-2006, 09:29 AM
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She has no cleavage to show off so I would not worry about that!!!
I respectfully disagree, just look at some of the close up photos taken during Christian's christening ceremony. I love that blue outfit but thought it was too revealing in some of the pics but then again, if you've got it why not flaunt it?!
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Old 07-09-2006, 09:59 AM
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I must say that when I logged on earlier today and read the posts by Owona and Aussie Princess I was quite shocked. I know that this is a forum for discussions about royalty, but I was unaware that it was OK to become so personal in ones criticisms, especially when we don't actually know the person we are cricising. I decided that this post wasn't for me and logged off again.

Now that I have revisited the forum this evening, I really feel I must say something.

Iowna, I don't know the Princess personally, but I can't understand how anyone is able to say that Mary has a "weak personality". If that were the case, surely she would not be able to carry out her duties so proficiently. She has studied hard to be an asset to the Danish Royal Family.

Aussie Princess, how on earth can you say with certainty that Mary has "botoxed her face into oblivion"? Do you know the doctor who provided the botox injections? Couldn't it just be that staying out of the sun, eating a healthy diet and using great skin creams are responsible?

As for Mary's accent. It is not uncommon for us to try to adapt our speech to those around us. Many of my friends speak the way Mary does and it is not considered strange at all. It's called it a "trans-Atlantic" accent.

I would like to say thanks for the common sense and relativity that was put forward by redfox6, Zonk1189, Caswallan, User Dane, Hotdog, crisscross1, Smilla, Karajan, Linda Hsu and tabbitha.

We all have the right to free speech and criticism, but let's not stoop to defamation.
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Old 07-09-2006, 10:34 AM
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I agree with your post lizzie. It is completely normal being critical, there is a way to present your critique in order for it to be taken seriously. But this has been discussed over and over again and i am not even going to attempt to talk about it again because it has become very tiresome.

Anyway, there are people who like Mary and there are people who do not like her. The latter is completely fine, but please, be tactful about it.

It is fine for people to be critical and have different opinions otherwise the world would be so boring if everyone thought the same, but as i said, there is a way to do it.
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Old 07-09-2006, 01:35 PM
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Mary knew how to pick the prestigious ones! seemed to be looking for the upper echelon male too if you ask me, dated an executive and a swans football star aswell, must have got some pointers in picking the up market ones from the whos who in sydney realestate elite.

A lot about Mary doesn't add up to me, I do not believe she is the shy retiring type for a second she knew what she wanted and she got it, kudos to her! but at the same time you have to wonder about some of her actions, starmakers, meeting the prince in the first place, gatecrashing the handball party to find fred, her previous relationships all smell that she was looking for the celebrity lifestyle, even where she was living in Sydney was the it area. Her more royal than the royal attitude and look just doesn't gel with me, it can be very fake and off putting. I also find Mary lacking substance she doesn't come across normal to me, what she has said in her articles such as vogue are a lot of air that tell you nothing about what she is really like, but are very airy fairy. I think a lot of a persons character can be seen in their eyes and Mary's I don't feel warmth from, she almost looks through you rather than at you, this can be seen in photos and is also off putting.

This is of course my opinion only.
I agree with your post. I also feel Mary looks and tries to be more royal than royal and it is possibly due to the fact that she has to prove her status somehow. To show people or someone from her past she dislikes "look at me now"!! That is my feeling from her body and facial expression. A picture tells a 1000 words and when I see her I get the feeling she knows how to manipulate the cameras. Her eyes and mouth and her head flicked back on many occasions do not spell modesty!!!!!
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Old 07-09-2006, 01:41 PM
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I must say that when I logged on earlier today and read the posts by Owona and Aussie Princess I was quite shocked. I know that this is a forum for discussions about royalty, but I was unaware that it was OK to become so personal in ones criticisms, especially when we don't actually know the person we are cricising. I decided that this post wasn't for me and logged off again.

Also I read many people's post about "how dare you criticise. ...X YZ ..since you do not know them..". To answer your question quite simply the person who made this thread is asking a question about Mary and Fred therefore we each in our little ways try to answer that question. This entire Board is about posts with people's opinions so how can you possibly ask "how dare we criticise...xyz"?. We might as well not post anything.

Saying something bad about someone can be good or bad criticism. We have to post good and bad stuff or else the picture would look distorted and lets not forget we are all different and we feel differently about certain indivituals.

I say keep posting your own opinions. After all this is DEMOCRACY! Is it not?
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Old 07-09-2006, 02:54 PM
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Saying something bad about someone can be good or bad criticism. We have to post good and bad stuff or else the picture would look distorted and lets not forget we are all different and we feel differently about certain indivituals.

I say keep posting your own opinions. After all this is DEMOCRACY! Is it not?


Nice post Lexy. Every comment on the board is total conjecture, whether from those that choose the perfection criteria in Princess Mary, and her spouse Crown Prince Frederik, or those who have another predeliction, and both are valid, since the thread addresses the opinions of posters on that topic; IMO it has nothing to do with hate/love, and if they don't fall into the category which seems to considered 'right', castigation, and epithets fall like an avalanche.
In the face of castigation, I maintain that Princess Mary has a dubious upper crust English accent, she would be more convincing if she had kept her Australian accent, instead of trying to bury it, especially as her efforts so far have produced a rather strangulated speech, shame really, it doesn't do her any favours IMO.
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Old 07-09-2006, 02:56 PM
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I agree with your post. I also feel Mary looks and tries to be more royal than royal and it is possibly due to the fact that she has to prove her status somehow. To show people or someone from her past she dislikes "look at me now"!! That is my feeling from her body and facial expression. A picture tells a 1000 words and when I see her I get the feeling she knows how to manipulate the cameras. Her eyes and mouth and her head flicked back on many occasions do not spell modesty!!!!!
I can only say that if were "on display" and knew that dozens of photographers were taking pictures of me, I'd definitely try to look the best I can look and be as royal as can be. Maybe some people would think that this was articficial, but it wouldn't change me as a person: if you apply for a job, you'd be on your best behaviour too. If you were on TV, you'd try hard to look good, and so does Mary.
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Old 07-09-2006, 04:41 PM
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If people have to know royals or celebrities "personally" before forming any opinions or making any comments, 99.99% of internet message boards or forums or blogs would be shut down.

Another comment about body language: There's a difference between trying to look good and holding the nose in the air - literally - and looking down on everyone you meet. Mary is doing the latter, a lot, and it's very off-putting. Some people interpret it as trying to look haulty, not merely trying to look good on cameras.

BTW, royals' first priority should be carrying out their duties instead of how they look on cameras. They are not Hollywood stars or celebrities. Looking good on camera is a by product. It's not the main focus. The main focus should be the people they meet or the topic under discussion or the organization they go to support instead of the cameras.
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Old 07-09-2006, 04:47 PM
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Maybe she felt more comfortable bending down? Who can really know?
The issue wasn't about whether she chose to bend down or not. It's about the result of her bending down: Her boos almost fell out and were shown to photographers in full glory details. Since she's fully aware of photographers in front of her and the chair there for her to sit, her choice of bending down had a smack of "showing off" her full breasts - due to preganency - to the cameras.
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Old 07-09-2006, 04:47 PM
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I really like Frederick and Mary. They seem to maintain the perfect balance between leading a normal life and being royals.

When they go to official acts they look professional but also have this "people just like us" feel. I like that you can see pictures of them with Christian doing everyday stuff, and that Christian looks like just any other baby.

I hope they'll always be able to maintain this balance.
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Old 07-09-2006, 05:13 PM
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The issue wasn't about whether she chose to bend down or not. It's about the result of her bending down: Her boos almost fell out and were shown to photographers in full glory details. Since she's fully aware of photographers in front of her and the chair there for her to sit, her choice of bending down had a smack of "showing off" her full breasts - due to preganency - to the cameras.
How can you know. Did you talk to her? Have you never stood in front of a group and done anything you regretted later? Have you never been nervous and put on the mask of self-confidence, maybe with the result that you appeared to be haughty? Have you never tripped up and fallen or put on a shirt that was too revealing? Has nothing embarassing ever happened to you in public? If you are perfect then let me tell you that the rest of us aren't and that we sometimes put on unsuitable clothes, but definitely not trying to draw attention to our boobs at official functions.
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Old 07-09-2006, 06:59 PM
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How can you know. Did you talk to her? Have you never stood in front of a group and done anything you regretted later? Have you never been nervous and put on the mask of self-confidence, maybe with the result that you appeared to be haughty? Have you never tripped up and fallen or put on a shirt that was too revealing? Has nothing embarassing ever happened to you in public? If you are perfect then let me tell you that the rest of us aren't and that we sometimes put on unsuitable clothes, but definitely not trying to draw attention to our boobs at official functions.
I'm not a public figure. What do I have anything to do with Mary showing her boos or nipples? This thread is about Mary, a public figure. Posters here are outside of boundary of discussion. BTW, people don't need to "talk" to someone to get an impression of that person. The circumstance gave the impression that she's showing off. We form impression of people all day long. We don't need to have confirmation from that said person. That's what impression is all about. If an interviewee comes in in a low-cut neckline for a job interview, I'd form an impression of the interviewee without asking her any questions.
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Old 07-09-2006, 07:08 PM
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The issue wasn't about whether she chose to bend down or not. It's about the result of her bending down: Her boos almost fell out and were shown to photographers in full glory details. Since she's fully aware of photographers in front of her and the chair there for her to sit, her choice of bending down had a smack of "showing off" her full breasts - due to preganency - to the cameras.
I'm sure that Mary did not intend to expose herself. I'm sure that it was an innocent exposure (however much exposure of herself that meant) on Mary's part, considering that it was a mix of a lot of things that led to it from the cut of the front of the dress to bending over rather than sitting down. Next time she'll know not to do both of those things -- she'll either sit down before signing the registery or have the front of the dress tightened so that if she wants to just bend over to sign a guest book or talk to someone, nothing will reveal itself.

Chalk it up to a "wardrobe malfunction!" It happens to the best of us, even Janet Jackson and even CP Mary!

And I'm sure that as Mary has lived a private life before dating Frederik, and since there is a core of Danish and Australian media that specifically follows her every move, I'm sure that there is not a moment in which Mary is not aware that there are photographers following her.
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Old 07-09-2006, 07:20 PM
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I'm not a public figure. What do I have anything to do with Mary showing her boos or nipples? This thread is about Mary, a public figure. Posters here are outside of boundary of discussion. BTW, people don't need to "talk" to someone to get an impression of that person. The circumstance gave the impression that she's showing off. We form impression of people all day long. We don't need to have confirmation from that said person. That's what impression is all about. If an interviewee comes in in a low-cut neckline for a job interview, I'd form an impression of the interviewee without asking her any questions.
Since we are all human, we can relate to much another human does. We will form an impression, that is true. But we can then go on and deal with that impression based on our own experience and maybe modify this impression. The interviewee you'd judge unfavourably on account of her low neckline might be looking for a marrigeable boss or just have a misguided sense of styling. You would ask her questions and find out more about her. With Mary, you can't do that. This means one has to be doubly careful if judging someone on the basis of pictures and impressions, never on the basis of actual time spent together or words spoken.
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Old 07-09-2006, 08:06 PM
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I guess I could contribute, although it always ends in disaster- I find Mary an incredibly weak character because of how desperate she is for validation- even before she became a Princess, she dated a high flying ad exec whose father was also a company owner and her boyfriend, whom Mary has publicly praised said that what they had in common was they wanted to make more money. She was dating 18 year old Swans footballer at the time she met Frederik, and we all know how glamourised the football world is and the God like status these guys get. there was also an autographed photo of her and Sarah OHare Murdoch ripped to shreds found in her bin. this to me indicates someone who is waaay to impressed by fame money and celebrity, as she was not by any means a young woman in this photo. she also obviously knew it or she wouldn't have ripped the photo to shreds and binned it. she takes a modelling course . Perfect Danish is promised by the royal court and she talks almost her whole engagement interview in English. answering a few basic questions in Danish, and giving a scripted speech at the start, read phonetically. And since she has become a Princess she has continuesd to do fashion shoots, yet she doesn't wear Danish design or talk about Danish fashion- instead, right after becomming a princess, she stalled for a couple of months on doing an interview for an AUSTRALIAN magazine, and once given all the clothes she worse in the shoot as a gift, she suddenly found time to do it. that is another example of a very weak charecter. She then didn't promote Danish fashion, and talked about nothing but herself and her discreet and alturistic nature. Now, as a Princess, she shows up tp her events, poses like crazy and waves non-stop, stopping conversations to talk with people in order to pose. I have never seen any royal always looking so frequently at the camera and not the people they are supposed to be interacting with. She has also botoxed her face completley into oblivion, which is a very bad move, and she always shows off so much in her photos- she never holds her child properly, instead holds him up the way tennis players do with those big plates they receive. She also changes her accent to try and fit in with what she thinks she should be. when the Australian media falsely call her down to earth she can speak like a normal Australian, and when she needs to behave poshly, she puts on this really weird mixed accent. I of course don't know how her accent is meant to sound when she speaks Danish, but as an Australian, I can easily tell that the three different accents I have heard her speak English in are fake. She also has done too many tv specials- royalty should not do that. Before the wedding she even did one of her and Fred going around Australia and put her family in the tv special as well, acting all crazy and speaking in yet another weird accent. her brother even called her on it.I can't even put my finger on what kind of mix she was using there, but no one has 3 accents(and those are only the ones I have picked up on) I'm sure Danes and Brits could pick out at least another one for each language/country. And I don't even have to go into the whole my life is a constant shopping holiday. She spent just 4 weeks out of her 12 month Navison contract working. the rest on holidays and shopping at expensive boutiqes. The job was given to her by Fred best friend.these are another example of weak charecter. Her apartment was also impossible to afford for someone in her situation. so also paid for. I do not like people willing to be supported when there is no need for them to be. She has also got her spending even more out of control since she became a Princess.
Also a massive whitewashing had to take place, and people be sent legal threats in order to erase things that happened and why she actually met Frederik and went for him. I also hate how she shows up to official and state events with her cleavage spilling out. On her walkabouts and day events she doesn't do this, so when something is so official and important, why would you suddenly decide to dress in such an innappropiate way?
Thanks for contributing
I've always like Mary, but not lately:( I'm starting to find her fake, having too much free days, going to fashion shows a lot, spending too much money on clothes, a bit arrogant, botoxed...
On Christian's christening day, she was wearing that summer outfit(it was winter ) just to call the attention IMO
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