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Old 06-30-2007, 09:14 PM
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She hasn't attended a fashion show since she was pregnant with Christian. Yes, she attends one everytime she visits the CIFF, but that's part of the visit, to see the season's collection, obvioustly. She has to do that, as a patron of Danish Fashion.

It's not that she is critized when she attends disease-related events, it's just that noone talks about it. They prefer to critize her when she attends one of the two fashion events a year, coz most of what she does has something to do with the Danish Heart, cancer or Brain Injury foundation. There are not taken pictures of when she fx. opens a hostel, visits the patients, only when she cuts the ribbon. And that's when she's accused of being nothing but a ribbon cutter. And when she makes speaches for WHO, people just say she didn't write it herself. I mean, you say it like she never attends those health/disease events when you say "IF she decided to attend disease-related events", the truth is that that's what she does most of the time, but many of you are just closing your eyes to it, you don't want to realize it, because it's SO much easier to say "I don't like Mary, I can't say why, all I can say is that she is a fashion horse and LOVES the cameras". Now that's depth
(and no, you're not one of those people Carlota, you're posts are very argumentative, even though I don't agree at times)



And no, Frederik's sailing is not figured in their calender.
This post gives me the chance to ask what charties/foundations/causes she supports or patrons,are the Danish Heart and The Brain Injury foundation something she actively supports and are ther others she leands her support to? I hear mainly about her clothes,marriage,children ect.Thanks
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Old 06-30-2007, 09:16 PM
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Well, I can't speak for the Danes, but my impression when Frederik and Mary were on holidays in Hobart was that they were friendly and affable. I don't know how formally or casually they think that their Crown Prince should be when on a private holiday, for which he and his wife paid, we were told.

If they haven't given an interview to the Danish press, exclusively for the Danes, then that's between them and their local press, it has nothing to do with Australia, then or now.

The Australian interview was an endeavour to keep the press off their backs for the duration of their private break. Personally, I think that the press from both countries had quite a cheek in expecting anything from them at all at that time.

Yes, you're right Crisscross1, I did see Frederik and Mary when the princess was born. I don't think that the discussion with the press was specifically geared towards Australia, though. I could be wrong of course, as it's unlikely that Australian television would show either of them speaking Danish at any length.
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Old 06-30-2007, 09:29 PM
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Yes, but for a Dane isn't that insulting don't you think? They are after all the Crown Prince and Crown Princess of DENMARK not Austraila.
I can't see why I'm 100% certain that the english responses were subtitled in Danish (as is expected), and more Danish speak English and Australian's do Danish.

Again, they were in Australia, on an Australian tour, and often that not media networks axchange (through whatever means) extracts or full articles for the benefit of those (media coporations) who wish to pursue the material. They may be the Crown Prince and Crown Princess of Denmark, but why would they then allow the Australian media contingent to be present at the interview if the language "of choice" was to remain Danish? There is no real logic in that.
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Old 06-30-2007, 09:35 PM
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but why would they then allow the Australian media contingent to be present at the interview if the language "of choice" was to remain Danish? There is no real logic in that.
Seriously? Okay.


Think about:
If a Danish reporter, from TV2 or another Danish media outlet, asked you a question in Danish, with more than army of Danish commentators who flew halfway around the world to report about you, wouldn't you are anyone with half a brain respond in Danish?

I would. First, I would respond in Danish then I would say it again in English for the Austrailan media.

Capiche?
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Old 06-30-2007, 09:36 PM
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When you have more than an army of Danish media there, don't you believe it is wise to speak Danish when asked a question in Danish?
As I said previously though, if the event had been in Denmark and the Aussie media had been there in large numbers, I wouldn't have thought it rude if Mary and Fred spoke is Danish and the words were played here with English interpreters. It is a tough topic and one I think that will never resolved to the satisfaction of all those involved. I just love to see and hear Mary and Fred and wouldn't care if they spoke in English, French, Danish, Japanese or outer Mongolian?
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This post gives me the chance to ask what charties/foundations/causes she supports or patrons,are the Danish Heart and The Brain Injury foundation something she actively supports and are ther others she leands her support to? I hear mainly about her clothes,marriage,children ect.Thanks
Empress listed all of Mary's patronages in this post
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It is a tough topic and one I think that will never resolved to the satisfaction of all those involved.
You hit it on the mark.

I believe I'm more aware and sensitive about speaking and responding in the right language when asked a question (meaning: If my Spanish friends asked me something in Spanish, I would (no question) would respond in Spanish. Same goes for Hebrew. If one of my Israeli friends asked me something in Hebrew I would respond in Hebrew.)


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Old 06-30-2007, 09:45 PM
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You hit it on the mark.

I believe I'm more aware and sensitive about speaking and responding in the right language when asked a question (meaning: If my Spanish friends asked me something in Spanish, I would (no question) would respond in Spanish. Same goes for Hebrew. If one of my Israeli friends asked me something in Hebrew I would respond in Hebrew.)


Gosh, I wish I could respond in many different languages, that would be wonderful. Unfortunately, I only speak good old English.
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Old 06-30-2007, 09:49 PM
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Empress listed all of Mary's patronages in this post
Thanks so much JessRulzI guess the information it there if I had looked a little harder.I am impressed though the list was longer then I expected somehow.I really like the one that deals with bullying that' a real problem here in the U.S.
Thanks so much for the link.
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Old 06-30-2007, 09:50 PM
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Seriously? Okay.


Think about:
If a Danish reporter, from TV2 or another Danish media outlet, asked you a question in Danish, with more than army of Danish commentators who flew halfway around the world to report about you, wouldn't you are anyone with half a brain respond in Danish?

I would. First, I would respond in Danish then I would say it again in English for the Austrailan media.

Capiche?
Yer, seriously

Think about it: Mary and Frederik responded in Danish for the Danish questions and English for the Australian as they said they would...surprise surprise.lol.

The Danes asked whatever questions they wished to ask as did the Australians, information was shared and subtitles provided...Whoop dee doo the earth keeps revolving
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Old 06-30-2007, 09:59 PM
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Ah, I understand. I didn't know that they were asked a question in Danish and answered in English.

Well, that can be interpreted two ways, in my opinion.

First, by not answering in Danish, they were showing politeness and courtesy to their host country (I reiterate, this was a private visit), or they were making it apparent that it was not appropriate to be asked a question in Danish in those circumstances, in the first place!

I incline to the second view. To my mind, the Danish question would have been either very rude and impolite or very chauvinistic. I think it reflects poorly on the journalist/s concerned and not at all on Frederik and Mary.
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:01 PM
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Yes, but for a Dane isn't that insulting don't you think? They are after all the Crown Prince and Crown Princess of DENMARK not Austraila.
I believe they were simply following the common etiquette of resorting to a common language when in midst of multilingual company. After all the whole point of interview is communication. If it were a private conversation then they should have resorted to the language they are being addressed in, and treat each query as an individual case.

I do hope that Danes in general are not worked up on this fact because it would be a petty thing to do.
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:03 PM
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Yer, seriously

Think about it: Mary and Frederik responded in Danish for the Danish questions and English for the Australian as they said they would...surprise surprise.lol.

The Danes asked whatever questions they wished to ask as did the Australians, information was shared and subtitles provided...Whoop dee doo the earth keeps revolving

Sarcasm aside, surprising ain't it, I actually catch your drift. Color me shocked...


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To my mind, the Danish question would have been either very rude and impolite or very chauvinistic. I think it reflects poorly on the journalist/s concerned and not at all on Frederik and Mary.
True, that's another way of looking at it.

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Gosh, I wish I could respond in many different languages, that would be wonderful. Unfortunately, I only speak good old English.
Actually, my Spanish is more slang and below mediocore than anything (if anyone lives in LA they know what I mean.)

It's a different culture here and the Spanish language is really a combo called Spanglish. It's hard to describe. There is no way that I would be able to translate an article because the slang here in LA is so different than say in Spain.

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I believe they were simply following the common etiquette of resorting to a common language when in midst of multilingual company. I do hope that Danes in general are not worked up on this fact because it would be a petty thing to do.
I doubt they (the Danes) would think of it as being petty. They are a proud people who have a fantastic royal family and I believe they would appreciate their royals to speak Danish when the question is asked in Danish.
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:10 PM
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Well Margrethe and Henrik have a habit of giving press conferences at the beginning of their vacations in Caix so I think press conferences before a royal Danish vacation may be expected. I'm wondering what language the press conferences in Caix are in? Are they in Danish or French? I think I heard Margrethe speak Danish in one press conference.

If Margrethe regularly starts off her press conferences in Danish even though she is in France, that may be why the Danish press was expecting a press conference in Danish. But the reason Margrethe gives the press conferences in Danish may be that the French media isn't really interested in her and Henrik (I don't know that they aren't but it doesn't seem they are) whereas the Australian media is really interested in what Mary does.

To me it would have been a simple matter to have two smaller press conferences, one in English the other in Danish. Queen Beatrix did that when she came to New York in the 80s and both press conferences were in the same room. The Dutch press were let into the room first and got 15 minutes then they left and the American press came in and they got another 15 minutes. It was all very proper and civilized.

It appears by the article and what you all are saying is that the Danish media feel their goodwill towards Mary and Fred are being taken for granted and not appreciated.
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It appears by the article and what you all are saying is that the Danish media feel their goodwill towards Mary and Fred are being taken for granted and not appreciated.
Yes. I believe they feel as if they should have a sort up "catch up" interview. It's been a long time since they've had one (2003), and after all these years and the things the couple have done the media believes the public should hear from them in either a sit down exclusive tv interview or print.
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Why is it that all of the magazines that are against any of the royal families, especially crown princesses, are not a good source? Is this just pure coincidence? On the other hand, when the article praises any of the royal couples, then it is a wonderful writer, good magazine, etc, etc. Why can't they be criticized from time to time? Why are particularly Mary and Letizia so perfect? I'm sure there a many danish citizens who adore the royal couple, but aren't there others who don't? Wouldn't it be okay?
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Why is it that all of the magazines that are against any of the royal families, especially crown princesses, are not a good source? Is this just pure coincidence? On the other hand, when the article praises any of the royal couples, then it is a wonderful writer, good magazine, etc, etc. Why can't they be criticized from time to time? Why are particularly Mary and Letizia so perfect?

Good question. Haven't a clue.


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Absolutely. No one can be that naive to think that every single person and their dog in Denmark adores Mary and Frederik, that's silly.

I believe there is a healthy balance of the two, just like in any country that has a monarchy.
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Actually, I must admit at first I liked Mary but over the time my opinion of Mary has changed. I'm no longer a fan of her. I don't follow her schedules just like any other CPss. I don't know but maybe for me Mary suffered from the intense media speculation. Among the CPss she's the one whose been most photographed and her fashion seems to cover from one magazine to another. Although I can't blame her because her style is really good. She dresses nicely and her choice of clothes are tremendous but for me that's the reason why I think I switched my interest from Mary to other CPss say Letizia and Maxima. Of course, I can't blame Mary for that. It's just that media for me has put Mary high into the limelight that some people think that it may work negatively on her. Her rise to royal limelight is very fast compared to other CPss but it's because she works hard and she's very visible to the public that tend to feed on her everyday agenda. She seems very dedicated to her status. But I don't really feel her when I see her in the news whether she's on the magazine or in the internet. I hope this answers my perception over Mary's personality.
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Well, that can be interpreted two ways, in my opinion.

First, by not answering in Danish, they were showing politeness and courtesy to their host country (I reiterate, this was a private visit), or they were making it apparent that it was not appropriate to be asked a question in Danish in those circumstances, in the first place!

I incline to the second view. To my mind, the Danish question would have been either very rude and impolite or very chauvinistic. I think it reflects poorly on the journalist/s concerned and not at all on Frederik and Mary.
I have to agree with Glittering Tiaras. I admit that I am sensitive to others languages and I find it arrogant to just assume that the other people speak English well enough. They may speak English well but they may not like their English speaking ability being taken for granted.

Sensitivity runs both ways and I don't think the concerns stated by the Danish press are petty and trivial at all. Mary and Fred often have the sensititvities of both Danish and Australian audiences to consider so why choose a solution that satisfies one set of sensitivities and not the other when only a little more effort would have satisfied them both?

Referring to your interpretation that the Danish reporter asking a question in Danish was rude and chauvinistic, I'd like to share this anecdote.

When Mary came home after the birth of Christian in Copenhagen, Australian reporters peppered her with questions in English and she responded in English without bothering to translate it in Danish. She was tired, it was just after the baby was born so the Danish press were particularly understanding given that the event was the birth of their future King. I doubt if people thought the Australian reporter was being rude and chauvinistic about speaking English in Copenhagen at the birth of the future Danish King.

Actually as I mentioned earlier, if the Danish press were used to Margrethe and Henrik giving interviews in Danish before their vacation in France, I don't think the assumption that Mary would answer a Danish question in Danish would be considered rude or chauvinistic at all.
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