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Old 11-10-2009, 06:16 AM
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I never mentioned the state of Mary and her brothers relationship. I only noted that I thought it 'strange' that since the wedding, nothing has been mentioned of a visit by her brother or his family. Probably because one hasn't been made, and I say this only because it is always known when either Jane or Patricia have visited. It's entirely likely they've seen one another during a return visit to Australia.

Perhaps not so strange they haven't visited as it is quite the distance and the expenses involved would be considerable for a middle class family, respectively.

Who knows...not I. It's their business and was merely an observation from outside the fishbowl...
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I never mentioned the state of Mary and her brothers relationship. I only noted that I thought it 'strange' that since the wedding, nothing has been mentioned of a visit by her brother or his family. Probably because one hasn't been made, and I say this only because it is always known when either Jane or Patricia have visited. It's entirely likely they've seen one another during a return visit to Australia.

Who knows...not I. It's their business and was merely an observation from outisde the fishbowl...
My post wasn't directed at yours, MR
It's just that people usually draw the conclusion that if people don't meet they must not get along what is not necessarily the case, especially when they life on different continents. I know quite a few people from Australia / NZ who haven't seen siblings for years but nobody makes a fuzz about it. People get on with facts of life and pick up the phone or skype if they feel the need.
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Not a problem at all, Duke of Marmalade

I think perhaps we'll see the Crown Princely family back here towards the end of next year, if the Crown Princess isn't with child (again, who knows).

The official tour of 2005, the private visit of 2006 and semi official visit of 2008 would have to suffice until at least the second half of 2010, I'd imagine.

Speculative, of course, but I can't see there being a visit before then.
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Jane and Patricia still live in Hobart, Tasmania. John lives in Queensland (subject to correction). At the time of Mary's wedding, there were articles in the Australian press about how John and his family had to use some of their mortgage to pay for the trip to Denmark to attend the royal wedding. So, it is very expensive and John may not be able to afford to take his entire family to Denmark. Jane has been back to Denmark with her whole family on only 1 occasion since the royal wedding. Patricia visited Denmark, without her family, at the time of Prince Christian's christening.
The Crown Prince Family can afford to take their whole family to Australia and the times when they do visit Tasmania, the whole Donaldson clan meet up in Hobart.
Another excellent point that has been made...in these days of the internet, skype (and telephone), the Donaldson family can remain in contact even if they don't see each other physically.
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I always thought Mary would be willing and able to pay expenses for any of the family if they wanted to come and visit...she and Fred earn enough one should think...what is a ticket or 4 to Denmark to her...peanuts! less then one handbag!
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Ah yes, but I doubt the money granted by the Danish State to the Crown Princely couple should be used for flights of relatives. And not even relatives of the blood royal at that.

I don't think that would go down too well and when their finances are subject to public interest and are reported upon annually. it certainly wouldn't look too good and would cause a whole lot of avoidable grief, imo.

I recall having read at the time that Mr Donaldson required some manoeuvring of his finances to attend his sisters wedding, along with his family. It certainly wouldn't be cheap for a middle class working family. Quite understandably. I've no idea what his wife does in the way of an occupation but from what I gather, he's field of work is rather select. Something to do with archaeology or the like.
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John is a geologist!

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Yes! Not only the airfare to consider, but also accommodation, new tuxedos, suits, dresses, gowns and accessories that were worn to the pre-wedding and wedding festivities.

In any event, CP Mary's siblings may not want to take money or favors from their youngest sister anyway! We can all imagine the media frenzy if they did! Her siblings would be accused of taking advantage of their sister's position!
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I always thought Mary would be willing and able to pay expenses for any of the family if they wanted to come and visit...she and Fred earn enough one should think...what is a ticket or 4 to Denmark to her...peanuts! less then one handbag!
i agree with you! she owns her own salary and what she does with her own salary is only her bussiness not the danish people, she still work and earn her own money and nobody can tell her what to do with that if shewants to pay a ticket to her familyy is up to her . i am suprie about the family paying the ticket to her wedding I thought this was include in the wedding expense??
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John is a geologist!

Yes! Not only the airfare to consider, but also accommodation, new tuxedos, suits, dresses, gowns and accessories that were worn to the pre-wedding and wedding festivities.

In any event, CP Mary's siblings may not want to take money or favors from their youngest sister anyway! We can all imagine the media frenzy if they did! Her siblings would be accused of taking advantage of their sister's position!
I agree with your post, plus if the brother only gets 4 weeks vacation per year, the wife and children might want to plan their own holiday which doesn't include others. I see nothing strange in not wanting to spend one's holiday each year with other relatives -- I personally agree that with email and the face book internet, daily "talks" with family is a common thing, especially in my family, who are spread all over the world.
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Yeah, she could start with a murder at Amalienborg
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John is a geologist!
That's the one! Thank you, Terri Terri..
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Ah yes, but I doubt the money granted by the Danish State to the Crown Princely couple should be used for flights of relatives. And not even relatives of the blood royal at that.

I don't think that would go down too well and when their finances are subject to public interest and are reported upon annually. it certainly wouldn't look too good and would cause a whole lot of avoidable grief, imo.

I recall having read at the time that Mr Donaldson required some manoeuvring of his finances to attend his sisters wedding, along with his family. It certainly wouldn't be cheap for a middle class working family. Quite understandably. I've no idea what his wife does in the way of an occupation but from what I gather, he's field of work is rather select. Something to do with archaeology or the like.
I honestly thought that CP Mary could do with her money what ever she pleases...is it true that she has to account for all her spending? Even 'private 'spendings' that have nothing to do with her role as a CP? So if she wants to help her sister Jane buy her flight ticket she would have to account for that and that spneding would be public knowledge? My God, if that is so, the role of CP sound a whole less glamorous to me now....
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I believe private expenses remain just that, private. For the most part anyway.

That Mary's family had to finance their own way to the wedding and that the only regular visitors appear to be Jane, their father and his wife suggests quite clearly to me that Frederik and Mary are in no position to ethically pay for her family's travel expenses, accommodation etc and so forth.

Sure, its their 'personal' income, but it's hardly 'personal'. Not when your being payed directly by the government and have your financial position made public annually.

I think her family would prefer to avoid the possibility of any such information finding its way to the tabloids. "Mary's freeloading Australian relatives come to stay". BB, SogH and any other tabloid would be all over it and it would place the Crown Princely couple in an unfortunate situation. Anti monarchy groups and opposing parliamentary parties would have a field day. Should it be that they would do it even if only once, then that one time would stick like mud to a blanket. And to be honest, I don't think her family should benefit in such a way from her and her husband's wealth.

I know I wouldn't expect my wealthy businessman brother to pay for my airfares to New York to see him, and I'd imagine Mary's siblings would feel much the same. Particularly given the delicate nature that is public approval....the monarchy's main source of existance.

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And in addition to that, who knows if Mary's relatives are really keen to visit her in person since there are other ways to stay in contact? Apart from the money issue or the long flight time it's a lot of hassle - not everybody likes the idea of staying in a royal household as a guest, surrounded by people who have to follow their own daily agenda, let alone paparazzi taking pictures the minute you leave the house, coming up with ridiculous stories or commenting on your appearance. If I lived in Oz and my sister had married a prince in Europe, for exactly those reasons neither I nor my siblings or parents would be keen to visit her, what doesn't mean that our relationship was strained but only adapting to reality or personal choice of way of life.
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Well, at the time of my brother wedding I did not have the moeny to go to his wedding a long flight from los angeles to bueos aires but i really wanted to be there my brother paid for my flight and my husband and i did not see anything wrong with that he had the money to afford it! and i was glad he did i would have felt terrible not to be at this wedding! but of course my brother is not a public figure like mary
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And in addition to that, who knows if Mary's relatives are really keen to visit her in person since there are other ways to stay in contact? Apart from the money issue or the long flight time it's a lot of hassle - not everybody likes the idea of staying in a royal household as a guest, surrounded by people who have to follow their own daily agenda, let alone paparazzi taking pictures the minute you leave the house, coming up with ridiculous stories or commenting on your appearance. If I lived in Oz and my sister had married a prince in Europe, for exactly those reasons neither I nor my siblings or parents would be keen to visit her, what doesn't mean that our relationship was strained but only adapting to reality or personal choice of way of life.
You made the points exactly right. Not everyone's idea of a relaxing holiday, especially when you have only a few weeks off work per year.
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Adding my two cents:

Yes, we don't know the relationship between Mary and her siblings and thank goodness for technology...as previously mentioned there are tons of way to stay in touch and with cell phones its not as expensive to call internationally.

I also agree that if Mary was to pay for her siblings and their family to travel to Denmark that would create unwanted attention and comments. And really, who needs that? And lets be honest, when kids get older they want "funner" vacations, and I know families who have kids in school activities (like baseketball) who use their vacations to participate in basketball tournaments, etc. So sometimes the funds and time could not be readily available to travel to Denmark.

In addition, not to compare famillies but its great that Mary is so removed distance wise from her siblings (althought she would like to se them more during special occassions I am sure).

I am not Australian but I would imagine that unless Mary comes to Australia or they travel to Denmark, you don't hear too much about her family. Unlike say the family of CP Letizia who receive a lot of press in Spain mainly just because of CP Letizia. Or Kate Middleton or Jane (the sister of Sarah, Duchess of York). Now there is debate on whether or not any of these people (Kate Middleton or the sister of Letizia) seek the press, I am not trying to stir that discussion in this thread but because of the distance....Jane, Patricia and John are somewhat removed from Mary's tabloid life. Hope this makes sense.
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In such case, I think Mary's siblings are incredibly lucky that they are able to keep their privacy. That's pretty unusual, though, considering Australia's media can be notorious in gossip...?
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In such case, I think Mary's siblings are incredibly lucky that they are able to keep their privacy. That's pretty unusual, though, considering Australia's media can be notorious in gossip...?
I think the press is more interested in Mary and do respect the lives of her family. But when she is in Australia they do bother her sister while Mary was staying at her home but that was only because she was there.
I think its respecting them if not then it would be quite easy to photograph them since they do know where they live, will they do know where Jane lives.
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Crown Princess Mary's father, John Donaldson, recently opened an exhibition in Copenhagen.

Billed-Bladet - Marys far åbner udstilling i København

It was called "Cool Globe". He opened it with the Danish Environmental Minister, Connie Hedegaard. Susan Moody, Mary's stepmother, was also present at the event. It focuses on environmental responsibility. Donaldson spoke about how everyone can help the environment by doing little things like turning off lights when one is not in a room and driving less. The article also mentions that the Donaldsons recently cared for Christian and Isabella while Mary and Frederik were in Vietnam. It says that Mary's father loves being a grandfather.
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