Pictures of Mary before her marriage

[BurberryBrit]

Originally Posted by giov

IMO, Mary hasn't changed that much. She has definetely better clothes, make up an hairdo, but she only lost a few kilos. She looks better now, but she is the same normal pretty woman she was before her marriage.
Most of her old pics are really bad pics. IMO, that's the reason why she looks so different now.

Mary's lost quite a bit of weight. Not that she was overweight at the time of meeting Fred, but you can see from her younger photos that she was slightly overweight when younger. From the time of the Starmakers photos to her moving to Denmark, she had lost maybe 10 kilos. But I suspect she lost more that that overall if you look at her early photos. I remember the weight loss being mentioned as part of the Starmakers thing. That she ended up losing weight as a result because she felt much better about herself during that course.

[BurberryBrit]

Here's Mary on the night she met Fred:

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/612920-post71.html

[biboquinhas]

... but she has changed in some fulcure aspects: she is more skinny, she has a better skin, she has changed a lot - yes - her way of dressing, she dresses now haute couture and Pret a Porter fashion designers...to me she has changed a lot!

[BurberryBrit]

Here's my new video inspired by this thread:



"He hit her with his love!"

[ashelen]

Originally Posted by biboquinhas

I think we can see what money and good fashion adviser can do to you!!SHE HAS CHANGE SO MUCHT, first her wardrobe, then her hair, then her weight, gosh everyhting on her has changed a lot, a 100% changed....

I agree with you, inall the other photos she look a real commoner girl, pretty, yes, but as normal as any of us, later you see a difference, style, thiner, glow in hr skin, pose, etc.....

[Amelia]

Originally Posted by donnaK

I'm amazed that you are so sure. Her nose in her early years looked different than now. I don't know the exact reason, I don't think you know more.
Her face here was not that full, no more fuller than lots of her pictures taken shortly before or after the babies.
http://maryletizia.web-log.nl/photos...t_vrienden.jpg
vs.
http://listas.20minutos.es/lists//im...7229_320px.jpg

Donna, you posted two photographs taken at completely different angles that were taken at least 15 years apart and what, you’re shocked that she has changed. Mary’s face was fuller then, and no her face hasn’t been that full since she married Frederick as she has never been that weight again.
royals.web-log.nl: Prinses Mary bij diner en bij 'rare diagnoses' day. On the face forward shots her nose looks the same to me.

A big city life makes a difference (appearance wise since we only compared pictures) ? Wanting to admit or not, it's 'a man or money making a difference' .
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...arypopcorn.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...arypopcorn.jpg
vs.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n.../marygrad2.jpg
vs.
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...ry/mary-8b.jpg

Exactly money makes a difference, which was my point; you are comparing a photograph of a young woman graduating university to a working woman in her late twenties. Naturally we all change when we leave university and start working and earning our own money. The way you are going on you would swear that Mary is the only woman who changed as she got older. And what is the problem with the photographs of Mary going to a movie. Do you think she should be decked out in a business suit? She is dressed casually for a girl’s day out; we have seen photographs of Mary dressed casually when she is out and about with her children too.

Mary has changed there is no doubt about that, but she hasn’t changed that much physically besides the weight that she lost. Her clothes are more expensive now, but if I had the budget she had mine would be too, people are acting as thought she was some ugly fat unsophisticated lump when she met Frederick. All she has done is improve on what God gave her, which most people do as they get older and their careers take off and they have found their place in the world – it is not something that Mary is alone on.

[donnaK]

Originally Posted by Amelia

Donna, you posted two photographs taken at completely different angles that were taken at least 15 years apart and what, you’re shocked that she has changed. Mary’s face was fuller then, and no her face hasn’t been that full since she married Frederick as she has never been that weight again.
royals.web-log.nl: Prinses Mary bij diner en bij 'rare diagnoses' day. On the face forward shots her nose looks the same to me.

The two pictures of me are different angles, however still the front view. Her nose doesn't look the same in your picture as before either, let's agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by Amelia

Exactly money makes a difference, which was my point; you are comparing a photograph of a young woman graduating university to a working woman in her late twenties. Naturally we all change when we leave university and start working and earning our own money. The way you are going on you would swear that Mary is the only woman who changed as she got older. And what is the problem with the photographs of Mary going to a movie. Do you think she should be decked out in a business suit? She is dressed casually for a girl’s day out; we have seen photographs of Mary dressed casually when she is out and about with her children too.
....

I think you missed the point here. I have no problem with any of her casual or frumpy clothes or the same blue bag she had been carrying all the time , that's the way she was pre-Fred or shortly after him, no big deal. My initial reply was only to your jumping into 'big city life making difference' after someone comparing her graduation picture and pictures after dating Fred for a couple of years, you seem to forget there is a man and his black Amex there .
I think I already made myself clear in my post, don't want to run into the circles again.

[Amelia]

No donnak you missed my original point in the post you first replied to – which was you simply cannot compare a graduation photograph of anyone to one taken 5/6 years later and use it as an example of how who they are dating has changed them. Everyone changes as they begin their lives after education regardless of who they are dating and what credit cards they have. The original poster used an example of photographs taken years apart to show how Mary transformed immediately after meeting Fred, my response was of course there are going to be differences, even the photographs you posted of Mary at the movies are different than the graduating one – they were all taken years later.

As for her nose – one of the photographs you posted has a side angle, the other one is face on, the one I used is also face on and while her face is not as full her nose is still the same shape and the same width but you are right we will have to agree to disagree on that.

[Mandy]

Enough already! donnaK and Amelia please continue your argument via PM so the rest of us can enjoy this thread.

Thanks,

Mandy
Danish Forum Moderator

[Duke of Marmalade]

Mary used to look very ordinary, wearing ordinary clothes, having the usual five kilos too much therefore she was a bit chubby. She was not ugly but not especially pretty either, rather somebody you would not notice. Very similar to other CPs before marriage on private pictures. It's quite natural that when marrying a prince and getting access to money and styling as appearance becomes most important a person will change. This is what happened to Mary. She got advisors who told her to lose weight, how to dress and how to style herself and this is the result. There will be unflattering pictures from any person - even from those who were born into a world where appearance matters a lot - , no matter what they try to erase their embarrassing past, just ask Victoria Beckham. As I recall such unflattering pictures from all current CPs before they became center of attention I don't see anything unusual in Mary's transformation - it would be exceptional if there hadn't been one.

[ashelen]

I agree, I would not mind to get such a trasfortmation!

[bertie5252003]

No I am with you 100% ashelen that would be great.There is no doubt Mary has changed but that was always going to be the case. Ordinary she was but all the help in all aspects of her life a more sophisticated lifestyle all leads to a completely different sort look.

[biboquinhas]

She was and she is an elegant women, we can see some pictures of her just after she meet Frederick where she has changed only her wardrobe and she looks quite elegant so in fact she is a very pretty lady before and after Frederick, but with some money,with some help from fashion advisers (but Mary herself has very good taste on clothes) and with some hep from the "Princess School" she turns out to be a mucht more distinguished and high standing women and makes a lot of difference!!!

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade

She got advisors who told her to lose weight, how to dress and how to style herself and this is the result.

You don't even need advisors for that - even average girls can ask in their local beauty parlour for advice. The thing is you have somebody to cook health food for you, you don't have to do household chores anymore, instead you have somebody to work on you as a personal beauty assistent or fitness trainer. And suddenly you slim, your skin gets better, your body reacts to massages... Nothing to be astonished of. If there is beauty at the base you'll emerge a beauty. If you have just character, you'll emerge an impressive person.

[Fashionista100]

I agree with various aspects of many of the posts above. Mary was a very nice pretty girl before she met Fred. She was fun, pretty, easy going, sporty, and well employed. Otherwise Fred would not have chosen her! She applies her makeup very similarly as she does now. She still dresses when she is not "on duty" they same way. I agree when you have someone helping you with household chores etc it is easier. I also agree when you have access to the best it helps too. But you can't change the canvas. It has to be good in the first place. I think Mary is that way. I do envy her. Not in a "I hate what she has" way but more in a "Oh I wish I had that, lucky girl" type way. I think she is great.

[ashelen]

Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine

You don't even need advisors for that - even average girls can ask in their local beauty parlour for advice. The thing is you have somebody to cook health food for you, you don't have to do household chores anymore, instead you have somebody to work on you as a personal beauty assistent or fitness trainer. And suddenly you slim, your skin gets better, your body reacts to massages... Nothing to be astonished of. If there is beauty at the base you'll emerge a beauty. If you have just character, you'll emerge an impressive person.

I agree with you 100%, when you have somebody doing all the everyday things for you and you can have a trainer , healthy food,ETC,...ETC... helps, but of course you have to have a good canvas to start with.... I don't envy her but girls I really would love to have a little bit of all that help, even if it is just for a day!

[Vanesa]

My!!! She DID change a LOT!!! She looks much better right now. Physically..The important thing in a person is the inside. And it should be important (for the sake of Denmark Monarchy) to see in wich way she changed INSIDE when she became Crownprincess.

Vanesa.

[janine1984]

Once upon a time - FeaturesWorld - www.theage.com.au
Just a normal girl

[Primrose28]

Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine

You don't even need advisors for that - even average girls can ask in their local beauty parlour for advice. The thing is you have somebody to cook health food for you, you don't have to do household chores anymore, instead you have somebody to work on you as a personal beauty assistent or fitness trainer. And suddenly you slim, your skin gets better, your body reacts to massages... Nothing to be astonished of. If there is beauty at the base you'll emerge a beauty. If you have just character, you'll emerge an impressive person.

I also agree with this--yes, she was pretty before but also very "normal" looking girl-next-door. Today, she looks very polished and chic, which takes money and stylists. Her clothes are gorgeous, and she looks gorgeous in them. This just didn't happen overnight, the "princess look" she carries with her.

[Odrade]

What a very nice article that "Once upon a time" was! I had not seen it before. Not just about Mary and Frederik but also, the description of Denmark, which is on the list of European countries I would dearly love to tour one day.