What is your opinion of Frederik and Mary

[Smartie2091]

What I like about Mary?
well, I like most of her clothes
As far as her role being a crown princess, well for Denmark it seems to work. Prince Frederick never seemed to have many royal duties to begin with on his own. Now, that Fred is married it seems he was at first doing more royal duties, then we saw him not attending certain important functions (King of Sweden's birthday).
A problem I have more about there royal duties then them as a person, is that I wish they'd do more important ones, although I don't think that was the right word to express what I'm saying. For instance I do believe they opened a roller coaster ride? thats all fun and w/e but, I feel a crown prince and princess should be doing more important royal duties then opening a roller coaster ride! as I wrote before it works for Denmark, and it works now. Though if these royal duties continue to stay the same, as years go by, then I'd question if these same things would be so excepted when Fred becomes king.
As far as Mary's motives, who knows what they are. It is possible to not know who certain royals are, I'm from the US and I didn't know who prince William or Harry were until early this year. Denmark doesn't really have much publicity in the states, though in Australia it could be different. No doubt Mary knew that there were going to be important people at the club that night.
I think some people question Mary's motives because of the image she has. Being a fashion princess, and such. I mean when you look at pictures of her before the wedding (like during there dating days) she seemed a bit more real. Now when she goes to functions she looks so done up, like this is role she is playing in a movie. And I must admit she is very good at it.
Another is her and Fred's relationship. True it does seem like a fairytale, and I think from the whole Diana and Charles thing, we as people know a bit more to never judge a book by it's cover, everything can look fine and dandy, but what really goes on behind closed doors? Prince Haakon and Mette-Marit have had a bit of trouble from the press about there relationship, they've commented that it hasn't been easy. It shows that they know it's been a tough rode getting there but, it was worth it. For me it's a lot easier to believe a couple is happy, after they've had some troubles. I'm sure Mary and Fred have had some problems along the way as well but, there not as publicised.
Oh well thats just my two cents. Nothing completely wrong with this couple, but I'd like to see some good changes come along.

 

[Laviollette]

Mary and Frederik's Patronages

Here is a link of Princess Mary's patronages in Social and Health, Humanitarian Aid and others, which shows she does a lot in a country that has just 5.4 million people, the size of a small American state. http://www.kronprinsparret.dk/a1000c

And here are CP Frederik's patronages: http://www.kronprinsparret.dk/ad000c

Also, I can't say that Mary's motives were anymore questionable than all the other recent CP's. She had a full and successful life before she met Frederik and it has been well established that she did not know who her husband was when they first met. No one in the group that day has ever contradicted that. Feel free to read this article from the Copenhagen Post: http://www.cphpost.dk/get/78394.html

 

[lise]

Smartie2091 I hope u don't mind me asking but what kind of duties do u think Mary and Frederik should be doing?

 

[biboquinhas]

I realy like her smile, I think she is always in a good mod!!!!!Always smilling

 

[Lady Bluffton]

With the new reports detailing their spending habits for 2005 -- wondering how those numbers stack up to those spent by the British royal family

 

[PreDoc]

her and Fred's relationship. True it does seem like a fairytale, and I think from the whole Diana and Charles thing, we as people know a bit more to never judge a book by it's cover, everything can look fine and dandy, but what really goes on behind closed doors? Prince Haakon and Mette-Marit have had a bit of trouble from the press about there relationship, they've commented that it hasn't been easy. It shows that they know it's been a tough rode getting there but, it was worth it. For me it's a lot easier to believe a couple is happy, after they've had some troubles. I'm sure Mary and Fred have had some problems along the way as well but, there not as publicised.

Mary is a very attractive celebrity and truly is dazzling as the wife of an heir, but after reading many of the cogent comments here by people much more informed than I am - I wonder if Mary would have married Frederik if he were not the future King?

 

[Australian]

Mary is a very attractive celebrity and truly is dazzling as the wife of an heir, but after reading many of the cogent comments here by people much more informed than I am - I wonder if Mary would have married Frederik if he were not the future King?

But if one thinks about it, ANYONE who would have married Frederik would be under the same suspicions of whether they married for money.

 

[PreDoc]

I originally thought along the same lines; however, after reading through the Dutch threads, there would presumably be very few people who would suggest that Maxima married for anything other than love ... whereas the doubts seem to run rampant in regards to Crown Princess Mary on these threads ... it's peculiar.

 

[Aussie Princess]

around the time of the engagement, an Australian woman whose name I can't spell who is a friend of Mary's flat mate told a less than flattering story of Mary- she was to go to a friend farewell party that night, but upon hearing that this woman was friends with I think Felipe of Spain, she wanted to go to meet the Princes, doing the chest rubbing thing(which she actually confirmed to Lillian Frank at the Melbourne Cup with Fred that time) and then the starmakers course so soon after meeting Fred....later, the woman changed her story, and the starmakers testimonial and photos were taken off the website(which she of course had signed a form giving the woman permission to use them) wether or not I believe this story, I don't know, but that is probably one of the reasons why a lot of people don't believe she is genuine. I personally feel a lot of her behavior since, and up until now is very strange for someone who is meant to be a Princess, and her entire demeanour does seem to make a lot of people, including me, suspicious of her intentions. The endless interviews about her "discreet nature" put me off too. It was alledged her job was "created" for her, as a friend of Freds owns the company, and in one year she supposedly spent something like 4 weeks on the job. She was always photographed shopping and holidaying all over the world. how do you afford that when you don't work a lot of hours?wether you like Mary or not, that is suspicious.Maxima I believe grew up wealthy, so her upbringing probably meant she was comfortable with a good life, but I really don't know much about her at all, so I certainly don't have any idea if she married for money or not.

 

[Mandy]

around the time of the engagement, an Australian woman whose name I can't spell who is a friend of Mary's flat mate told a less than flattering story of Mary- she was to go to a friend farewell party that night, but upon hearing that this woman was friends with I think Felipe of Spain, she wanted to go to meet the Princes, doing the chest rubbing thing(which she actually confirmed to Lillian Frank at the Melbourne Cup with Fred that time) and then the starmakers course so soon after meeting Fred....later, the woman changed her story, and the starmakers testimonial and photos were taken off the website(which she of course had signed a form giving the woman permission to use them) wether or not I believe this story, I don't know, but that is probably one of the reasons why a lot of people don't believe she is genuine. I personally feel a lot of her behavior since, and up until now is very strange for someone who is meant to be a Princess, and her entire demeanour does seem to make a lot of people, including me, suspicious of her intentions. The endless interviews about her "discreet nature" put me off too. It was alledged her job was "created" for her, as a friend of Freds owns the company, and in one year she supposedly spent something like 4 weeks on the job. She was always photographed shopping and holidaying all over the world. how do you afford that when you don't work a lot of hours?wether you like Mary or not, that is suspicious.Maxima I believe grew up wealthy, so her upbringing probably meant she was comfortable with a good life, but I really don't know much about her at all, so I certainly don't have any idea if she married for money or not.

If you want to make accusations please back it up with evidence. Provide a link to the article regarding the less-than-flattering story or delete the reference. I believe some malicious stories, gossip and innuendos have been invented on other message boards and that's where it should stay. We deal in facts on this forum and not gossip.

Thanks,

Mandy
Danish Forum Moderator

 

[Aussie Princess]

I don't really know how to word this without being rude to you but I try my best- I don't feel I was making accusations. Many stories and photos were retracted or dissapeared, and so can't be posted anymore. I know that means my post will need to be deleted for reasons and that's fine but that doesn't mean it's an accusation, as we all saw these with our own eyes, then saw them dissapear and saw the pictures of Theresa Paiges legal letters. I was just answering the question as to why a lot of people think Mary married for status. We all read the same stories, we just interpret them differently even if theyre not there any more I'm sorry but I don't need to post here again if you don't like. I could give my reasons but if they aren't ok, that's ok.

 

[Lakshmi]

First of all I like CP Mary. She is sylish, I think the best dressed crown princess in Europe right now. She seems to perform her duties well plus her background before marriage w/Frederik was good enough for a crown princess. I have mixed feelings about Frederik, he sometimes seems immature but maybe it's just impression based on how he appeears in pictures.
Over all I like this couple.

 

[Australian]

I think it's in bad taste to make assumptions about someone when there really is no solid proof of anything but some silly trashy magazines that would say anything to make a dollar. I am not attacking anyone here, just making an observation.

 

[lise]

I've seen the "negative" stories. I don't know if there's any thruth to them so I like to keep an open mind when thinking of them.

 

[Aussie Princess]

I have a feeling this post is aimed at me- I do not buy tabloid journals, but I do skim the contents page when I'm waiting at the newsagency- do I believe a word they say? not one. however I feel a story given by someone who was there is probably a bit more reliable. I ever said I wasn't sure wether this story was true or not, because maybe she is lying.
So, do I believe that story? maybe, maybe not, just pointing out it's existance, and how suspicious it was that it dissapeared. Do I believe trashy magazines like Womans Day and New Idea? never in a million years. Do I dislike Mary based on her behaviour and the way she has conducted herself as a person and then a Princess since day 1? You can bet your life I do. One doesn't need tabloids for that.

 

[Ariel]

What is the problem if Mary tried to prepare herself for giving a better impression after she meet Fred. She is not the only one and it does happen specially on the royal circle. It is very likely that an average woman get impressed with a prince, it is like a fairy tale, isnt it? The point is, except for getting married with a heir to the throne like he is, there will be always expeculations about why a woman got interested in a prince. Even if she is a noble like Diana, an actress like Grace, a Journalist, like Letizia, a computer specialist like Rania, a princess like Sofia, and the whole list of princesses or queens to add on this list.

 

[Aussie Princess]

No it's not a fairy tale at all. What woman who married into royalty referrred to it as a fairy tale? it is damn hard work, as is know.yes there may be initial suspicions when someone marries someone with a lot of money, or high social status. but you can't be suspicious of everyone all the time without a reason can't you?

 

[Margrethe II]

I think it really unfortunate that many people are naive enough to believe what the pink tabloids say...

Aussie Princess
just pointing out it's existance

And how does one think rumours start? Because of the constant circulation of uproven gossip, that's how. It has an existance as long as people choose to believe in hearsay & enjoy spreading it.

And going by your own admition of not likig her as a person or as a Crown Princess it makes perfect sense why, you, would have no hesitation in contuing the cycle of malicious & tragic gossip.

Very pitiful.


"MII"

 

[UserDane]

I have a feeling this post is aimed at me- I do not buy tabloid journals, but I do skim the contents page when I'm waiting at the newsagency- do I believe a word they say? not one. however I feel a story given by someone who was there is probably a bit more reliable. I ever said I wasn't sure wether this story was true or not, because maybe she is lying.
So, do I believe that story? maybe, maybe not, just pointing out it's existance, and how suspicious it was that it dissapeared. Do I believe trashy magazines like Womans Day and New Idea? never in a million years. Do I dislike Mary based on her behaviour and the way she has conducted herself as a person and then a Princess since day 1? You can bet your life I do. One doesn't need tabloids for that.

But still you have no qualms referring to the job Mary had as one she got because Fred was a personal friend of the owner. Fred and Bill Gates are on that friendly terms? Wow, bet that's news to Frederik as well!
A glaring example of the dangers of carrying forward unfounded rumours and in some cases deliberately malicious gossip.

As to the way she has conducted herself as a princess - would you have preferred that she had not learnt Danish, had not taken on lots of engagements with our without her husband and did not have a really good connection with people when she's present? Because I certainly cannot for the life of me see that her way of doing her work is so very bad compared to other CPss. IMO she has done very very well as a CP and considering that she's only 2 years into this particular job I'm sure that there are more good things to come from her
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[Margrethe II]

But still you have no qualms referring to the job Mary had as one she got because Fred was a personal friend of the owner. Fred and Bill Gates are on that friendly terms? Wow, bet that's news to Frederik as well!
A glaring example of the dangers of carrying forward unfounded rumours and in some cases deliberately malicious gossip.

As to the way she has conducted herself as a princess - would you have preferred that she had not learnt Danish, had not taken on lots of engagements with our without her husband and did not have a really good connection with people when she's present? Because I certainly cannot for the life of me see that her way of doing her work is so very bad compared to other CPss. IMO she has done very very well as a CP and considering that she's only 2 years into this particular job I'm sure that there are more good things to come from her

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Wonderfully put forth UserDane.

"MII"

 

[UserDane]

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...but you can't be suspicious of everyone all the time without a reason can't you?

I'm sorry to say but yes, some people have made it their life to do just that. As it is commonly known here one particular royal site has attracted a lot of people who nobody in their right mind would call 'balanced' and who have made it their holy goal in life to slander Mary. They are a sorry lot who for some reason thrive on inventing stories, one more ubelievable than the other. And there a many more sites of this nature where people have unlimited access to abuse their pet aversions. One of the downsides of free Internet space perhaps - but the old saying that where there's a smoke there's a fire don't hold true anymore IMO.

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[Ariel]

I think that one is the role as a wife and one is the role as a princess, she and her husband are the only ones that can evaluate how deep and true is their relationship and it just matter to them is their expectations are been reached or not. In regard to the role as a princess, it is quite more complicated, i dont think it is Fredrick who chooses everything she does, but the royal house, the queen and their advisers, if she meets the criteria or not will matter to the danish people. The fact that she is been involved in more official acts and activities means a lot, means that people like her and that she seems capable of doing the job. That is what matter the most.

 

[PreDoc]

Does she receive favorable press in Denmark?

 

[UserDane]

Does she receive favorable press in Denmark?

Yes, mostly she does. There will always be Ekstra Bladet and Se&Hør which will happily badmouth any member of the royal family but that is to be expected from them (on the other hand, if e.g. Mary or Alexandra makes a favourable impression abroad e.g. they will be the first to rave about 'our' Mary and 'our' Alexandra!)
Mary has taken on quite a number of patronages and I think the general impression is that she is a very capable person around people, children in particular. QMII was never quite that, always a bit akward.
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[Aussie Princess]

But still you have no qualms referring to the job Mary had as one she got because Fred was a personal friend of the owner. Fred and Bill Gates are on that friendly terms? Wow, bet that's news to Frederik as well!
A glaring example of the dangers of carrying forward unfounded rumours and in some cases deliberately malicious gossip.

As to the way she has conducted herself as a princess - would you have preferred that she had not learnt Danish, had not taken on lots of engagements with our without her husband and did not have a really good connection with people when she's present? Because I certainly cannot for the life of me see that her way of doing her work is so very bad compared to other CPss. IMO she has done very very well as a CP and considering that she's only 2 years into this particular job I'm sure that there are more good things to come from her

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Bill Gates didn't own the company. I'm sure you know that.
Of course Mary had to learn Danish, I never said she didn't. And it is my personal opinion that Mary does not undertake a lot of engagements, and when she does, she does not give enough support to her wortheir patronages. I don't care if she does them with or without her husband, and I don't see her as good at connecting with a crowd either

 

[Aussie Princess]

I think it really unfortunate that many people are naive enough to believe what the pink tabloids say...



And how does one think rumours start? Because of the constant circulation of uproven gossip, that's how. It has an existance as long as people choose to believe in hearsay & enjoy spreading it.

And going by your own admition of not likig her as a person or as a Crown Princess it makes perfect sense why, you, would have no hesitation in contuing the cycle of malicious & tragic gossip.

Very pitiful.


"MII"

how many times do I have to say I don't believe a word of what stupid tabloids say? If I did, I'd think Mary was a perfect Crown Princess and beautiful as a sunset in heaven. I don't buy into their crap.
The story I referred to is not a rumor for heavens sake. I even acknowledged she might be lying. I'm beginning to think I might as well go back and delete all referens to it since the fans of Mary seem to know so much better than anyone else. Yes, I don't like Mary, but I would be critical of anyone who spread gossip, malicious or otherwise. But this is in no way gossip. It was a reference to an story told by someone who was there, in order to answer a question posted here. no one would deny the existence of the story, and how strange it was that it dissapeared. You have no right to call sometihng pitiful simply because you choose to dismiss it. there are 2 sides to the coin and people aren't always perfect as you'd like them to be.

 

[Aussie Princess]

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I'm sorry to say but yes, some people have made it their life to do just that. As it is commonly known here one particular royal site has attracted a lot of people who nobody in their right mind would call 'balanced' and who have made it their holy goal in life to slander Mary. They are a sorry lot who for some reason thrive on inventing stories, one more ubelievable than the other. And there a many more sites of this nature where people have unlimited access to abuse their pet aversions. One of the downsides of free Internet space perhaps - but the old saying that where there's a smoke there's a fire don't hold true anymore IMO.

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well then I'm pleased that doesn't go on here- where I, and others, are capable of forming our own opinions based on the cold hard facts we see. It's in a way like looking at the Mona Lisa...to me it is an ugly painting, and it fills me with a sense of dread....others love it. We are looking at exactly the same thing, but we interpret it differently. I don't see why that can't be accepted.

 

[UserDane]

Bill Gates didn't own the company. I'm sure you know that.
Of course Mary had to learn Danish, I never said she didn't. And it is my personal opinion that Mary does not undertake a lot of engagements, and when she does, she does not give enough support to her wortheir patronages. I don't care if she does them with or without her husband, and I don't see her as good at connecting with a crowd either

I thought you knew that Navision had been bought by Microsoft at the time Mary worked there? It was MS' second largest takeover after they took over Great Plains. Well, now you know.

Please define a lot of engagements. I can assure you that she certainly does her share. Do you sometimes check their website? Have you compared her schedule with other CPss'?
If she doesn't connect well with people she's meeting at her engagement what do they do with the pictures we see then - airbrush them? Those on TV as well?
How do you measure if she does not give them enough support? What/whom do you compare her to?
Organizations like The Danish Mental Health Fund, the Danish Association for Mental Health, Rare Disorders Denmark for example seem very pleased with her as a patron; they represent areas who are not used to get a lot of attention.
By the way, on Friday, Mary will - as patron for the mental health organizations - open a new psychiatric facility at Elsinore.
There may not be as many media people there to cover it compared to other events, but she's there.

 

[Margrethe II]

how many times do I have to say I don't believe a word of what stupid tabloids say? If I did, I'd think Mary was a perfect Crown Princess and beautiful as a sunset in heaven. I don't buy into their crap.
The story I referred to is not a rumor for heavens sake. I even acknowledged she might be lying. I'm beginning to think I might as well go back and delete all referens to it since the fans of Mary seem to know so much better than anyone else. Yes, I don't like Mary, but I would be critical of anyone who spread gossip, malicious or otherwise. But this is in no way gossip. It was a reference to an story told by someone who was there, in order to answer a question posted here. no one would deny the existence of the story, and how strange it was that it dissapeared. You have no right to call sometihng pitiful simply because you choose to dismiss it. there are 2 sides to the coin and people aren't always perfect as you'd like them to be.

The pink tabloid comment was not directed to you..incase you didn't notice it was above your quote.

As I have made known, if there is something that I genuinely see as not right (and yes, even concerning HRH the Crown Princess), I will be constructive in my approach, unlike some.

Mary fan's knowing better than anyone else? Hmmm, I definitly dont see it like that at all and if you do, I apologise if it comes across that way. I feel that we support a lady who has done nothing to warrant the harsh criticsms put forth by some...they are unsubstantiated..we hear the negativity but when we ask for evidence to be provided, it never is.

And really, what kind of friend would spread a story like that if she wear just that, a friend?

As for there being two sides to every coin, absolutely; however I like working with factual evidence when making a point or statement.

"MII"

 

[Margrethe II]

opinions based on the cold hard facts we see.

Your own cold hard "facts"..nothing more.

"MII"