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Old 01-24-2007, 09:55 PM
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Maxima has in-depth knowledge in microcredit, she was good enough to hold a seminar, in my opinion she did a bit more than some of the other royal UN ambassadors.
I can't believe people even took the report of Simon Anholt seriously. He must have included the revenues of Prada or Hugo Boss . Besides a few royal watchers, the only countries who know about Mary are Denmark and Australia, combined about 25 mil population. To say Mary making Denmark famous around the world is quite rubbish.
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Old 01-24-2007, 10:52 PM
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Based on the comments by the devotees, one just might think Maxima invented the credit She didn't actually, she merely promotes a slightly controversial scheme invented by others and promoted by others before her, like Hilary Clinton.
I'm not a Maxima devotee by any means. You are right that the way my quote above currently reads, one could draw the conclusion that I think Maxima invented the Microcredit initiative, which of course she didn't. And I agree about the controversy regarding the microcredit, which is that the interest percentages charged are extraordinarily high. Supporters though say that this is necessary to entice banks to touch those 'high risk customers', i.e. poor folks, with a ten foot pole.

Anyway, back on topic, what I meant was this:
Maxima is of course a marketing 'tool' if you will in this microcredit effort, but she has really plunged into the topic and made it her own. As evidenced by for example many interviews she has granted on the topic - these interviews underline the fact this is someone suited to the topic and someone who can think on her butt, as we say, or translated, do well when it comes down to having to offer spontaneous, ad hoc answers to media questions.

But across the board, i.e. in unrelated topics, Maxima is equally prepared and knowledgable, and this is an area where in my view, Mary could step up a notch.

Again, I'm a 'devotee' of neither lady. For me to become that, Mary would have to do better in this area for example, and lose her nose-up-in-the-air approach.
And Maxima would have to put in more hours for me to admire her. She's a bit too vacation-hungry still to my taste.
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Old 01-24-2007, 11:12 PM
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Maxima has in-depth knowledge in microcredit, she was good enough to hold a seminar, in my opinion she did a bit more than some of the other royal UN ambassadors.
I can't believe people even took the report of Simon Anholt seriously. He must have included the revenues of Prada or Hugo Boss . Besides a few royal watchers, the only countries who know about Mary are Denmark and Australia, combined about 25 mil population. To say Mary making Denmark famous around the world is quite rubbish.
Indeed, despite these princesses' vast Prada budgets, despite the stylists, PR minions and well-balanced diets fixed by in-house chefs, the vast majority of the world doesn't have an inkling who any of the current crop of crown princesses are.
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Old 01-24-2007, 11:34 PM
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Indeed, despite these princesses' vast Prada budgets, despite the stylists, PR minions and well-balanced diets fixed by in-house chefs, the vast majority of the world doesn't have an inkling who any of the current crop of crown princesses are.
Yeah, but that´s true about all the other celebrities, too. Almost no one is known by the vast majority of the world. Still, I might not know some people who in fact influence my life very much, more than some (actually pretty unimportant) celebrities I know. I think this was about importance and not awareness level?
I still might not agree about the choices, but i am not an expert in that.
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Old 01-25-2007, 01:58 AM
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Besides a few royal watchers, the only countries who know about Mary are Denmark and Australia, combined about 25 mil population.
More like 30 mil

However, I have noticed that in the UK there seems to be a growing interest in Mary..even if only slight atm..and who knows, it may stay this way and it probably shall
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Old 01-25-2007, 03:04 AM
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Again, I'm a 'devotee' of neither lady. For me to become that, Mary would have to do better in this area for example, and lose her nose-up-in-the-air approach.
I like the nose-up-in-the-air approach for princesses. As to the education, if its something Mary enjoys and does well, it would be lovely, but as a lover of learning and books and knowledgeable discussion, nothing irritates me more than someone getting involved in learned pursuits just because they're trying to get a more serious, responsible image. If you're going to take education seriously, get involved and put some passion behind it but if not, its best to do something that fills your passion.

Not everyone has to be super-learned.
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Old 01-26-2007, 02:25 AM
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Oh we down here in New Zealand know Mary too! After all, she is a down under, but we here in New Zealand do not count, only 4 mil people! But if you count the sheep, we are quite significant! Outnumbering the Aussies.

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Old 01-26-2007, 03:14 AM
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Oh we down here in New Zealand know Mary too! After all, she is a down under, but we here in New Zealand do not count, only 4 mil people! But if you count the sheep, we are quite significant! Outnumbering the Aussies.

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Absolutely..sorry I did not mention you all, our neighbours
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Old 01-26-2007, 08:13 AM
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Well, I cannot speak for the world but Mary is quite well known in Scandinavia and Germany, which makes another ~ 100 mio. population.
Of course not everyone knows her or is interested in her
but I have never read and seen so many reports in Germany about Denmark and the DRF than since her marriage with Frederik.
So I would actually agree that she has a great market/promotion value, like Se&Hor claims.

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But across the board, i.e. in unrelated topics, Maxima is equally prepared and knowledgable, and this is an area where in my view, Mary could step up a notch.
And you know of course exactly how prepared and knowledgeable Mary is in the areas she has chosen to support?

Maxima sure is an intelligent and knowledgeable woman
and since she comes from the financial sector she knows what she is talking about
but "she made this topic her own"???, "vision"???
I think you are overestimating her accomplishments with microcredit.
(And I personally am very critical towards this subject and would much prefer to see her more engaged with different subjects.)
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Old 01-26-2007, 06:32 PM
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Well, I cannot speak for the world but Mary is quite well known in Scandinavia and Germany, which makes another ~ 100 mio. population.
Average German knows nothing about Mary except for royal watchers (like I said before). I showed her pictures also other CPsses pictures to some of my German colleagues, except for Camilla, nobody recognized the rest of the CPsses. They can all walk down the streets of Berlin, nobody would care.
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Old 01-26-2007, 06:53 PM
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Average German knows nothing about Mary except for royal watchers (like I said before). I showed her pictures also other CPsses pictures to some of my German colleagues, except for Camilla, nobody recognized the rest of the CPsses. They can all walk down the streets of Berlin, nobody would care.
Why am I not surprise that you are bringing in the average German to bolster your point of view; you're always trying to discredit Mary. At least, I won't be so bold as to call your theory, "rubbish" without first investigating it.
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Old 01-26-2007, 07:58 PM
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Average German knows nothing about Mary except for royal watchers (like I said before). I showed her pictures also other CPsses pictures to some of my German colleagues, except for Camilla, nobody recognized the rest of the CPsses. They can all walk down the streets of Berlin, nobody would care.

I work for a German Company and travel frequently to Germany and it is simply not true. I doubt thiese socalled German colleges of yours even exist. Victoria of Sweden and Mary of Denmark are mandatory stuff in German magazines. Average Germans can not avoid knowing who Victoria and Mary are and look like. Even if they do not care about them. They are famous in Germany. Simple as that.

In fact those German magazines are infamous for their coverage of Victoria and Mary, which often consist of downright lies. Simple reason. Those lies sell.

Sorry ... but ehmm .... you have no clue about average Germans.
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Old 01-26-2007, 08:16 PM
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I work for a German Company and travel frequently to Germany and it is simply not true. I doubt thiese socalled German colleges of yours even exist. Victoria of Sweden and Mary of Denmark are mandatory stuff in German magazines. Average Germans can not avoid knowing who Victoria and Mary are and look like. Even if they do not care about them. They are famous in Germany. Simple as that.

In fact those German magazines are infamous for their coverage of Victoria and Mary, which often consist of downright lies. Simple reason. Those lies sell.

Sorry ... but ehmm .... you have no clue about average Germans.
Excuse me !! You need to stop making those assumptions on others. As I know, the tabloid magazines are not for everyone. Most of my colleagues (esp male) simply don't read those tabloids. If you want to talk about German tabloids, then Mette Marit has been the front runner.
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Old 01-26-2007, 08:18 PM
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I work for a German Company and travel frequently to Germany and it is simply not true. I doubt thiese socalled German colleges of yours even exist. Victoria of Sweden and Mary of Denmark are mandatory stuff in German magazines. Average Germans can not avoid knowing who Victoria and Mary are and look like. Even if they do not care about them. They are famous in Germany. Simple as that.

In fact those German magazines are infamous for their coverage of Victoria and Mary, which often consist of downright lies. Simple reason. Those lies sell.
I have good friends in Bamberg and Hamburg and they all know who Mary is. If anything, the German tabloids have taken quite the interest (for better or worse) in Mary. Perhaps some forget the reception Mary and Frederik received when they visited Berlin in 2004. To my knowledge a great number of average Germans came out to greet them. Also in 2006 on their visit to Schleswig-Holstein.
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A lot of people in Germany don´t know them, but a lot of do. There are a lot of non-frequent royal watchers, like my mom, they see the weddings and are interested if there is a new child, but not a lot more.
And then there is the old-lady fanclub, that unfortunately reads all those bad magazines. You won't find find them on the internet (they don´t use computers). A lot of times I hear (mostly women) talking about For example Mary, but they believe those magazines, and I have to say, no, it is not true, Haakon and Mette don´t want to get divorced, no Mary didn´t have a misscarriage!etc
Just my observations of course, I am german and lived in Germany until last August and so does my family.
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Excuse me !! You need to stop making those assumptions on others. As I know, the tabloid magazines are not for everyone. Most of my colleagues (esp male) simply don't read those tabloids. If you want to talk about German tabloids, then Mette Marit has been the front runner.
Oh really ?

Königen Elizabeth (II) - 54.000 (37.000) google hits (been around for ages)
Kronprinzessin Victoria - 30.000 google hits (been around for a long time)
Kronprizessin Mary - 15.500 google hits (been around for just a few years)
Kronprinzessin Letizia - 2.690 google hits (been aroudn for just a few years)
Kronprinzessin Maxima - 1.320 google hits (been around for a few years)
Kronprinzessin Mette-Marit 932 google hit (been around for a few years)

For the secound time. You have got no clue. Ok, so stop pretending.
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Oh really ?

Königen Elizabeth (II) - 54.000 (37.000) google hits (been around for ages)
Kronprinzessin Victoria - 30.000 google hits (been around for a long time)
Kronprizessin Mary - 15.500 google hits (been around for just a few years)
Kronprinzessin Letizia - 2.690 google hits (been aroudn for just a few years)
Kronprinzessin Maxima - 1.320 google hits (been around for a few years)
Kronprinzessin Mette-Marit 932 google hit (been around for a few years)

For the secound time. You have got no clue. Ok, so stop pretending.
Those are not the absolute number. Lots of people might just google 'Mette-Marit' or 'Letizia' , like I usually do, instead of adding Kronprinzessin in the front.
I have read everywhere that Mette-Marit has been the front runner on the German tabloids. When she visited Germany, the old article even mentioned that the sale of the magazines usually jumped when she was on the cover.
Perhaps you are the one without much clue, or just being extremely biased.
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I think it would be better if we all speak for ourselves individually instead of bringing in our good friends and families into the mix to prove our viewpoint. However if you have statistics or news items to prove your case, by all means let's see them along with a link. Let's have fun with this thread!

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Old 01-26-2007, 09:08 PM
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Why am I not surprise that you are bringing in the average German to bolster your point of view; you're always trying to discredit Mary. At least, I won't be so bold as to call your theory, "rubbish" without first investigating it.
100 mil population obviously has to include the average German . Up to this point, I only had two posts in this thread, so your accusation is baseless.
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Those are not the absolute number. Lots of people might just google 'Mette-Marit' or 'Letizia' , like I usually do, instead of adding Kronprinzessin in the front.
I have read everywhere that Mette-Marit has been the front runner on the German tabloids. When she visited Germany, the old article even mentioned that the sale of the magazines usually jumped when she was on the cover.
Perhaps you are the one without much clue, or just being extremely biased.
Ok, so I can do without the title and just add the country and search only in german language. Does not change anything. Victoria and Mary still on top and Mette-Marit in the bottum.

What now ?

Are you going to say that mentioning the very country in which they are princesses distort the result ??

Elizabeth Grossbritannien - google hits 1.160.000
Mary Dänemark - google hits 463.000
Victoria Sweden - google hits 291.000
Maxima Niederland - google hits 70.000
Letizia Spanien - google hits 37.400
Mette-Marit Norwegen - google hits 10.500

I am not biased. I just happen to know quite a bit about Germany, as well as speak the language, and I know what you write is not true. Remember. You started out saying that no one would recognize any of them, and that they could stroll on the street of Berlin unrecognized. No one would care.

I just happen to know, you do not know what you are alking about in this matter.
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