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Old 05-18-2007, 01:54 AM
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There isn't a marriage that doesn't have issues, but sometimes when it comes to royal couples we tend to see everything black (OMG, they have huge issues and are gonna divorce) or white (the fairytale ever after)

They are human just like the rest of us, so their lives are in shades of grey: good times, bad times; marriage is not easy for us commoners so imagine how hard is for them, 'cuz they have an image to keep ALL the time; so far we don't really have any evidence of their marriage going bad or even being awesome, it's all about our views on the subjects and what we see on videos and pictures so we can't really give a objetive veredict

And for the Victoria/Frederik thing, well, they adore each other but almost as siblings, besides they understand each other as heirs of the throne, things they can't share with their own siblings; but nothing romantic
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Old 05-18-2007, 02:47 AM
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why is it always in our nature to think about the negative.. does it really matter if he was leaning more towards victoria in those pictures? he's got eyes for mary only and everyone else is just puppets..
Well said, gudeeya -- he has eyes for Mary only. Three lovely years and two precious babies.

I was wondering how long it would take before some people would "sense" or "feel" that something was not right in their marriage. And, based on what? Body language in a few photos?
Not even a whisper from a credible source, i.e. courtiers, relatives, servants, etc. Just based on "feelings"

She just had a baby a few weeks ago, for heavens sake. Under the best of circumstances, they need a few months to resume gazing soulfully into each other's eyes. (I loved that new photo of Mary looking lovingly at Frederick while holding the new little princess btw)

Say what you will....I have a "feeling" that Mary and Frederick are still very much in love
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Old 05-18-2007, 04:08 AM
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not to mention the recent rumours of Frederik's infidelity (can't give any specifics but I do remember rumblings about an American heiress last year). Those aren't things you hear, ever, about Haakon, Felipe, Willem-Alexander, or Philippe...And though they should of course be taken with a grain of salt, there is usually some truth in most rumours.
Dream on!
Willem-Alexander and that Dutch sport-woman?
Felipe and his ex?
And Mette-Marit&Haakon can't find people who want to work for them
because they are quarreling all the time behind closed doors.
Just a few mag stories not my own observations.

I wouldn't believe any rumour spread by magazines
as long as my own feeling tells me everything is fine.
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Old 05-18-2007, 04:34 AM
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It's very difficult to make analysis about a couple who at the begining of their commitement were extremely demonstrative - a little bite as if they had to proof something-
It's absolutly obvious that Frederic and Victoria are very old friends since a long while and for that they can have a lot of children's remember.
For my part, I found that the behaviour of the both was as these of two teen agers in the middle of old elephants and they took pleasure to be together during three days, may be.... boring.
But, it's also absolutly clear that Frederic and Mary are both two independant and - may be- selfish personns and as they have find now they own way of life in their own family landscape they don't need to kiss them in front the press all days long. We can say they are more mature, isen'it?
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Old 05-18-2007, 04:58 AM
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I too feel that these so-called rumours, interpretations of still pictures etc. that end up with a conclusion of marriage trouble are a bit too contrived, too planned to have any creditability.
They just had a baby - the pictures we have seen in that connection are pictures of a clearly happy couple which adore their children. We have seen pictures of a Frederik who looks adoringly at his new little daughter. So what exactly is all the marriage trouble based on? Seems very contrived to me.

I saw the live footage here when he received Victoria and her parents at Copenhagen harbour at the state visit; Victoria and Frederik shared a car and he talked animatedly with her in the car, making gestures and Victoria laughed and smiled. My interpretation is that Victoria got a healthy dose of babytalk before the doors of the car were closed - and that she got that because Frederik considers Victoria to be family and a good friend. Some people can after all be friends with people of the opposite sex.

Frederik and Mary are 'new' parents, once again. Cut them some slack for God's sake from all these invented problems. IMO all new parents deserve some extra consideration till they have gained a foothold with the new family structure, and that includes Frederik and Mary. Everything else just seems mean.
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:13 AM
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Some people can after all be friends with people of the opposite sex.

OMG thank you. What is it that makes people think a man and woman can't just be friends? I have a ton of guy friends that I'm just friends with....I have no interest in them romantically. Do people say these things about Frederik and Mary because they secretly want them to break up?
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:27 AM
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Yes, UserDane, I agree.
I do have some comfort though.

1. It's always the same people who come up with such stories,
those who almost never had anything positive to say about Mary and Frederik
which IMO minimizes the value of their opinions/impressions.
I would be more worried if a fan of the Danish couple had the impression of marriage troubles.

2. Those comments who were originally made to make CP Victoria look good
don't make her look too good in the end.
If she really was flirting with Frederik, as Se og Hoer claims
- "there usually is some truth in most rumours" -
then what should we think of her?
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:38 AM
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Ricarda, the creditability of Se og Hør is on par with these two Australian magazines which change course in their stories every week
Victoria to me seemed very charming during this state visit - and I'll say the same goes for Frederik. They both looked relaxed and very much at ease in each other's company - the way only very good friends are. If there had been any underlying sexual tensions, they would never act this way IMO.
When they arrived at Fredensborg castle, all the royals turned around to have their photo taken before they entered the door. Victoria laughinghly pulled prince Joachim closer to her - but this does not seem to have trigged off any rumours She was sweet, charming and seemed to feel good among her relatives - and 'colleagues'.
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:43 AM
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I think Mary gets very well along with Frederik's friends who now are her friends also! She really enjoys been in Denmark and I think she already get used to Denmark cultural issues! She change her life in the name of love, she made everyhting, all her efforts are made in the name of her love to Frederik and I think that give her strengh to continue with her life has the Denmark beautiful Princess!
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Old 05-18-2007, 06:46 AM
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Ricarda, the creditability of Se og Hør is on par with these two Australian magazines which change course in their stories every week
Victoria to me seemed very charming during this state visit - and I'll say the same goes for Frederik. They both looked relaxed and very much at ease in each other's company - the way only very good friends are. If there had been any underlying sexual tensions, they would never act this way IMO.
When they arrived at Fredensborg castle, all the royals turned around to have their photo taken before they entered the door. Victoria laughinghly pulled prince Joachim closer to her - but this does not seem to have trigged off any rumours She was sweet, charming and seemed to feel good among her relatives - and 'colleagues'.
UserDane, don't worry, I know what to think about S&H.
And as I said before, in my eyes Frederik and Victoria simply
showed the complicity of two people sitting in the same boat.
Nothing more and nothing wrong in their behaviour.

My comment was just a passing shot against those who actually saw more in their relationship
- and were referring to a trash mag like Se og Hoer as a source of creditability -
and did not realize that the whole thing could be interpreted in a (for Victoria) less flattering way.
And against those who "can't give any specifics" but think "there is usually some truth in most rumours"
(unless those rumours are about their favourites, I guess ).
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Old 05-18-2007, 07:29 AM
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2. Those comments who were originally made to make CP Victoria look good
don't make her look too good in the end.
If she really was flirting with Frederik, as Se og Hoer claims
- "there usually is some truth in most rumours" -
then what should we think of her?
That she is not half as boring, as many ppl might think...and then maybe more would come down to the SRF- Forum. So far I can´t see anything negatively

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Sorry, but IMO your own remark about F&M's cold body language during the whole last year
does not show a steady balanced view and your remark about
"how things could be, if he would have found a woman like Victoria"
and a lot of other remarks who have done in the past
actually show that you do have negative feelings towards Mary (not against her new haircut though)
and Frederik as well (unless he is having a good time with your favourite Victoria).
And yes, Ricarda...most things around F&M annoy me (Fred´s working ethics, their spending ethics, things like the Starmakers course, no genuine interest in a danish traditions etc. pp.) But as you have still no brain washing powder to offer, I can´t change anything about it.
But of course it would be nice, if the views on them would be more balanced...as it is e.g. with Maxima and Willem Alexander. There are not many, who either disapprove of them completely, nor ones, who really follow them very hard (I mean ppl apart from dutch ones, who seem to love them)
The problem, I´m freely admitting is for me also a bit, that the die-hard fans of F&M are defending everything. For example Fred´s working ethics (and here I really can only laugh, when ppl come with "working behind closed doors" or "Denmark being so wee") This is provoking so much, that I can even not deny, that I sometimes might have been harder, than I´d usually would have been in surroundings with more neutral opinions.
I´m also critcising my favourite Victoria. And strangely neither around her nor around her sister, as controversial discussions are led as around F&M (even though both parties, the sugars and the more mean-spirited imps seem to prefer their own boards these days)

BTW Ricarda...are you really coming from Vienna? If so I´d be pleasantly surprised (even though we are not agreeing on F&M) This sugar kind of spirit, one so doesn´t meet in Vienna usually. Most Viennese are either grouchy or very charming (but then with uterior motives) Usually only 6 year olds are showing sugar-like manners (Jöööö, schau ein Haserl ) So someone, who can show so much passion for a Royal couple is an interesting and very welcome change.
Well, maybe you are more at home on the Bahamas. Sun & sea is surely helping to get in better spirits... :)
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Old 05-18-2007, 07:36 AM
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This is just a sidenote to this discussion, that I'am not interested in participating in because it is solely based on conjecture on all sides...
But i find it amusing that people seem to think they've only been together 3 years...They've been married 3 years, sure, but they've been together around 7 years....
Anyway, happy debating!!!!!
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Old 05-18-2007, 07:42 AM
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Maybe they just don't feel comfortable being affectionate in public and would rather share their intimate moments behind closed doors in their own home without the world watching.
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Old 05-18-2007, 08:46 AM
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If pictures can’t be taken as a source to see an unhappy couple, then pictures cannot be taken as a source to see a happy couple. Which unfortunately is all we have got.

The fact that they are still married is a fairly small indicator of a working relationship. (A divorce however might just tip our lavish interpretations into a more definite direction). I’ve come up with four statements that I believe cover roughly the opinions on Mary and Frederik’s marriage in this thread. Can we make poll?
  • Mary and Fred were happy and in love from the beginning on. They are still going strong, love each other and love their kids. JJJ
  • Mary and Fred were happy and in love in the beginning. They hit a rough spot but will work through it since they got a solid foundation to rely on.JLJ
  • Mary and Fred were happy and lovey-dovey while dating. They discovered shortly into the marriage that their expectations of life drift into opposite directions. They are dedicated to their kids but the love got lost along the way. JLL
  • Mary and Fred married for the wrong reasons. Mary because she wanted to be a princess. Frederik wanted to please the country. They were never in love and are certainly not in love now. It’s all a big scam. LLL
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Old 05-18-2007, 08:51 AM
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2. Those comments who were originally made to make CP Victoria look good
don't make her look too good in the end.
If she really was flirting with Frederik, as Se og Hoer claims
- "there usually is some truth in most rumours" -
then what should we think of her?
Having seen each other I thought they were both fairly flirty with each other. It didn't seem like 1 way traffic to me.
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Old 05-18-2007, 09:35 AM
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If pictures can’t be taken as a source to see an unhappy couple, then pictures cannot be taken as a source to see a happy couple. Which unfortunately is all we are left with.

The fact that they are still married is a fairly small indicator of a working relationship. (A divorce however might just tip our lavish interpretations into a more definite direction). I’ve come up with four statements that I believe cover roughly the opinions on Mary and Frederik’s marriage in this thread. Can we make poll?
  • Mary and Fred were happy and in love from the beginning on. They are still going strong, love each other and love their kids. JJJ
  • Mary and Fred were happy and in love in the beginning. They hit a rough spot but will work through it since they got a solid foundation to rely on.JLJ
  • Mary and Fred were happy and lovey-dovey while dating. They discovered shortly into the marriage that their expectations of life drift into opposite directions. They are dedicated to their kids but the love got lost along the way. JLL
  • Mary and Fred married for the wrong reasons. Mary because she wanted to be a princess. Frederik wanted to please the country. They were never in love and are certainly not in love now. It’s all a big scam. LLL
Good idea. You just have to PM to a mod here and they would install it. I´m though not so sure, if one can make that long sentences as option (?)

I´m agreeing...actually one also can´t judge, if they are happy. It´s maybe just nicer. But well...actually all this discussion is silly...so is Royal watching in general...esp. if it´s about ordinary aspects like their children and family life.
If one is taking "all human beings are equal" seriously, one could also start a forum on ones neighbours
But discussing Royals simply is a hell lot of fun, so why should one stop it. And a poll would make things even more interesting.
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Pictures at the hospital after Mary gave birth to little princess & was leaving, dont those tell you they are still in love or al least a happy couple? what about the pictures posing outside their house?
just to make it clear, i think pictures are not everything, they just capture things that people dont see, love, feelings etc are things that cant be photographed.
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Old 05-18-2007, 05:52 PM
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Oh I know I'm late but I would like to congratulate my very favourite couple on their 3rd wedding anniversary !

Two wonderfull children in only three years..

Their wedding moved me so much. It was the most beautiful I had ever seen, it was all so perfect. I wish Mary and Frederik many fantastic years, in the years to come, and even more children, hopefully !

I can't believe it's been three years already ..
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I think two kids in one and a half years is enough to dampen any romantically frisky feelings no matter how much a man and wife love each other. Even with fulltime help, two children under the age of 2 can be a bit much.

I would hazard a guess that Frederik felt comfortable flirting with Victoria because he knew that nothing would come of it and Victoria would be the last person to take things the wrong way. If he flirts with Mary, there may well be child number #3 in a few months and that may not be a welcome development for either of them.
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