Crown Princess Mary establishes The Mary Foundation: 11 September 2007

[highpriestess]

Originally Posted by Napoleon

You note that Mary's title and status is derived from her husband, so trying to view it from your somewhat cynical perspective, it is interesting that the foundation will be known quite simply as the Mary Foundation, and not trade on her title. at some point she needs to just become her title - regardless of how she got there she is the Crown Princess now. her name now (with or without the title) does have wide recognition - in denmark and beyond as this Board is testament to. why try and take away from that?

I am pretty sure Princess Grace of Monaco had all sorts of interests that were promoted in her name.

as for the 3 years of marriage, research now shows (in australia at least) that most couples divorce after 12 years. at what point exactly do you say a marriage is successful and as likely as any other strong marriage to survive?

You completely missed my points. One, I didn't question why her title isn't on there. I'm questioning why Fred's name isn't on the foundation title. Mary has name recognition among Danes and Aussies because of her marriage (BTW, this board has a very small audience in the big scheme of things.) Without Fred, no one would have known her. And it could be argued that it's more egoistic to have only her name on the foundation. As if everyone should know who the heck Mary is. (Most people outside of Denmark and Australia would think it's the Virgin Mary.) Princess Grace was a well known actress. She was much better known than her husband before marriage. BTW, she overshadowed her husband completely and that marriage wasn't the fairy tale it seemed.

Last, I didn't question whether their marriage will survive. I only wonder how her dominance so young into their marriage will do to their marriage. We all know how Diana-Charles' marriage turned out. Grace's marriage wasn't that happy in the later years.

[crisscross1]

I guess the whole point of the Mary Foundation is that she is doing good for others, isn't that what is important??

[Chimene]

Originally Posted by crisscross1

I guess the whole point of the Mary Foundation is that she is doing good for others, isn't that what is important??

One would think... Seeing the larger picture is somehow unthinkable. The key word is TOLERANCE... TOLERANCE... TOLERANCE...

[lise]

The foundation is the Mary foundation not the Frederik and Mary foundation, so Frederiks name doesn't need to be on it.

[Australian]

[quote]

Originally Posted by highpriestess

You completely missed my points. One, I didn't question why her title isn't on there. I'm questioning why Fred's name isn't on the foundation title.

And it could be argued that it's more egoistic to have only her name on the foundation. quote]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this day and age meant to be all about women's independence and all that? She doesn't have to do something only cos Frederik is involved, I am sure Mary is independant enough to do some ventures on her own. Which is what she is displaying here with this Mary Foundation

If my beautiful girlfriend wanted to do some venture, i would not want her to have to put my name on it, If i did ask her she would simply say to me "I am woman, hear me roar, i am strong, i am invinsible, i am WOMAN!" lol

[highpriestess]

[quote=Australian;665977]

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this day and age meant to be all about women's independence and all that? She doesn't have to do something only cos Frederik is involved, I am sure Mary is independant enough to do some ventures on her own. Which is what she is displaying here with this Mary Foundation

Please, you're preaching to a feminist here. I'll agree that Mary should use her name if she puts up HER OWN money to do good deeds. That's not the case here, is it? She's using her position as the crown princess of Denmark to raise funds in order to do good deeds. The donors are not donating money because of Mary Donaldson. They're donating money because of her title and her marriage to Fred. She's by no means an independent, self-made woman. It's like Donald Trump's wife starts a charity with only her name.

[nouwrein]

Originally Posted by highpriestess

You completely missed my points. One, I didn't question why her title isn't on there. I'm questioning why Fred's name isn't on the foundation title. Mary has name recognition among Danes and Aussies because of her marriage (BTW, this board has a very small audience in the big scheme of things.) Without Fred, no one would have known her. And it could be argued that it's more egoistic to have only her name on the foundation. As if everyone should know who the heck Mary is. (Most people outside of Denmark and Australia would think it's the Virgin Mary.) Princess Grace was a well known actress. She was much better known than her husband before marriage. BTW, she overshadowed her husband completely and that marriage wasn't the fairy tale it seemed.

Last, I didn't question whether their marriage will survive. I only wonder how her dominance so young into their marriage will do to their marriage. We all know how Diana-Charles' marriage turned out. Grace's marriage wasn't that happy in the later years.

I get your point Highpriestess and I agree on that. However, as Maxima had once said to Letizia (sorry for bringing up this name in a Mary thread) when the latter asked for advice, the former said "It's different for every royal house" kind of "Different strokes for every folkes". Sure there had been no Diana Foundation in 1984 or Mette-Marit Foundation, but maybe Denmark now is trying new things - kind of bringing in new ideas for the modern monarchy. If the Danes are content and happy with it, then so be it, there's no need to conform to other royal houses' tradition. But then again, yes I do get your points Highpriestess.

[UserDane]

Originally Posted by highpriestess

I'm questioning why Fred's name isn't on the foundation title.

Do you seriously believe that Frederik's name was not included if he or the queen had wanted it there? I think some posters exaggerate the powers of the CPss in Denmark! and as other posters have already pointed out, Frederik already has a foundation in his name. This Mary foundation aptly reflects the areas and patronages which Mary is now involved in. I fail to see anything egoistic in that.

Originally Posted by highpriestess

Mary has name recognition among Danes and Aussies because of her marriage (BTW, this board has a very small audience in the big scheme of things.) Without Fred, no one would have known her. And it could be argued that it's more egoistic to have only her name on the foundation. As if everyone should know who the heck Mary is. (Most people outside of Denmark and Australia would think it's the Virgin Mary.)

What makes you think that this foundation has an international outlook? Until further notice - and until it has worked for at least some years - I expect it to carry out it's activities in Denmark, Greenland and the Faroe Isles. So you needn't worry about the her being unknown for the targeted areas - she is very well-known I am happy to assure you

[demolay]

Originally Posted by highpriestess

You completely missed my points. One, I didn't question why her title isn't on there. I'm questioning why Fred's name isn't on the foundation title. Mary has name recognition among Danes and Aussies because of her marriage (BTW, this board has a very small audience in the big scheme of things.) Without Fred, no one would have known her. And it could be argued that it's more egoistic to have only her name on the foundation. As if everyone should know who the heck Mary is. (Most people outside of Denmark and Australia would think it's the Virgin Mary.) Princess Grace was a well known actress. She was much better known than her husband before marriage. BTW, she overshadowed her husband completely and that marriage wasn't the fairy tale it seemed.

Last, I didn't question whether their marriage will survive. I only wonder how her dominance so young into their marriage will do to their marriage. We all know how Diana-Charles' marriage turned out. Grace's marriage wasn't that happy in the later years.

highpriestess

Frederik's name is not on the title of the foundation, because it is called the Mary foundation. I can't see your base line from my end of the court, did that land in???
Secondly, some people on this forum I have read, say that the target, or aim of the foundation, being diversity, is too ambitious and is doomed to failure.
One thing Mary has in her favour, is that she was born in a country which has, along with the US and probably Britain, one of the most diverse populations on the planet.
Tolerance did not come easy to us "WASPs" and at times we required a little bludgeoning but apart from some Aboriginal issues, any group which is not assimilated into the community, is more than likely a group who chooses not to.
Mary knows more about diversity than Fred because she has lived in a racially and religiously tolerant society. She did it living with the masses, without the trappings of the rich and famous, just an average Aussie woman......
Hey look!! I have just responded to your statement that "Mary was not famous until she met Frederik". Of course she wasn't famous. Are we as commoners???
Diversity, is not just for minority groups. Women in Australia, as they would be in the majority of western civilizations , are a lot more aggressive about getting what they want, and shouldn't it be so???? Women were second class citizens for a long time.

If someone is to be successful in making inroads into Denmark being a more racially and religiously tolerant community, it will not happen with a timid foundation head. It does not follow though, that Mary can promote diversity outwardly and be dominant at home and it certainly doesn't follow that she would ignore protocol and act any differently than any other partner of someone intended for the throne.

Give her a little credit please?? P.S. Oh yes and comparing Mary with the virgin Mary is not being religiously tolerant at all. It's called Diversity if you are not familiar with the term. Any Roman catholics on the board may be greatly offended by your reference and rightly so.


Demolay

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[mitchell]

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[Regina]

Originally Posted by highpriestess

I find it very curious and almost egoistic to establish a foundation named after only her, not her and her husband. Without her husband, who would have known Mary Donaldson?

Without Frederik no one would know Mary Donaldson, that's the reason she didn't create this Fundation when she was single Now she is very famous and beloved and I think Denmark is very proud to have such pretty and smart lady who stands up for Tolerance and Social Development. I wish her the Best.

Mary is completely overshadowing Fred in a way I've not seen among other royal couples. It's almost like she's the future monarch and he's the consort. They've only married for three years. I wonder how this will play out in the next 10 or 20 years.

To be honest I think she is not overshadowing Frederik. I think she is just doing her job with style and savoir-faire. I think there are others crown princesses who enjoy a lot to overshadow their husbands but that doesn't happen with Mary (imo). If Portugal was a monarchy I would prefer to have a Princess like Mary who can go alone to any event, who talk in public with confidence and professionalism than a princess who does nothing except smiling and waving. But that's me.

[Regina]

Oh, I forgot to say: I love Mary's dress!!

[princess olga]

Originally Posted by highpriestess

I find it very curious and almost egoistic to establish a foundation named after only her, not her and her husband. Without her husband, who would have known Mary Donaldson? Most couples would have a foundation together such as Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation. Most royals either have a foundation named after the couple or the title of the born royal. Not even Diana had a foundation named after only her. Did any other royal consort have foundation named after only the consort?

Mary is completely overshadowing Fred in a way I've not seen among other royal couples. It's almost like she's the future monarch and he's the consort. They've only married for three years. I wonder how this will play out in the next 10 or 20 years.

See what you're saying but the thought process behind this one probably is:

- Fred already has a couple of things named after him
- Mary has proven to be a marketing asset to this RF in more ways than one. They're probably thinking, Why not leverage that?

[gaby1985]

i think that it's a great idea that mary has a foundations of her own because frederik has alradey the "The Crow Prince Foundation" that provides financial support to:

• Scientific expeditions, particularly to foreign parts of the world, including Greenland and the Faeroe Islands
• Sports purposes, including those with a particularly social aspect

and the two of them together have the Kronprinsparrets Kulturpris in wich if i-m not wrong they provide financial help for artist and charities

TRH The Crown Prince Couple - The Crown Prince's Foundation

[marmi]

Maybe the fact that most of the public attention is on Mary is a good thing? She can take on the majority of the public side of the role, while Fred is working behind the scenes, learning & perfecting that which he will need to know as King. It could be a good partnership. Mary is well suited to the cameras and draws attention to the causes she supports.

I'm not saying this is my opinion - its just another way of looking at things - taking the "Pollyanna" route, if you will.

[missjane]

Just going back to the grey outfit, i really like it. Her hair is approppriate for the occasion and grey is positively huge here at the moment, also it dosen't cut the body in half and gives a more streamlined, sleek look. a different colour shirt would chop it up and the addition of pretty jewellery is lovely. One of my favourite, slightly more casual outfits.

[biboquinhas]

I think Mary cacht all the attentions, in a positive way! Everything she does is capture by photographers so everything she commited to has a high publicity and that is all that matters! Mucht more publicity than Frederick has now!!And if you are starting a foundation that one of the main objective is to collect it is very important that those who are collecting that money are very influent persons like Mary is!!!!!

[nouwrein]

Originally Posted by biboquinhas

I think Mary cacht all the attentions, in a positive way! Everything she does is capture by photographers so everything she commited to has a high publicity and that is all that matters! Mucht more publicity than Frederick has now!!And if you are starting a foundation that one of the main objective is to collect it is very important that those who are collecting that money are very influent persons like Mary is!!!!!

I agree- but it would be nicer to tag along Fred's name with it so both of them gets the publicity But as I've said above, this is something new for the Danish monarchy- maybe they are promoting the "independent women" concept to make the image of the monarchy more modern?

[Madame Royale]

but it would be nicer to tag along Fred's name with it so both of them gets the publicity

But to ascribe Frederik's name to something he is not partisan to, would make very little sense.