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Old 10-05-2008, 06:35 AM
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I try to make it short, I have some problems with that Excuse me, if I chose the wrong words, I do not want to offend anybody.

I absolutely agree: It'll remain a selfish expensive adventure trip to an exotic country, if you don't do anything for these people after you have seen their lifes.
Imho Mary had a genuine interest in visiting these countries. I really think that she got interested in that things due to meetings with the DRC and also due to conversations with other Crownprincesses, I think they also talk about their patronages and travels when they meet. Another point is that people having worked in such countries often become a special community, this makes it often difficult with other people. As a patron of the DRC it is easier for her to be part of that community, she'll better understand the people she is working with.

Uganda was well chosen: Safe enough for her and many, many different NGOs there. She could see what the different problems are (e.g. to name some of them: food variety, high school fees and education = for Ugandans, they also say that education is the key, politicy (!), a lot of orphans, HIV, completely different languages in one country, streets, dependence on support, but also mental problems after these traumatic events, co-dependence on other countries and their political situations in africa...) and she could see how different NGOs cooperate.

This all can help her to become a better patron, also for her own Mary Foundation. People in Uganda need a more stable political situation, more real influence on policy and of course investment so that Ugandan people can earn their own money and become more independent. And now she also knows these quite complex political issues and can call attention to that (and this has not necessarily to be loud and with a lot of press attention).

Ugandans have so much hope: And they are right, but there is still a lot to do. Uganda can be on of the top agriculture countries, the streets are very slowly getting better, IDP-camp inhabitants can go back to their fields (if the mines are removed) and work as farmers and for tourists there are different beautiful national parks in Uganda. Already Winston Churchill has called Uganda "the pearl of africa".
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Old 10-05-2008, 07:30 AM
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Ugandans have so much hope: there is still a lot to do.
And in her own small way Mary is doing her own small bit!!!
There is only so much that one person can do.
What are you doing to make a difference in the life of a child in Uganda??
Just because we aren't famous or royal doesn't mean that we can't do our own bit to help the orphan children of the world, not just Uganda
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Old 10-05-2008, 11:10 AM
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I do not want to ofend anyboy, this is only my opinion.
Where I grow up charity start at home, I belive Denmark is a very stable financial country where can afford to help other countries, becasue first they took care of their own people, so it is good that Mary take interest in helping other cocuntries besdie her own, Denmark, I mean. And this is the job of a princess too, part of her work. I just get mad when there are other countries trying to help the neobgbhours and their on people does not have medical insurance or sleep in the streets!
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Old 10-05-2008, 05:15 PM
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Gabby_Windsor and Ashelen...I agree with you!!! These sort of foreign humanitarian visits...are they necessary but to further the gains of Princess Mary herself? Are they elaborate PR/damage control junkets to attempt to justify the need for a royal family at all? After the seemingly distastrous press from the Beijing/Australia trip (extravagant, conspicious consumption, selfish, etc) maybe Mary was called before QM and told to "fix it", do something worthwhile or seen to be worthwhile or the royal family will be seen as self-serving, remote, luxury-loving and irrevelant...

This Uganda trip seemed to have come out of nowhere after their return from Australia, granted it may have been planned for months in advance, but hey, what timing, a botched "private vacation" to Australia countered by a compassionate, humanitarian trip to Africa? Damage control at its finest...

Charity DOES start at home... {to remove a tad political rant ~ GT}
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Old 10-05-2008, 05:52 PM
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Gabby_Windsor and Ashelen...I agree with you!!! These sort of foreign humanitarian visits...are they necessary but to further the gains of Princess Mary herself? Are they elaborate PR/damage control junkets to attempt to justify the need for a royal family at all? After the seemingly distastrous press from the Beijing/Australia trip (extravagant, conspicious consumption, selfish, etc) maybe Mary was called before QM and told to "fix it", do something worthwhile or seen to be worthwhile or the royal family will be seen as self-serving, remote, luxury-loving and irrevelant...

This Uganda trip seemed to have come out of nowhere after their return from Australia, granted it may have been planned for months in advance, but hey, what timing, a botched "private vacation" to Australia countered by a compassionate, humanitarian trip to Africa? Damage control at its finest...

Charity DOES start at home... {to remove a tad political rant ~ GT}
"May have been planned months in advance"? - yes, that is a rather safe bet I would say!

The Danish Refugee Council is planning a national collection day on 9 November and the focus of this collection will be on refugee children. So I venture a guess that the trip and the collection may have considerably more in common than - IMO - rather far-fetched theories about 'damage control'.
To even think that an organization like the Danish Refugee Council - or any other refugee council - would lower themselves to take part of a scheme to exercise damage control for a any royal is an insult to the seriousness of the work refugee councils are doing IMO.

Would you point me to examples of "seemingly distastrous press from the Beijing/Australia trip (extravagant, conspicious consumption, selfish, etc)" in the Danish media? It sounds new and quite interesting.
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Old 10-06-2008, 01:15 AM
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DR will broadcast a documentary about Mary's visit to Uganda tomorrow, October 7th

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Old 10-06-2008, 06:22 AM
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Quote from Andreas Kamm from the Danish Refugee Council in today's BT - Mary en mere kompetent protektor for DRC

(My translation/interpretation)

"We knew right from the start when the crown princess became a patron, that we would like to show her some of our activities - to make it interesting to the CP to be part of our work but naturally also because it enhances our opportunity of getting finances for the work which the CPss have now experienced first hand and seen the importance of. So naturally, this trip has a two-fold purpose"

So the timing of this trip was probably determined more by the national collection day on 9 November than anything else
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Old 10-06-2008, 06:38 AM
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Would you point me to examples of "seemingly distastrous press from the Beijing/Australia trip (extravagant, conspicious consumption, selfish, etc)" in the Danish media? It sounds new and quite interesting.
Wouldn't mind a look myself as I didn't see anything of the kind at the time...

Surely they aren't refering to the mink jacket "saga"...
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Old 10-06-2008, 06:43 AM
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DR will broadcast a documentary about Mary's visit to Uganda tomorrow, October 7th

I hope DR provide an on-line link
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Old 10-06-2008, 09:56 AM
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Charity DOES start at home... {to remove a tad political rant ~ GT}
Why the need to undermine Mary's work?
Since becoming patron, Mary has attended numerous meetings privately and publicly, participated in events at home, and has even met with the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. This visit is just a natural progression of her work as patron for the organization.
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:05 AM
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First thing that came into my mind when I saw Mary in Uganda wearing a shield while walking through landmine area: this is Diana PR.
There seems to be a PR plan in Denmark to make her the " new Diana " . Sorry but I guess if you really want to rise awareness you have to be authentic ....
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:25 AM
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First thing that came into my mind when I saw Mary in Uganda wearing a shield while walking through landmine area: this is Diana PR.
Yeahh, that's the impression I got as well .... that you are stuck some 10 years or more back in your view of what (at least certain) royals can do

So, should we ask the various relief organizations to be 'authentic' as well - and not work for removal of land mines. I mean - it would be a pity if many like you had a feeling of 'been there, done that - lets proceed'. Or should we ask the people who live with the land mines - whose children may pick them up and get mutilated if they miss a certain authenticity about the whole thing.

Christ.....
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:46 AM
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As various relief organizations already is engaged with all kinds of known relief issues it is very difficult for the CP's to find new paths on this particular area.

So my suggestion is that somebody have to push the button to release the atombomb. Then a competition could be made among the CP's: Who will be the first one to visit the point of impact and the winner will receive a "authenticity reward" just before dying from radioactivity.

It would be stupid - but authentic!
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As much as I disliked the "private" holiday in Australia and thought it was an attention seeking PR thing - Uganda is different. Mary went there to support her partronage, the Danish Refugee Council and I thought she did very well. She is supposed to raise awareness there and that's exactly what she did, media coverage included. I honestly don't know what she should have done differently or better and why other people are praised for doing exactly the same, including the Diana-memorial-minefield-walk. At the end of the day this terrible celebrity culture is to blame that it has become inevitable that raising awareness automatically goes hand in hand with ego-boosting or attention seeking. Mary is lucky that she is given the opportunity to do such trips as consort, partly because of her husband's attitude who prefers to keep his work-life balance in favour of life, and I think she has done a good job. OK I hate royals wearing sunglasses at official events or when talking to people but that's something that doesn't only apply to Mary.
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First thing that came into my mind when I saw Mary in Uganda wearing a shield while walking through landmine area: this is Diana PR.
There seems to be a PR plan in Denmark to make her the " new Diana " . Sorry but I guess if you really want to rise awareness you have to be authentic ....

Well, since you brought the subject up, would you please give us some examples of how you feel that this trip could have been condicted to give you a feeling of more authenticity?
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I think that some peple want to mix things.
She is the Crown Princess of Denmark and she made a trip to Uganda as Patron of the Danish Refugee Council, just like this. Any comparations with others royas in the same job are just pure comparations.

All this history about Denmark looking for her new Diana, non senece!ç
Please dont stay in the superficial things.
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After all the talk of Mary being the fashion princess, attention seeking etc, now she is out living exactly what was called for then and she's still criticised???!
The poor woman will NEVER win...
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:54 PM
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I do not think that Mary's trip to Uganda was very spectacular as she hasn't done anything spectacular there actually, though she really impressed me by this travel as it came - at least for me - quite surprisingly. She has done what all crown princesses would do on such a mission which is - for my part - absolutely ok and acceptable.

The Diana-image also crossed my mind when I saw Princess Mary with the helmet and the vet, but to be honest I do not think that any of the current princesses can ever top the late Diana on this. It would always look like copying her. For me this is ok. In German we have a saying (freely translated by me): Why should one invent the vehicle twice? :-))

My problem with Mary is and always was that regardless on what she does that I do not get the impression that she is authenticable. She has an "air" that is in a way superficial because I cannot get rid of the impression that she thinks she is the centre of everything. Please do not get me wrong: I am not saying that she IS superficial. It is just that she appears like this. Consequently, because I realy like her, I also truly think she needs to work harder on her image.

Due to my language problems I truly hope that I could make myself understandable.

Hopefully I can explain this correct now by giving a very little example (and you may not agree with me here which is ok): When seeing her putting this helmet on and still wearing her beloved sun-glasses during the landmine photo session I was irritated because I thought: Somehow she looked like a normal tourist who happens to attend a "touristic show" and not like the patron of the Danish Refugee Council.

Hopefully I can express myself correct now as I do not wish to offend anyone: As a crown princess she must draw the public attention not to herself but to the work of the organisations and charities she supports. With respect to the Uganda-trip some posters wrote that they hoped that this trip would have an impact on Mary for her future role as queen. My expectation however was that her trip would have some positive impact on the projects and the works of the Refugee Council - if it would also change Mary in a positive way - so better. But the work of the Refugee Council must come first for her.
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Originality or not, this is still a very good cause, and I think it is important that attention is still being given to landmines and the plight of refugees.
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Originality or not, this is still a very good cause, and I think it is important that attention is still being given to landmines and the plight of refugees.
Exactly, I totally agree. This must be the main purpose for that this trip should be remembered for. In this respect not the crown princess but the cause for the visit must count. And hopefully Mary shares this opinion as well.
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