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Old 07-12-2007, 04:32 AM
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Sigh, yes an ability to read accurately would be nice. My post about Mary attending a Milan fashion show was in response to another poster's question about whether or not Mary had attended fashion shows other than those dealing with her patronages. Yes there were pictures and an article that's how I know that she went to Milan with her stylist..
Yes I asked you about that. Another poster also remembered that she took this private trip a year or two ago.

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The negative connotation that sticks with Mary over her attendence at fashion events is because she started with those events. ....
Mary started with fashion and then moved onto the Danish refugee council, World Health but the perception stayed in regards to her being a light weight because of the fashion angle. .
When exactly was it announced that she would be patron of CIFF e.g.? I have contacted the press manager's office to ask this but the office is closed in July for the holidays - so if you know the date (month and year will do) that would be very helpful.

Date examples of some of her other patronages - as announced on the websites of the various organizations:

January 2005: Patron for the Danish Heart Association
January 2005: Patron for Julemærkefonden - The Danish Christmas Seal which helps disadvantaged children in Denmark
March 2005: Patron for Forskningens Døgn (Festival of Research)
4th May 2005: Patronage for Sjældne diagnoser (Rare Diseases - an umbrella organisation of 34 associations for families with rare diseases and disabilities) is announced on their website
May 2005: Mentioned as partron of the Danish Youth Association of Science
May 2005: Patron of Nyreforeningen - The Danish Kidney Association
14th May 2005: Patron of Dansk Flygtningehjælp - The Danish Refugee Council

So what you are saying is that Mary took on the patronage of her fashion-related activities as soon as 2004? The same year she was married? Or did it happen at the same time with the examples I have mentioned above, e.g. in January 2005?

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( Regardless of whether or not it's a major industry, fishing is too but she didn't promote that)
Sadly no; the Danish fishing industry now compared to pre-EU entry is neglible. Doing a fishing patronage from a financial point of view would therefore be a lost cause.
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Sadly no; the Danish fishing industry now compared to pre-EU entry is neglible. Doing a fishing patronage from a financial point of view would therefore be a lost cause.
Sailing is an important tourist attraction of Denmark - lots of German rent boats there or sail the "Danish Southern Seas" area starting from German harbours - my family included. So Fred and Mary sailing is in support of the tourism industry as there is a competition with the Mediterranean ports.
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Sailing is an important tourist attraction of Denmark - lots of German rent boats there or sail the "Danish Southern Seas" area starting from German harbours - my family included. So Fred and Mary sailing is in support of the tourism industry as there is a competition with the Mediterranean ports.
That's true Jo of Palatine; sailing has become big in later years; if you see the former fishing ports, they now hold a lot of sailing and leisure boats. I was at the harbour of Gilleleje in North Zealand recently, and it is now almost entirely boats for rent and privately owned boats. There are very few full-time occupied fishing boats left; and Gilleleje used to be such a busy fishing port - a bit sad to see.
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Old 07-12-2007, 06:02 AM
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Crown Princess Mary's patronages
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Old 07-12-2007, 06:29 AM
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Thanks a lot Harmony
So a lot of her patronages were announced concurrently in January 2005 - and her patronage for CIFF and Designers Nest did not come first - as some seem to think.
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Thanks a lot Harmony
So a lot of her patronages were announced concurrently in January 2005 - and her patronage for CIFF and Designers Nest did not come first - as some seem to think.
It's not the announcement of the patronages that came first but rather her attendence at the Danish fashion shows. Mary's first 2 solo engagements were to do with horses ( presentation of prizes, exhibition of horse pictures) that was a way to ease her gently into royal engagements as it was an area of interest. She attended Danish fashion parades in Aug 2004 ( is that when CIFF parades are on?) again as a way I suppose of easing her into royal engagements in an area that held some interest. She was attending parades before her official patronage was announced.
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It's not the announcement of the patronages that came first but rather her attendence at the Danish fashion shows. Mary's first 2 solo engagements were to do with horses ( presentation of prizes, exhibition of horse pictures) that was a way to ease her gently into royal engagements as it was an area of interest. She attended Danish fashion parades in Aug 2004 ( is that when CIFF parades are on?) again as a way I suppose of easing her into royal engagements in an area that held some interest. She was attending parades before her official patronage was announced.
Yes, I remember that she started doing events on her own very quickly - and you are right it was horse shows (perhaps a stand-in for Benedikte who usually does horse shows here)
It is very probable that it was a CIFF show she watched if it was in August (they are held August and February).
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Back from a quick bit of research. ( thought that would be more accurate than relying on my memory!) Mary attended CIFF 5th August 2004.
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Old 07-12-2007, 08:50 AM
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Just a friendly reminder. We are all here to state our opinons, and whether we agree with other posters or not, we should not take anything they say personally.

By the same token, if you wish to address a specific poster individually, please do so via PM. This is obviously a thread that garners some serious divides in opinion, so if you want to post here, be prepared to take the heat that comes with people agreeing or more likely disagreeing with what you are saying.
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It's not the announcement of the patronages that came first but rather her attendence at the Danish fashion shows.
Again, why does it matter so much that the fashion shows came first?
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Old 07-12-2007, 09:37 AM
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Oh for crying out loud. Perhaps CIFF was the only organization that already had an event in place that she could attend without too much extra fuss in the immediate time after the announcement of her patronage.

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Sorry, Empress but that is not what I'm asking. I'm just asking why the fact that she was associated with fashion events first starting several years ago still induces people to call Mary flighty and shallow after all these years when a lot has changed about her life and her patronages.
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Old 07-12-2007, 09:51 AM
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No no Ysbel. That comment was not aimed at you, but at the general discussion of fashion. I meant for my comment to act in tandem with yours! I completely agree with you. I have no idea why after 18 pages of discussion we are still stuck on the fashion and her being called flighty because of it!
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Sorry, Empress but that is not what I'm asking. I'm just asking why the fact that she was associated with fashion events first starting several years ago still induces people to call Mary flighty and shallow after all these years when a lot has changed about her life and her patronages.
This is what I wonder too. Look at her patronages and the topics the is involved in. Why not going to fashion shows and wearing designer if the rest is ok such as workload and giving birth to babies and making the heir to the throne happy?

If you look at other CPs it's already more you could ask for.
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No no Ysbel. That comment was not aimed at you, but at the general discussion of fashion. I meant for my comment to act in tandem with yours! I completely agree with you. I have no idea why after 18 pages of discussion we are still stuck on the fashion and her being called flighty because of it!
Ah now I see Empress! I was a little slow on the uptake this morning! I blame it on posting before I had my coffee!

There are two things I wonder at:

Why the mere association with fashion (ie. the CIFF) means that Mary is flighty. I'm a pretty serious person. I like royalty. Some would think that royalty is a flighty hobby but I doubt if anyone would call me flighty (although some of my friends question my sanity sometimes)

Why these fashion shows that Mary went to at the beginning (and the photo shoots, etc.) made such an impression on a segment of the population - and they made much more of an impression than what they see Mary doing today.

I don't think this is confined to Mary. Joachim's girlfriend Marie was especially candid in a couple of interviews when she first dated Joachim and hasn't done interviews since. But still you'll find people who will call her a blabbermouth and say she can't be trusted whereas other people like me will say at first, she sounds a little flaky, I don't know about her, but then we change our minds and say, well she hasn't done that for awhile and they are still dating so there must be more to her and the relationship than we guessed.

Its an interesting phenomenon with these ladies that the Danish princes choose that make people hang onto an impression they first get and then for some reason, that impression doesn't change even though the situation changes. I haven't seen it with any other Crown Princess.
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:09 PM
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Is it a refelction on CP Mary's personality when Danish journalists write articles like this?

MARY AND THE LANGUAGE (by Henrik Qvortrup)

Many have wondered why the CPCouple willingly give interviews to foreign magazines, but steer clear of the danish ones. Lately, Jes Dorph-Petersen has criticised the pair for neglecting the danes that in reality are the basis for their existence.
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:20 PM
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Give her a break. That she is still (in the perception of some) lacking confidence in her spoken Danish is completely understandable. Learning a foreign language as an adult is exceptionally difficult and requires the brain to "rewire" itself - it's much more difficult than learning a second language as a child. That Mary is reluctant to speak more than a few sentences in Danish should not been seen as a personality fault but rather the completely understandable reluctance of someone who knows their every move is being watched to place themselves at the mercy of an unforgiving public.

I am an Australian woman, of Mary's age (or thereabouts) and I have nothing but respect for what she has done. I truly believe that her internal strength and her faithfulness to herself and to her upbringing are the reasons she is who and where she is.

More power to her.
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The only time anyone could fairly criticize Mary's Danish, is if shes wasn't attempting at all!
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The only time anyone could fairly criticize Mary's Danish, is if shes wasn't attempting at all!
Isn't that what the journalist's observation is about? - not much attempt.
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Old 07-12-2007, 01:33 PM
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She attended Danish fashion parades in Aug 2004 ( is that when CIFF parades are on?) again as a way I suppose of easing her into royal engagements in an area that held some interest. She was attending parades before her official patronage was announced.
HRH CPss Mary also attended the solo events below before her patronages were announced

Attended and presented the prizes at the Danish championship in pony show jumping in Silkeborg -13.june 2004. She was one of the judges too.

Opening a "health week" in Fredensborg - Thursday 9.september 2004

Opening of photoexhibition- 28. september 2004

The inauguration of the last part of the highway E39, Aalborg - Hirtshals -Saturday 9.october 2004

Attended a Pink Tribute lunch in the American ambassador's residence, Copenhagen - Friday 1.october 2004

Attended the opening of a stamps fair in Copenhagen - Friday 5.november 2004

Opening of the international week for the educations in Cirius Danmark, Copenhagen - 15.november 2004

Inauguration of the new nursing center, Teglgårdsparken in Kolding-
25.november 2004

Visited an institution for the blind in Fredensborg - 6.december 2004 at 10 am

Presented the Philips Nordic Prize 2004 in Copenhagen - 6.december 2004 at 2pm

Inauguration Bov muncipality's new nursing and senior center "Rønshave" - 11.december 2004
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