Frederik, Mary and the Media: A Discussion of Sorts

[Lena]

Thanks for the link, but can you, and others from now on, simply call her by her short name... Isabella? It's just, well... you know, annoying having to read more than necessary over and over again... You can understand that, right? Tak.

Well, that´s what her names and titles are. I am not as close as a nanny or kindergarden teacher, so I don´t see, why I should only use her first first name.
But we can meet half-way and I´d write titles & names cursive, so that posts would be better to read

Video from the market in Hobart
SE og HØR - Web-TV: Mary og Amber på marked med ungerne

 

[Aotearoagal]

And that's all he would have done, imo.



Which would be her fault, how?...

No 'fault' - just obvious that to have a photographer there, there must have been a PR arrangement if the rest of the press was shaken off. Which implies that Mary didn't actually mind having the press there. Wasn't Frederik off hiking or something? He REALLY had had enough of the press!

This Royal couple are damned if they do and damned if they don't -- and we here at the forum are a large part of it all. We want to see photos but on the other hand don't want it to appear that Mary and Fred gave permission.

If Frederik and Mary had made it to the Graasten photoshoot, I guess there would have been more official photos for the press to use ...

I don't think Mary and Fred have a problem with the media. It annoys them sometimes, but they are never rude to the press. As others have stated, the two publications have arrived late to the park. The family wanted to see the park and not pose every five seconds. The family has been more than generous with the media on this trip. There have been plenty of photo ops.

Mary was not exactly polite to the press on the last visit when she called out "You're the ones locked up now!" as they left the wildlife park. The journalists felt she had been a little 'smart-*rse' to them - which princesses don't normally let slip on camera!

 

[Lilla]

Mary was not exactly polite to the press on the last visit when she called out "You're the ones locked up now!"

Can you please provide a link to either an artickle or a video that confirms her calling that out?

 

[Santacruz]

Well it does not surprise me that a spin-doctor was hired and that the nappy-bying-pictures from Hobart may be a product of media-manipulation.
As I said before : I found it very suspicious that they were flying with Jet Star and Mary was bying nappies herself. That was too much down to earth acting. Do not get me wrong: I think it would be phantastic if the CPC would be down to earth like that. But I truely doubt it.
This "I want my privacy but I want Australia to adore me - behaviour is a bit silly". Just go on holiday and be silent about it OR do the "Mary Homecoming-I- want- to- be -adored Tour 2008" but do it properly. A mixture of both will not work out.

 

[Madame Royale]

I found it very suspicious that they were flying with Jet Star

Firstly, you would, with all due respect.

Secondly, what does flying a domestic airline have to do with anything? The answer? Nothing at all. Next you'll be asking why she didn't make her way home in a canoe.

No international carriers fly direct to Tasmania, so as with her last visit, she had to catch a connecting flight from either Sydney or Melbourne to get to Hobart.

Clearly you were unaware of that...

As for the seating arrangements. she is an authorised dignitary and would require, just like any other dignitary, enough room for any travelling entourage (security, nanny etc). Australia's domestic carriers are budget airlines and bare no 'class' distinction so having a few seats between the public and the Crown Princely family is perfectly understandable.

I want my privacy but I want Australia to adore me

Dribble.

 

[Winnie]

Well it does not surprise me that a spin-doctor was hired and that the nappy-bying-pictures from Hobart may be a product of media-manipulation.
As I said before : I found it very suspicious that they were flying with Jet Star and Mary was bying nappies herself. That was too much down to earth acting. Do not get me wrong: I think it would be phantastic if the CPC would be down to earth like that. But I truely doubt it.
This "I want my privacy but I want Australia to adore me - behaviour is a bit silly". Just go on holiday and be silent about it OR do the "Mary Homecoming-I- want- to- be -adored Tour 2008" but do it properly. A mixture of both will not work out.

It all worked out just fine or they would not have been in the news so often. Draw you own conclusions, but they are still in the news and you are still talking about them. They came out of it all just wonderful. Their smiles are real and they look elegant, dignified and rich. I applaud them.

 

[Winnie]

If Frederik and Mary had made it to the Graasten photoshoot, I guess there would have been more official photos for the press to use ...

The "Press" would never be satisfied -- they are too much like sharks.

 

[Empress]

Enough! Let me speak to you all from my professional standpoint. I am a PR and Communications specialist and I deal with the press on a daily basis. The Press are out to do their jobs, and their jobs are to make money for the publications that they represent or want to sell stories/photos to as a freelancer. The only way to make a name for yourself in the press is to "scoop" the others. So naturally they are always present and constantly looking for the next story, picture or anything that will either help them make money or a name for themselves. If we did not buy the publications/pictures, there would be no need for them, and then the press would not be so present.

This media frenzy can be blamed more on ourselves for wanting all of the information, than on the CP family for being the subject of it, or even for providing it if that is what they are doing. I highly doubt though, that they are calling up the media and telling them where they will be at every drop of the hat. There are enough of us out there to do that for them.. Someone see's them and call's their friend who works at a paper and it just snowballs from there.

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

Never mind the press - what I really like about Mary is that she is able to pull off a truly regal appearance when it counts. At events like these she is a fabulous representative of the DRF.

 

[Lilla]

Never mind the press - what I really like about Mary is that she is able to pull off a truly regal appearance when it counts. At events like these she is a fabulous representative of the DRF.

Yes. You are so right !!

 

[Winnie]

Empress, I agree to a point about your take on the press -- it is their job and they must "scoop" the others -- but for some reason, there comes a time when some rules must be laid down or unscrupulous people become stalkers. We have had programs on this subject here in America and even the professionals admit that it is a "cut-throat" business. You are correct that a good deal of it is the public's fault -- they want the pictures and scandal -- makes their dull lives more exciting -- or we wouldn't even talk about it all. Not like it changes our personal lives at all. People just like to feel superior to the "well knowns". It just seems that recently the press has become quite base. I have heard that "good news doesn't sell papers" but made-up stories or doctored photos just to get a pay check is rather sick. The knocking on Mary's sister's front door was really low -- they should not have been on her property without permission to start with.

 

[Empress]

Oh I totally agree that the press needs rules. I was just explaining that I don't think that the blame should be laid at the CP couples front stoop.

 

[Marengo]

Well, that depends doesn't it. If you don't want to get your fingers burnt you should stay away from the fire. In this case for example they could have stayed in a private resort or something instead of the house of Mary's sister, where they obviously lack privacy. That the press is as intruisive as they are is hardly surprising. Of course the press still might have found a way to take pictures, even at a private resort, but at least all precautions would have been taken.

Personally I can not stand royals that complain in public. I was appaled when the Prince of Orange did that in public in New-Zealand about a photographer and this time it doesn;t win the beauty peagant either, esp. since the reporters were invited.

I think the Danish CP-ly couple can start 'rules' about photographers in the European Union. The ruling in the case of Princess Caroline of Hanover vs. the German press at the European court gives a legal basis for that. The Dutch media code was based on that ruling and there is no reason to assume that a simular code won't work in other countries. Of course what might stop other royal families in implimenting such a code might be that it obviously will give negative PR.

 

[Empress]

I don't think that they were complaining, at all. With the exception of asking the journalists who arrived too late for the scheduled time frame to leave. (Not out of bounds to ask them to adhere to the agreements that they made.) Most of the complaining is coming from us on the threads. I don't think that I've ever read anything about the couple themselves making a huge deal out of the media, or complaining about the intrusiveness. Like I said, I think that most of the complaining is coming from those of us that watch them.

 

[Marengo]

Thanks for clarifying that .

I agree that those who complain about media intruision might best fight it by not buying/looking at these pictures. It is difficult to contain yourself though, little Christian and Isabella are just too sweet.

 

[Lilla]

Personally I can not stand royals that complain in public. I was appaled when the Prince of Orange did that in public in New-Zealand about a photographer and this time it doesn;t win the beauty peagant either, esp. since the reporters were invited.

If they complained again and again and again...... I guess I to would end up being appaled to. But doing so when they once in a while feel their boundaries has been violated - is all right for me.

As I have written before about the incident when CP Mary asked some Danish mediapeople from the BB to leave - if the BB can't manage to turn up on time to an arranged photo opportunity the only one to blame is the BB. Being late IMO dosen't activate preferential treatment. If I were Mary I would have done excatly as she did.

 

[ashelen]

I have one question.
I read once that when she arrive for first time to denmark and no press knew about her, Fred ask a friend to have her in their house, he was going out with hr for such a time and nobody knew so he knew how to keep things in secret and out the press, if they wanted really privacy couldn't he do the same like before?

 

[Winnie]

I have one question.
I read once that when she arrive for first time to denmark and no press knew about her, Fred ask a friend to have her in their house, he was going out with hr for such a time and nobody knew so he knew how to keep things in secret and out the press, if they wanted really privacy couldn't he do the same like before?

No, doubt it very much. Those days are over for them.

 

[Aotearoagal]

Can you please provide a link to either an artickle or a video that confirms her calling that out?

No - but I saw the footage at the time.

 

[Madame Royale]

i find it great if mary wants to travel low cost. however, if you want special treatment, then chose a service that provides it. flying low cost certainly sounds great (saving money and, most importantly, gives a great public image), but asking for some privileges in a service whose very intrinsic nature denies is not appropriate in my opinion. moreover, if we are talking about privacy and this being a private, holiday trip, travelling in a plane asking for more space than anyone else isn't the best way to go unnoticed.

And what, charter a small QANTAS jet (our domestic carriers are boeing fleets) for the purpose of a trip which would be around 2 hours from Sydney and an hour from Melbourne? That would be entirely inappropriate, not to mention an utter waste of money. Jet Star, Virgin Blue and Tiger Airline are the only domestic carriers (besides QANATAS) which fly to Tasmania, so I see no problem with requiring the extra room if it was needed and the accounts of passangers who have before travelled on the same plan as Mary, have thought nothing of it. Why? Because it's another non issue.

Again, you have the children, a nanny and two security personel (?) travelling with 'you'.

Also, what privileges have been asked here? That's quite the idle remark. All seats and aisle's used by the Crown Princely entourage would have been booked and purchased prior to boarding the flight. Again, there's absolutely nothing to suggest privileges were sought or granted besides being the first off the plan which given the expected media contingent awaiting, is understandable...surely. And even then I'd hardly classify that as a privilege, rather a consideration.

yes, i was wondering if she too her hair stylist with her? her hair looks fatastic, i love this updo!!!!

I can't imagine (though it's possible I spose) her hair stylist making the trip to Australia for two events, in two different different cities, almost a week apart. I think it most likely that Mary's hair was styled by a Melbourne based hair stylist and the same shall probably happen in Sydney, if such services are required.

 

[Charlotte1]

Can you please provide a link to either an artickle or a video that confirms her calling that out?

Do an archival search of Australian newspapers for the official photo session in November 2006 and you will find that quote. It was commented on in several newspapers at the time.

 

[Lilla]

Do an archival search of Australian newspapers for the official photo session in November 2006 and you will find that quote. It was commented on in several newspapers at the time.

Charlotte1 thanks for the information.

I know you were trying to be helpful but if I post a statement on TRF (as Aotearoagalon did) and another member asks me to provide a link to substantiate my statement - I provide that link.

I don't tell that member: "No - but I saw the footage at the time" - or to do the work her/himself .

 

[Winnie]

I completely agree with you

I really can't see how that could be accomplished now. They are too well known and their EVERY breath is documented. It was different when just "dating" but now they are future King and Queen -- the media would not permit not knowing exactly where they were.

 

[Lilla]

I really can't see how that could be accomplished now. They are too well known and their EVERY breath is documented. It was different when just "dating" but now they are future King and Queen -- the media would not permit not knowing exactly where they were.

I don't agree!!!!!!

They could build themselves a space-shuttle and spend their hollidayes in circulation around earth.

 

[Winnie]

I don't agree!!!!!!

They could build themselves a space-shuttle and spend their hollidayes in circulation around earth.

My laugh for the day -- Thank you Lilla!

 

[ashelen]

I really can't see how that could be accomplished now. They are too well known and their EVERY breath is documented. It was different when just "dating" but now they are future King and Queen -- the media would not permit not knowing exactly where they were.

he was at the time the future king too and i am sure at the time the press was after his affairs too, and he kept it well in secret so ... i think they could do it again1 look at maxima and wa the were in italy for summer holiday and nobody knew , no press, no nothing, like now , it is a while no news from maxima, so i thinbk they have the power to keep things secret!

 

[kbear]

Charlotte1 thanks for the information.

I know you were trying to be helpful but if I post a statement on TRF (as Aotearoagalon did) and another member asks me to provide a link to substantiate my statement - I provide that link.

I don't tell that member: "No - but I saw the footage at the time" - or to do the work her/himself .

Page 6 of the 2006 visit thread post 107 has the link I would link it myself but have forgotten how to do it sorry, please forgive those of us who are a little computer illiterate. I remember at the time most of the media to it in good fun (as I think it was intended) but of course it was blown out of proportion by a few.

 

[Lilla]

Page 6 of the 2006 visit thread post 107 has the link I would link it myself but have forgotten how to do it sorry,

Thanks a lot kbear, that is what I need

I remember at the time most of the media to it in good fun (as I think it was intended) but of course it was blown out of proportion by a few.

I also remember it as being said in good fun. I just wanted some concrete information to check that my memory is right - and it is.

 

[kbear]

No prob must play with the computer again and relearn the linking thing I figured it out one night when I was very tipsy but sober I cant seem to remember how to do it.

 

[carlota]

And what, charter a small QANTAS jet (our domestic carriers are boeing fleets) for the purpose of a trip which would be around 2 hours from Sydney and an hour from Melbourne? That would be entirely inappropriate, not to mention an utter waste of money. Jet Star, Virgin Blue and Tiger Airline are the only domestic carriers (besides QANATAS) which fly to Tasmania, so I see no problem with requiring the extra room if it was needed and the accounts of passangers who have before travelled on the same plan as Mary, have thought nothing of it. Why? Because it's another non issue.

so you can only fly low cost to australia? i certainly didn't know that. doesn't virgin blue or qatas fly at a normal cost and include class distinction?