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Old 09-26-2007, 10:30 AM
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Thanks for your answer Ysbel. I have tried to google for it in Danish but I didn't find it.
It is a book published in 2004 and would therefore not be available on Google... And even if the original interviews had been published, they most likely wouldn't have been available to the public as Danish newspapers tend to move their stuff to archives where you have to pay for the articles after 6 months or so.

If you head to the library (any library in Denmark) it should be available or they could order it for you. The book found in Bibliotek.dk (a general catalogue of Danish public libraries.) If you're not in Denmark, you might try having your own public library order it for you.
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Old 09-27-2007, 02:53 AM
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So, it was the Wolden-Ræthinge book! Thanks Norwegianne
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Old 09-28-2007, 02:55 AM
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Søgeresultat - bibliotek.dk

There was another book by Karin Palshøj.......
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Old 09-28-2007, 04:30 AM
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First thing, lets set the record straight: Sarah Le Marquand of the Daily Telegraph did not criticize Mary for hiring nannies.

I find some truth to this opinion, it was an unwise statement to make. However, I wonder why LeMarquand feels it necessary to bring up now. As Lena said, people have forgotten about this by now.

But the Danish Royal Watchers is practicing some questionable journalism itself with headlines such as: Breaking news! Tabloid journalist prefers Mary's babies to be home alone!"

For accusing Le Marquand of misquoting Mary, the Danish Royal Watchers then proceeds to misquote Le Marquand and in a worse way because whereas Mary's words were somewhat ambiguous "I know I'm going to have a lot of help but no way is my child going to be raised by nannies" Le Marquand's words were very straightforward and not open to different interpretations. She plainly said that she did not admonish Mary for hiring nannies, yet the Danish Royal Watchers headline clearly states the opposite.

Perhaps before chastising the Daily Telegraph for shoddy journalism, perhaps the Danish Royal Watchers should look to its own journalistic standards.
To set the record straight, Sarah Le Marquand did misquote Mary. Right in the beginning of her article she wrote: "OH how quickly they forget. Only two years ago Princess Mary was making headlines - both in Denmark and Australia - for vowing not to hire a nanny to help bring up her as yet unborn baby. Heavily pregnant with her first child, Mary confidently told reporters:.."

Now, that is definitely something Mary did not say or vow. (And just as a side-note, Mary was not heavily pregnant back then.)

Whether Mary's original quote was a wise thing to say or not is not the point here. I personally think she was probably just answering a question and expressed what she felt without thinking what the press could do to it in the context of Frederik's critic for his parents. Not a wise thing, but also nothing that would justify those ongoing misquotations and critical comments.

As a matter of fact Mary's original quote has been misquoted again and again.
And Sarah Le Marquand may not criticize Mary for hiring nannies but she clearly criticizes Mary for vowing or saying something, which Mary actually did not say/vow. IMO that article is anything else but straightforward, it's quite hypocritical.

And the danishroyalwatchers reacted to that. I personally think they gave that stupid little article too much importance with their response and thus brought back a subject that nearly has been forgotten, as others said. But I do understand that once in a while someone can get provoked by that kind of sensationalistic and falsifying journalism and tries to fight back with the same weapons. If that is a wise thing to do? well....

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but maybe the one or an other "sugar" should re-think her strategy, if she wants other ppl to change their minds.
Your assumption that everyone who writes something positive about Mary is "sugar" and trying to change minds is quite provocative as well.
Perhaps they just wanted to express their own opinion?

I personally think you and everyone else are free to like Mary or not. I wouldn't try change your minds.
I also can handle critical remarks when they are based on facts (though I may see things in a different way and express that).
What generally provokes me are double standards and mis-informations/-quotations (through media and posters).
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Old 10-06-2007, 05:52 AM
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But who are the Danish Royal watchers, anyway? I mean, can they even be called journalists?

No.


Let's get one thing straight about DRWs:
They are not and never have been journalists. They are simply a fan site that publishes as well as translates articles, for the non-Danish speaking folk, and -- yes and -- upload hard to find photos that are eventually posted onto their nice blog.

It's it's impairative that fans of the DRF make note of this difference; futhermore, I wouldn't give to much weight to them, Ysbel. Yes, they do provide up to date information from various media outlets, notably Billed Bladet, but to say or hint that hardworking professional media (from both Denmark and Australia) people lazily take some of their information from DRWs is, well, untrue. I'll leave it at that.


Finally, the misleading headline: I completely concur with you. That's definitely is a Pot-Kettle-Black moment. Ironic, ain't it?
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:05 AM
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I read that Crownprincess Mary took on a new (third) nanny. Is this true?
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:07 AM
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I read that Crownprincess Mary took on a new (third) nanny. Is this true?
No - Frederik did (why does everything to do with royal children has to be caused by the mother??)

Seriously, where did you hear that?
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:26 AM
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Yet again ladies and gentlemen, let's please not take everything that we read as the gospel truth! Just because it is written does not make it true by any means.

Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately depending on how you look at it, people are generally entitled to write and publish whatever they want as long as it is not libelous or slanderous, and in some countries even then. The onus is on the person who is being written about to disprove what is being written. So, and Tom, Dick or Harry down the street could say that Mary has a hairy growth that is a tumor growing out of her left eyeball, and it would be on Mary to prove that it is not so, but in the meantime, everyone who hungers for news would be all in a frenzy.

I work in PR, and it is truly all about the way that things are written. One words difference can change the entire meaning of what is being written.

So the moral to this longwinded post is that we have to take everything we read with a grain of salt.

On another note, to all posters, let's be happy that people come here seeking information, and want to double check the things that they are reading rather than just assuming that it is truth. It is a compliment to all of your knowledge that people seek the answers to their questions here. And it gives us all an opportunity to help others and ourselves understand more about the royals that we so clearly enjoy following!
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:54 AM
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No - Frederik did (why does everything to do with royal children has to be caused by the mother??)

Seriously, where did you hear that?
I read it in a newspaper!
I can't remember the name of the newspaper - I am sorry!
They mentioned also the name of the new nanny - but I forgot it ...
maybe I can find the article and then I will tell you her name.

Do you know the names of the other two nannies?

AND I asked: "Is it true?"
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:49 AM
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I personally equate "nannies" with baby sitters. I had to engage a baby sitter many times while my children were young because I was forced to attend events that were not children friendly. Even the family weddings were not the place for small children. So nannies (baby sitters) were needed just to have a nice "time-out" with husband or church meeting. We are all not lucky enough to have family close by to drop everything to watch our children for us.

Plus, I KNOW that Mary has 100 times more official duties to attend than any of us where her children were not actually wanted. If she didn't do her outside responsibilities, the same people would then be finding fault with her not taking an interest in her new country! The poor thing can't win.
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:50 AM
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Royal Darkness, I can't remember the names of the nannies F&M have for the children. Wasn't one of them called Mette? I also seem to remember having read in a Danish magazine that the two nannies were not both full-time, but cannot remember where.
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:55 AM
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I don't understand why people nick-pick on Mary regarding "nanny" issue. She is a working mom, even though she does not 9 to 5 job. She is still a working mom. So, she need someone look after her children while she is at work which is daycare or nanny. Does people expected her to send her children to daycare?
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:02 AM
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Royal Darkness, I can't remember the names of the nannies F&M have for the children. Wasn't one of them called Mette? I also seem to remember having read in a Danish magazine that the two nannies were not both full-time, but cannot remember where.
I found some informations about it (I mean the names of the two nannies):
One is Mette Hansen (Christian's nanny) and the other is Ann-Alicia Thunbo (Isabella's nanny) and another nanny Mie (in Verbier) ...
That are already three nannies (I found the informations at DRW: "...the nanny Mie, age 22 [assistant to nanny Mette Hansen]")

Now I am a little bit confused...

DRW: "In January 2006 a nanny's assitant/nursery assistant was employed part time. She is a 22-year-old student, Mie Damgaard Kristiansen, known as Misse. ..."

Take a look here:
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Maybe one of them quit... The name I read in the newspaper was different...
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Old 11-19-2007, 01:01 PM
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You're right Royal Darkness, there are tree names
We don't see these nannies much in the Danish media, so I would assume that they are not full-time employed. If they are to stand in for each other from time to time, I suppose the children have to become acquainted with them all.
Perhaps it would be a great part-time job if you have part-time studies?
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:52 AM
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I personally equate "nannies" with baby sitters.
I personally equate "nanny" with AuPairGirl.
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:05 AM
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You're right Royal Darkness, there are tree names
We don't see these nannies much in the Danish media, so I would assume that they are not full-time employed. If they are to stand in for each other from time to time, I suppose the children have to become acquainted with them all.
Perhaps it would be a great part-time job if you have part-time studies?
Frederik and Mary have 2 fulltime nannies and one part-time. Christian's nanny is Mette Hansen, she works full-time and Isabella's nanny is Ana-Alicia Thunbo, also a full-time nanny. In this day and age nannies also work a standard amount of hours therefore a part-time nanny covers the times that would be considered over that amount. Mie Kristiansen works part-time, to cover from when ( Christian at least, she was employed after his birth) needs to have a nanny take care of him.

The nanny working hours are probably well illustrated with the trip to New York, Mary had no engagements until 2pm. That would have been organised so she would care for Isabella until the afternoon when Ana-Alicia would have started work ( officially) and Ana-Alicia's hours would reflect the fact that Mary ( and Frederik) had evening engagements and so she would be 'on duty'.

The nannies are more than just 'baby sitters' Mette Hansen was a paediatric nurse at the Rigshospitalet and was recommended for the job by Mary's doctor there. Ana-Alicia was Prince Felix's nanny, when Alexandra downsized from 2 nannies to one, Ana-Alicia was recommended to M & F. She studied childcare in the US.

Au pairs aren't paid, nannies are, there's a difference. Now a days nannies generally have some sort of formal training, au pairs don't. Princess Maxima has a nanny trained at the Nordlands Institute which is a famous British nanny training school, it has trained nannies that have been employed in various royal households since the late 19th century.
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:15 AM
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Thanks a lot Charlotte1
Now you mention it, I do remember having heard somewhere that Felix's former nanny would be looking after F&M's children. Wonder if the nannies also have other functions in the household though, since for example Christian also attends nursery school.
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Charlotte, very good post. I agree, that a nanny is different from a babysitter or even an au pair girl.
Babysitters cover only short periods of time, some hours per day or even only per week. Au pair girls or boys are very young inexperienced people set to learn the language of their new host country while they help out at their host family, that is why they are often also called mothers help.
A nanny is someone who helps raise the child. To what extent the parents are involved is up to them, the parents. But fact is a nanny could bring up the child with only little interference from the parents.
Of course Mary needs a nanny or maybe several, since danish working regulation demand vacation, overtime, weekends etc, no such thing as the 24/7 shift with two weeks off in the summer that the Norland nanny of the 19 century enjoyed...
However what was a bit undiplomatic or unwise of Mary were her early comments about several topics that might come back to haunt her. The nanny comment has already done that.
The pathetic "I will not tolerate infidelity" might bite her pretty nose any time.... We will see what else will prove to be a buttbiter...
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Nannies should be someone who help us raise our children when we are not around, but how many of us have nannies?? I work from 9 to 17:30 and my son is at the kindegarten that time, when I finish I go there to pick him up. For example Mary is at home unitl her next event. Does she needs nannys during this time she is at home? Does she need nannys during holidays? I don't think so...Of course she doesn't have a 9:00 to 17:00 job, that's true however I think she spends more time at home than most of us and a simple made could do the job of 4 nannys (2 full time and 2 part-time nannys), I just think 4 nannys is a bit over the normal
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Biboquinhas, how do you arrive at 4 nannies now

And again, do you know it is not Frederik who hired these nannies ?
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