The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #201  
Old 01-12-2006, 07:15 AM
carlota's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: , United States
Posts: 5,875
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harmony
If it is based on lies and gossips , would you not just as passionate as defending your own favourite Royalty.:)
i would, but there were users who didn't base their thoughts on lies and gossips and got really bad responses. and if that's the case... wouldn't it be better to kindly explain why the person is wrong, so that he himself can judge wether to change his opinion or not?
__________________

__________________
Sign the United Nations Universal Declaration on Animal Welfare: http://www.animalsmatter.org
YOUR DAILY CLICK HELPS ANIMALS SURVIVE!
Feed an animal in need, click for free.
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
Take some time to sign the petitions @: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/animal-welfare/all
  #202  
Old 01-12-2006, 07:24 AM
Harmony's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Tropical city somewhere near, Singapore
Posts: 148
Then support what they have said for eg. 400 shoes, show articles that Mary has 400 shoes, and how can you judge a person by merely looking at pictures ? Can I apply that to all other Royalties as well? Maybe I should start looking at their irises.:p

The facts shown that she has attended so many events associated with her patronages in 2005. Honestly speaking that is an impressive list for a new princess. You do not have to compliment her for that but neither is necessary to put her down for small isuues to provoke. She is trying her very best carrying out her Royal duties within a short period of time in a new country and also trying to master one of the most difficult language , Danish. My respect goes without saying to all other new Princesses who I am sure encounter many obstacles in their way in finding their role .:)
__________________

__________________
  #203  
Old 01-12-2006, 07:37 AM
Jaques Demolay
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by angele
This information has not been made up, at this moment I am looking for the article that it came from in the first place, and I didn't write it. The post was not meant to provoke at all I was just expressing my opinion, and again if its negative and not pro mary, people such as your self jump on the defence.
angele

Yup, right.. yeah ahh... look, when you find the article, let us know ok??


Jaques D.
__________________
  #204  
Old 01-12-2006, 07:55 AM
Little_star's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Manchester, United Kingdom
Posts: 5,605
"why do people have to get so passionate about a normal discussion? why can't some people just accept that some users have their own opinion and that it may differ from the others without entering in the stupid argument of "people are getting bored" or "you are jealous of him/her"? that's just childish. i think people admit they respect others opinions but the cruel truth is that they don't. if those people saying silly comments were so sure about their opinions, why do you need to publically humiliate/insult the others with such comments? live and let live is what wise men say...."

I completely agree, I find it more that a little insulting that their are certain posters who continue to use such childish arguments like "jealousy" as a way of stifling any discussion on Mary and then voice their own opinions as though it were fact. The fact is some people don't like her and shock horror, some of them haven't based it on "gossip or lies" (another way of trying to put down and discredit another's opinion).
__________________
Please give whatever you can to the DEC's Pakistan Floods Appeal. Millions of lives are at risk
http://www.dec.org.uk/index.html
  #205  
Old 01-12-2006, 08:01 AM
fandesacs2003's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 3,292
Quote:
Originally Posted by Margrethe II
With all due respect, I do feel you being quite dramatic here fandesacs2003. The same could be said for any royal who is a public figure and active (even not always active) member of a ruling family.

"MII"
ABOLUTELY, my comment was not towards Mary or the DRF, but a general consideration/reflexion about EVERY royal family.
__________________
  #206  
Old 01-12-2006, 08:10 AM
Warren's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 15,427
Quote:
Originally Posted by angele
Mary knew how to pick the prestigious ones! seemed to be looking for the upper echelon male too if you ask me, dated an executive and a swans football star aswell, must have got some pointers in picking the up market ones from the whos who in sydney realestate elite.This is of course my opinion only.
Opinion is fine, facts are better. We've gone from 400 pairs of shoes to 200; that she was a real estate agent when it is plainly on the record she wasn't; "dated a Swans football star" when it is also known that she met him the week before she met Frederik, and went out with him once, possibly twice during that week only. All this (except the number of shoes) is discussed at greater length in the Frederik and Mary visit Australia thread.

I should add that it is no disgrace to look for an "upmarket" partner. I don't think too many of us would boast that we are looking "down-market".
__________________
Seeking information? Check out the extensive Royal A-Z
  #207  
Old 01-12-2006, 08:19 AM
Commoner
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cairns, Australia
Posts: 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaques Demolay
angele

Yup, right.. yeah ahh... look, when you find the article, let us know ok??

$16,300 on phone calls! my mistake

Royal wedding creates $4m debt

There is a large photo of F&M at Amalianborg which accompanied the first Ben English story just before the Oz visit, a picture of the square and Amalianborg, F&M at their wedding and a picture of Fredensborg.

There is a small sub-heading:
'But the queen has discovered a raft of extra costs involved in making life in her household fit for a modern-day princess'

Here is the text (in bits for scanning!):
__________________
  #208  
Old 01-12-2006, 08:22 AM
fandesacs2003's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 3,292
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warren
Opinion is fine, facts are better. We've gone from 400 pairs of shoes to 200; that she was a real estate agent when it is plainly on the record she wasn't; "dated a Swans football star" when it is also known that she met him the week before she met Frederik, and went out with him once, possibly twice during that week only. All this (except the number of shoes) is discussed at greater length in the Frederik and Mary visit Australia thread.

I should add that it is no disgrace to look for an "upmarket" partner. I don't think too many of us would boast that we are looking "down-market".
For ALL these girls who married CP, except Mathilde coming from a high aristocratic family, the same accusation/comment could be brought. Mary/Letitzia/MM/Maxima/Lala Salma/Ranja, ALL these girls married men being classes and classes upper than hers, but thats life. Immediately bad comments start, the same could be produced on the opposite way, prince Henrik(Henri de Montpezat) marrying Princess Margerete, but why it is bad to improve own position??
__________________
  #209  
Old 01-12-2006, 08:23 AM
Commoner
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cairns, Australia
Posts: 21
this wasn't the article I referred to but nevertheless tells of the expenses I was discussing earlier. I will now look for the article quoting the average cost and number of Mary's shoes for those who believe I made it up to provoke!
__________________
  #210  
Old 01-12-2006, 08:51 AM
norwegianne's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Rogaland, Norway
Posts: 5,993
If you have something personal to debate with a poster, please do so via the PM system. I'm sure that the rest of the posters don't really want to be subjected to other people sniping at each other.

Again, I have deleted several posts that were off-topic and not really related to anything on this forum.

If either party has a problem with it, PM either each other, me or another moderator.

Norwegianne
TRF Moderator

__________________
  #211  
Old 01-12-2006, 09:02 AM
Warren's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 15,427
Sydney real estate

Quote:
Originally Posted by angele
... even where she was living in Sydney was the it area.
This is of course my opinion only.
A curious assertion. Mary shared a terrace house in Paddington (conveniently within walking distance of work at Belle) and in a place located in a quite ordinary part of Bondi Junction (not to be confused with Bondi Beach). Paddington, though a diverse suburb, is neither "it" nor IT.
__________________
Seeking information? Check out the extensive Royal A-Z
  #212  
Old 01-12-2006, 09:55 AM
Commoner
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cairns, Australia
Posts: 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warren
A curious assertion. Mary shared a terrace house in Paddington (conveniently within walking distance of work at Belle) and in a place located in a quite ordinary part of Bondi Junction (not to be confused with Bondi Beach). Paddington, though a diverse suburb, is neither "it" nor IT.
I always though Paddington was an upper echelon area of Sydney.
__________________
  #213  
Old 01-12-2006, 10:05 AM
UserDane's Avatar
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,965
Quote:
Originally Posted by angele
this wasn't the article I referred to but nevertheless tells of the expenses I was discussing earlier.
The expenses of the wedding of DK's Crown Prince ? Let me assure you that whether the name of CP Frederik's wife had been Mary, Maria, Katja, Thyra, Louise or whatever - there would have been expenses in connection with his wedding. Even though Mary was one of the two principal participants, these expenses are not due to her.
Had she not married Frederik, he would have been on honeymoon with whomever he had then married. Expenses the same; it was the wedding of the future king, that costs and there is nothing unusual in that.

Some of the deficit mentioned is also due to Prince Henrik's 70th Birthday only one month after the wedding; and the acquisition of a new heavily secured car for the royals as far as I remember - and ongoing restauration of the palaces at the Queens disposal.
Nice fluffy article - but nothing to do with Mary's alleged expenditure. The bit about the costs of taking the trip to Greenland is silly; then it should be mentioned as an extraordinary expense every time QMII visits the Faroe Isles or Greenland



__________________
  #214  
Old 01-12-2006, 10:17 AM
Warren's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 15,427
Quote:
Originally Posted by angele
I always though Paddington was an upper echelon area of Sydney.
No. Paddington is a mixed suburb in terms of real estate values. Although at the higher end of the scale it is not "upper echelon". It's not the slum area it once was, nor is it all millionaire's row. The land is valuable, many of the houses and terraces less so. Like most of inner Sydney, it is fairly diverse. The junkies are an extra delight.
__________________
Seeking information? Check out the extensive Royal A-Z
  #215  
Old 01-12-2006, 10:21 AM
Commoner
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cairns, Australia
Posts: 21
Userdane,
I put this article in the thread to support the supposed lies that I made up about Mary's telephone bill from calls to Australia. I was not discussing the cost of Fred's wedding or any details about other royal costs I was merely supporting my discussion on Mary's spending.
__________________
  #216  
Old 01-12-2006, 10:27 AM
UserDane's Avatar
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,965
Quote:
Originally Posted by angele
Userdane,
I put this article in the thread to support the supposed lies that I made up about Mary's telephone bill from calls to Australia. I was not discussing the cost of Fred's wedding or any details about other royal costs I was merely supporting my discussion on Mary's spending.
I see; still I don't see how it can only be 'Mary's spending'. I suppose the figures referred to (I don't know where the article is from and whether their assertions are researched properly) is the entire phone bill for F&M's 'household'?
__________________
  #217  
Old 01-12-2006, 10:29 AM
Larzen's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,819
Quote:
Originally Posted by angele
Userdane,
I put this article in the thread to support the supposed lies that I made up about Mary's telephone bill from calls to Australia. I was not discussing the cost of Fred's wedding or any details about other royal costs I was merely supporting my discussion on Mary's spending.
And this article says nothing about Marys spending, its about general costs, and Im not really blown away by the fact that Frederik and Marys household has such a phone bill in a year, its not like MAry talked for all of it. Wonder how it compares to Margrethe and Henriks households phonebills, or Joachim and Alexandras . I remember reading about the Norwegian royal phonebills and they were of similar size

Further just because an austrailian paper/magazine writes something does not make it always true (no matter if it is nice and flattering news or not so flattering news) most of theese magazines and papers dont even seem to have a correspondent in Denmark.
__________________
"Those who do not like you fall into two categories, the stupid and the envious"
-The Libertine
  #218  
Old 01-12-2006, 10:38 AM
Commoner
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cairns, Australia
Posts: 21
"Mary spent much of her time on the phone to family and friends in Australia."

the correspondent appears also to be from London.

So is all the fluffy pro articles gospel then if this is not true and the figures are incorrect? It really is quite scary how people jump on the defensive whenever negative comments are broached on Mary. Everyone is entitled to their opinons be them negative or positive.
__________________
  #219  
Old 01-12-2006, 10:42 AM
Warren's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 15,427
Quote:
Originally Posted by angele
Userdane,
I put this article in the thread to support the supposed lies that I made up about Mary's telephone bill from calls to Australia. I was not discussing the cost of Fred's wedding or any details about other royal costs I was merely supporting my discussion on Mary's spending.
This is not correct. What the article says is, quote: "The report showed Mary and Frederik's telephone and postage bill was $16,300 last year." end quote.

The article does not state what the bill was the previous year, so no comparison can be made based on the figure given; it does not state if the telephone and postage expenses are official or private or both; it does not state what proportion of this amount is attributable to Mary; and it does not state the amount Mary spent on private telephone calls, domestic or International, or to Australia.

So we have a cost figure and no details, and no comparisons. Based on this all we can say as fact is that, according to this newspaper article, F & M's phone and postage cost $16,300 last year. Anything else is pure speculation.
__________________
Seeking information? Check out the extensive Royal A-Z
  #220  
Old 01-12-2006, 10:45 AM
Commoner
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cairns, Australia
Posts: 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larzen
And this article says nothing about Marys spending.
No I agree it doesn't directly, the original article I was looking for discusses Mary's spending in more depth, including the cost Mary has spent on shoes aswell.
__________________

__________________
Closed Thread

Tags
crown prince frederik, crown princess mary


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark & Mary Donaldson - May 14, 2004 didem Royal Weddings 632 06-03-2014 07:24 AM
May Newsletter: Frederik and Mary Mandy Picture of the Month, Special Features, Blogs & Articles 21 10-17-2005 04:36 PM
Crown Prince Frederik and Mary Donaldson, Current Events 1: September 2002 - May 2004 Lorraine Current Events Archive 506 05-07-2004 12:03 AM




Popular Tags
belgium brussels carl philip charlene chris o'neill crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit crown princess victoria current events engagement fashion genealogy germany grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta sofia jewellery jordan king carl xvi gustav king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander letizia luxembourg nobility official visit olympics ottoman pieter van vollenhoven poland president hollande president komorowski prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince floris prince pieter-christiaan princess aimee princess anita princess beatrix princess charlene princess laurentien princess madeleine princess margriet princess marilene princess mary princess mary fashion queen fabiola queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen paola queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal royal fashion russia sofia hellqvist spain state visit sweden the hague wedding winter olympics 2014



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:00 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]