The Prince of Wales and Camilla Parker-Bowles: 9 April 2005

[Bubbette]

her children knew about her and Charles from an early age.

 

[james]

So they wouldn't have cared if she had ever loved their father or not? I refuse to take part in this ridiculous debate anymore.

 

[ElisaR]

I've just found these pictures. I don't think (I hope) they haven't already been posted.

The Queen is looking at Camilla! I didn't noticed it while I was watching the broadcast.

 

[Nichola]

I've just found these pictures. I don't think (I hope) they haven't already been posted.

The Queen is looking at Camilla! I didn't noticed it while I was watching the broadcast.

I didn't notice either, and the newspapers (not that I believe every word that they say!) kept commenting on the fact that HM did not make eye contact with her new daughter-in-law.

I suppose it'll be Charles and Camilla's one month anniversary tomorrow if they were married on 9 April.

 

[james]

Yes the Queen is looking at her but Camilla isn't looking back so no eye contact.

 

[Reina]

i agree. It is too bad that others have to focus on one little thing like the comparison b/t the Clinton/Lewinsky and Charles/camilla affairs. They are not getting the big picture. Charles and camilla are not fit to be king and queen b/c they were in an adulterous relationship for 30+ years and he will someday be the head of the church of England and both the King and queen of the United Kingdom. They have shown that they are not right for this.

And I understand that Diana did have affairs, which did not help things. But I think it is also important to note that Charles had affairs too. And now he is marrying his mistress. And possibly he will become king and thus the head of the church of england (which will be a joke if he becomes king). I think this kind of shows that he bears much more repsonsibility. And since he has shown that he is not that responsible in his personal life, why should he be allowed king? let alone head of the Church of England. But I guess some of you don't see the significance of this.

We can go round in circles for ever more about who slept with who and why they did it. My original post concerned my opposition to the Charles and Camilla marraige and whilst I do reserve some sympathy for Diana this is not the focal point of my opposition to that marraige. If Charles had never been married before I would still be against his marraige to Camilla because I don't think that their long term adulterous affair makes them fit and proper people to be the head of the Church of England and his wife and King and Queen (sorry, Princess Consort) of the U.K. We may live in a more liberal age but at the end of the day every country wants a Head of State it can respect. The Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky affair is an example of how demoralising it can be for a nation when that isn't the case. President Clinton's "cigar" incident and Charles and Camilla's "filthy phone conversation" (remember, she had a husband at this time and he a wife) are among the most embarrasing episodes in their respective countries histories. I don't respect Prince Charles and Camilla because I don't respect a man who sleeps with another man's wife or a wife (and mother) who consistently betrays her husband. If they wanted to marry he should have done the honourable thing and stepped aside from the Throne but they have been proven to be people who have no honour so it dosn't surprise me that they are determined to press on come what may.

 

[Alexandria]

And I understand that Diana did have affairs, which did not help things. But I think it is also important to note that Charles had affairs too.

Actually, Charles had one albeit long affair. Diana had several affairs.

 

[mgrant]

Actually, Charles had one albeit long affair. Diana had several affairs.

And I recall reading in several books on the British Royal Family that having a lover was acceptable as long as one was discreet. It's not the best kind of life to live but that is just the way it is.

Charles isn't the first royal to have an affair and he won't be the last. As much as we would like our leaders to pure, sinless, and full of moral righteousness they, just like the rest of us, all have their flaws. Some just have more flaws than others When we make mistakes we want to be forgiven. Charles, Diana and Camilla are not any different from the rest of us when it comes down to that. I know that I would like to be forgiven for things I've done that I certainly am not proud of. I think we should forgive all of them and move on........

 

[Reina]

Hey I would not be so quick as to say that Charles had one affair. There are indications that he has cheated on camilla and Diana. And I suppose you will ask that infamous question, so I will get an article or so later.

Actually, Charles had one albeit long affair. Diana had several affairs.

 

[Alexandria]

And I recall reading in several books on the British Royal Family that having a lover was acceptable as long as one was discreet. It's not the best kind of life to live but that is just the way it is.

Charles isn't the first royal to have an affair and he won't be the last. As much as we would like our leaders to pure, sinless, and full of moral righteousness they, just like the rest of us, all have their flaws. Some just have more flaws than others When we make mistakes we want to be forgiven. Charles, Diana and Camilla are not any different from the rest of us when it comes down to that. I know that I would like to be forgiven for things I've done that I certainly am not proud of. I think we should forgive all of them and move on........

mgrant you're the voice of reason!

I agree, especially about the forgiving part and moving on. Hating Camilla and resenting or disliking or disapproving of the marriage between Charles and Camilla won't bring Diana back, and won't change the fact that Charles and Diana's marriage was a miserable one, that both cheated on each other, that Andrew Parker-Bowles was likely the only "innocent" one of this equation, etc. Nothing said now will undo the mistakes and the grievances felt by all parties, nor will it undo the marriage of the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall.

 

[Reina]

it does not meanm that we should not stand up for what is right! he will be the head of the church! Basicaly he will be above a pastor, bishop, etc. Those people would not be allowed to continue in their position if they did what charles did!

 

[Genevieve]

Hey I would not be so quick as to say that Charles had one affair. There are indications that he has cheated on camilla and Diana. And I suppose you will ask that infamous question, so I will get an article or so later.

Who did he cheat on Camilla with? I would think that the way the British tabloids are, as bullish as they are, they would've uncovered this one by now and had it across the front pages for years now. And how come in the days before the wedding, no weeping mistress went on the BBC or to The Sun to share her woes and her forlorn, unrecipricated love for Charles?

It's not as if Charles and Camilla's marriage was some fairy tale that a weeping mistress would've ruined things or made things worst.

I think no one came forward or there were no stories about Charles cheating on Camilla, no matter how long ago the cheating took place, is because he never cheated on Camilla. He cheated on Diana but not on Camilla.

 

[susan alicia]

if he made love to someone else than camilla, which is possible, how ever terrible some people think that would be, it is highly likely that she was a lady who would not talk about it to others. Let alone to the press.

Who did he cheat on Camilla with? I would think that the way the British tabloids are, as bullish as they are, they would've uncovered this one by now and had it across the front pages for years now. And how come in the days before the wedding, no weeping mistress went on the BBC or to The Sun to share her woes and her forlorn, unrecipricated love for Charles?

It's not as if Charles and Camilla's marriage was some fairy tale that a weeping mistress would've ruined things or made things worst.

I think no one came forward or there were no stories about Charles cheating on Camilla, no matter how long ago the cheating took place, is because he never cheated on Camilla. He cheated on Diana but not on Camilla.

 

[Genevieve]

if he made love to someone else than camilla, which is possible, how ever terrible some people think that would be, it is highly likely that she was a lady who would not talk about it to others. Let alone to the press.

Camilla never talked to the press yet her relationship with Charles was very public. And if this alleged mistress didn't talk to others then how do we know it's true and that she exists?

 

[susan alicia]

I heard about it on the weddingday of charles and camilla on the bbc and mentioned it on the thread diana/charles/camilla posting #46.

it is just a rumour and I do not think it has any relevance anymore. If there were other women it was casual I imagine and will shock some people but it does not shock me.

Camilla never talked to the press yet her relationship with Charles was very public. And if this alleged mistress didn't talk to others then how do we know it's true and that she exists?

 

[Reina]

here is something about the aristocratic set and also the legacy that camilla prides herself and has model her life on!

Camilla's inherited role as royal mistress
By Ryan Dilley
BBC News Online

She was lover of the Prince of Wales - a strong influence on him and a humiliation for his wife. And she was Camilla Parker Bowles's great-grandmother.

Alice Keppel had the "sexual morals of an alley cat", says historian Victoria Glendinning. "Sexual faithfulness to her husband wasn't a value to her."

And with whom, in 1898, did Keppel embark on her most infamous extramarital affair? None other than the Prince of Wales.




The minor socialite came to be the semi-official escort for the Prince, even after he succeeded his mother - Queen Victoria - to the Imperial throne and was crowned King Edward VII.

She was the notoriously amorous king's last and longest-serving mistress and one of the few people in his circle able to defuse his cantankerous mood swings.

"Alice Keppel was a fantastic help to Edward VII, more help than his wife [Queen Alexandra] could have ever have been," says Christopher Wilson, who has written about Keppel's great-granddaughter, Camilla Parker Bowles.

The family link between the two women, and the parallels of them both having relationships with princes of Wales, is highlighted by a BBC Two documentary being broadcast on Friday.

The young Camilla Shand enjoyed a privileged upbringing - a childhood not so dissimilar to that experienced by her notorious ancestor almost a century before. The Keppel family rather revelled in Alice's royal connection (particularly the possibility that Camilla's grandma Sonia was of royal blood), and Camilla was said to been "in awe" of her great-grandmother.

"Camilla saw how you could be a successful support to someone in an exposed public position. She learned a great deal from [Alice], and was able to enact it for herself," says Mr Wilson.




This "enacting" began when horse-mad Camilla's path crossed that of Edward VII's great-great-grandson Charles, the newly invested Prince of Wales, at the polo matches.

"Prince Charles was very wet behind the ears when it came to women, but on horseback he looked like a god," says Mr Wilson.

The pair quickly became lovers, despite Camilla being involved with a cavalry officer, Andrew Parker Bowles, and warnings to Prince Charles from palace officials that the match was doomed because Camilla was not a virgin.

However, even Camilla's marriage to Parker Bowles in 1973 did not extinguish the feelings Prince Charles had for her.

Penny Junor, the Prince's biographer, says the couple's shared love of horses and The Goons cemented their relationship.

Just as Edward VII and Alice Keppel had done 90 years before, Charles and Camilla arranged to rendezvous at the country estates of friends.

"Both couples were surrounded by fantastically close-knit coteries of friends. People who would rather have had their heads chopped off rather than discuss with anyone who they'd had under their roof," says Ms Junor.




Camilla had a hand in helping Prince Charles buy his Highgrove estate - conveniently close to her home - and even advised her lover on his choice of the all-important bride who would provide Charles with an heir and the nation with its future king.

In 1980, the 19-year-old Lady Diana Spencer was given the seal of approval. Many in the royal circle thought the shy Diana would be a "quiet little mouse" and cause her husband and his mistress as little trouble as Queen Alexandra had her errant royal husband.

While she shared much with the fashion-conscious and charitably-minded Queen Alexandra, as Princess Diana's fairy tale marriage quickly disintegrated, she proved herself to be anything but mousy.

This was not the only place where Camilla's path departed from that of her great-grandmother.

In Edwardian high society, loveless marriages and discreet serial bed-hopping were more acceptable than divorce. "You didn't think you were a bad woman or an immoral woman if you slept with a man other than your husband," says historian Victoria Glendinning.



However, by the late 20th Century such shenanigans were deemed more reprehensible - though some argue that the artistocracy has been slow to catch up.

Also, the mass media - which so careful coded its references to Edward VII's female companions - had taken a far more explicit interest in the love lives of the great and the good.

But despite the very public humiliations Camilla has suffered since her affair with Prince came to light - partly due to Princess Diana's discussions with journalists and writers - she may in the end fare better than her great-grandmother.



When Edward VII died in 1910, Alice Keppel found that the considerable influence she had enjoyed for 12 years was stopped with the beating of the king's heart.

A woman seen by some as a power behind the throne was not even permitted to sign the book of condolence for her dead lover.

 

[Genevieve]

here is something about the aristocratic set and also the legacy that camilla prides herself and has model her life on!

Camilla's inherited role as royal mistress
By Ryan Dilley
BBC News Online

She was lover of the Prince of Wales - a strong influence on him and a humiliation for his wife. And she was Camilla Parker Bowles's great-grandmother.

We all know that Camilla was Charles's mistress while he was married to Diana. Or that her great-grandmother was also a royal mistress. There is nothing new or earth shatteringly revealing about Camilla or Charles in this article. If anything, it really only serves to establish that Camilla and Charles's liason on the side was the norm among their circles. So we can't really fault Charles and Camilla for their affair or for Diana and her multiple affairs. It was the norm as far as their band was concerned.

I thought you were going to provide evidence that Charles had another mistress while Camilla was his mistress and he was married to Diana? See your post below.

Hey I would not be so quick as to say that Charles had one affair. There are indications that he has cheated on camilla and Diana. And I suppose you will ask that infamous question, so I will get an article or so later.

 

[Reina]

Yea. And when I find it I'll post it. But I have read it and so I will find it.

 

[florawindsor]

about last year, or the year before last, there was a topic about c/c/d on royalarchive.com. and somebody(i don't remember who she is now) said, very definitely, that Charles did have other affairs with other women while he was with Camilla, and she also said that Camilla knew this woman, and they sort of planned charles's days with this woman together...
i was so shocked then. i asked if it was rumour. but she said very definitely that it was very famous affair she read it on some book/newspaper/magazine.
i can't remember any of the details now. i was speaking for the c/c then, cos i thought at least they love each other for such a long time. but that girl's comments just ruined all my faith. i never argued with anyone about c/c/d again
since the royalarchive.com underwent some changes last year, i don't know if it's possible to find the original posts. so i can't provide more information.

 

[Warren]

How famous?

I asked if it was rumour. but she said very definitely that it was very famous affair she read it on some book/newspaper/magazine.
I can't remember any of the details now.

Since no-one seems to know anything about it, or can provide any details, I think it is pushing it for someone to state "it was a very famous affair."

Put not ye faith in third-hand gossip!

 

[sara1981]

camilla is not my favorite royal but she look very good in her second gown. i think she should have worn a tiara, i didnt like the "thing" on her head. yuk
do yall know whats really funny-right now on MSN newnetwork they are showing the wedding of charles and diana.

i agree! Camilla not my favourite Royals! but i really adores Princess Diana very much but im wishes Diana was here!

Louise was probably left home not because of her age but because Edward and Sophie want to raise her out of the spotlight as much as possible. Charles and Camilla's wedding was a rather public and well documented affair, which would not exactly be conducive to the private life the Wessexes want to give Louise.

You also can't compare Harry and Louise. Harry was the second son of the future King (and at the time) and Queen of Great Britain. Unless he was sick, there would be no reason for him to be kept at home and away from the public eye.

i understand why Louise cant go watch Uncle Prince Charles's wedding because hardly understand for her but her parents go attend watch im not sure about she attend party after wedding ceremony?

i understood why Prince Charles and Camilla both divorcees for more reasons! and Camilla intives her ex-husband makes his ex-wife proud that totally no excuses!

examples if i got married into Royals if i would obey to Prince of Wales and obey to HM Queen of England like Sophie of Wessex more respectives because im American! if i got become as Crown Princess of Wales no matters for me follow his dad or Queen says will known!

Sara Boyce

 

[Elspeth]

i agree. It is too bad that others have to focus on one little thing like the comparison b/t the Clinton/Lewinsky and Charles/camilla affairs. They are not getting the big picture. Charles and camilla are not fit to be king and queen b/c they were in an adulterous relationship for 30+ years and he will someday be the head of the church of England and both the King and queen of the United Kingdom.

A lot of monarchs in the past had adulterous affairs, even after the monarch became the Supreme Governor of the Church of England back in the 16th century. There's a lot more to being a successful king or queen than simply marital fidelity.

If the Church of England was disestablished, so that the king or queen wasn't the Supreme Governor any more, what effect would that have on your opinion about Charles's fitness to be king?

 

[susan alicia]

I think alexandra allowed alice keppel to say goodbye in privacy. that shows great humanity and respect for them both and their relationship.

her no signing the book might have been about the edwardian insistance on the importance about how things appear and not about how they were

When Edward VII died in 1910, Alice Keppel found that the considerable influence she had enjoyed for 12 years was stopped with the beating of the king's heart.

A woman seen by some as a power behind the throne was not even permitted to sign the book of condolence for her dead lover.

 

[samgee]

A lot of monarchs in the past had adulterous affairs, even after the monarch became the Supreme Governor of the Church of England back in the 16th century.

If you think about it, the only reason that henry VIII became the head of the church of england was because the catholic church wouldn't allow him a divorce so he could marry his mistress Ann Boleyn.

 

[amy0411]

Does anyone have the pictures of Prince Charles and Camilla on the way back from the guildhall after they had just got married when they were holding hands? Ive only seen the pictures in the newspapers.

 

[hornsen]

Your wish is my command:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/hornsen/11.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/hornsen/12.jpg
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They are holding hands on way to honeymoon, too. But you can´t see it really good on these pics

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/hornsen/wed14.jpg
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[amy0411]

Aww thanks for for the pics. They are so sweet together.

 

[redfox6]

Who did he cheat on Camilla with? I would think that the way the British tabloids are, as bullish as they are, they would've uncovered this one by now and had it across the front pages for years now. And how come in the days before the wedding, no weeping mistress went on the BBC or to The Sun to share her woes and her forlorn, unrecipricated love for Charles?

It's not as if Charles and Camilla's marriage was some fairy tale that a weeping mistress would've ruined things or made things worst.

I think no one came forward or there were no stories about Charles cheating on Camilla, no matter how long ago the cheating took place, is because he never cheated on Camilla. He cheated on Diana but not on Camilla.

I, believe, it was Kanga, Lady Tryon. But, that wasn't cheating. I think they all knew about one another. It was Diana who was out of the loop and expected fidelity. After being married and rejected by her husband, she too, had flings. I think Camilla was the wisest and calmest of them all and in the end she won. Remember, Charles told her that her "greatest achievment in life was loving him." So Camilla perserved and will become Queen.

 

[Skydragon]

I, believe, it was Kanga, Lady Tryon. But, that wasn't cheating. I think they all knew about one another. It was Diana who was out of the loop.

Dale, like many others, was a former girlfriend before he married anyone and remained a friend after her marriage in 1973. Most normal people remain friends with the rest of their social circle, after marriage.

Just because he had umpteen girlfriends doesn't mean he was cheating on anyone and the same goes for them! Most of us have had umpteen girl/boyfriends. Diana wasn't in the loop because at that time in Charles life, she would have been around 9!

 

[ysbel]

As I've said before, Charles regularly kept widely publicized friendships with his old girlfriends during the 70s - it was never construed out to be anything other than that.

But that's really beside the point, what is a conversation of Charles' old girlfriends in the 70s doing in the thread about his wedding in 2005?