Princess Madeleine of Sweden and Christopher O'Neill: June 8, 2013


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I do understand and respect that different nations have their own traditions. I just think it's sad that the royal family here, that usually are big on traditions, has chosen to disregard the church tradition in this particular detail. It's disrespectful to the church. It's also sad that many young women out there watch the royal weddings and want to copy them. The (IMO) great tradition of walking in together in the church is becoming more and more rare as our nation is soaked in all things american. I'm not a big fan of that.

Xenobia, I understand from my Swedish relatives that it does happen from time to other that fathers are giving their daughters away though not often. It's standard procedure in Denmark and it hails back to the times when a marriage was more or less a contract between two families and the daughter was 'married off' to start her own family. As such it has nothing to do with Amrican traditions!

Theologically speaking -and between you and me ;) - the custom has no place these days especially in the Nordic countries where cohabitation and having children before marrying are the rule rather than the exception! However I don't see it changing in Denmark in the immediate future and if it makes father and bride happy, well that fine with me!
 
And something that I feel strongly about as a woman and and daughter. (And also the former daughter-in-law of a priest in the church of sweden, but that's another story).

I also think that we have different views on the church. I don't think that the church's job is to be a nice backdrop for weddings that could be changed whenever the bride(zilla) wants it to. The church has traditions that I respect even though I don't always agree with them. And I'm surprised that the royal family doesn't respect them. So maybe I'll just push harder for civil weddings, even for royalty? Then all of this wouldn't be an issue.

Well, we can certainly agree on having different views. :)

I'm an atheist. Personally I'm not particular concerned about what the church thinks, that'll leave to my daughter.
Should my daughter choose to marry in a church and wish to have me escort her up the aisle. I'll be there for her, because that's an old and beautiful tradition in my country. What it symbolize to me is my affection and support for my daughter on this very important day.
What I cannot understand are the objections of the Swedish church against a father escorting his daughter up the isle. Especially as the church has been willing to embrace other much more fundamental changes.
There are as far as I can see no religious reasons for objecting to a father escorting his daughter. It's not like the priest has to ask the father for permission or ask the father instead of the bride.
To me it looks more like the church is objecting to a currently politically incorrect parternal tradition - and good grief we can't have that.

I seriously doubt Mary would have an adjutant. CP Fredriks adjutant is behind him and the other military officer is Swedish.

You are right. :)
 
I just thought Charlene didn't wear a tiara because of her short hair. I could be wrong though.
 
Xenobia, I understand from my Swedish relatives that it does happen from time to other that fathers are giving their daughters away though not often. It's standard procedure in Denmark and it hails back to the times when a marriage was more or less a contract between two families and the daughter was 'married off' to start her own family. As such it has nothing to do with Amrican traditions!

Theologically speaking -and between you and me ;) - the custom has no place these days especially in the Nordic countries where cohabitation and having children before marrying are the rule rather than the exception! However I don't see it changing in Denmark in the immediate future and if it makes father and bride happy, well that fine with me!

Well, it's not a question of life and death, but not many of the things discussed in these forums are... :)

Between you and me, I agree. I've been to many weddings where the bride and groom lived together for many years and have children together. Having the father give away his daughter in that context seemed quite strange to me. But whatever makes people happy... :flowers:
 
Where are HGD Guillaume and his lovely wife? Have Stephanie and Guillaume gone home? I didn't notice them get on and off the Stockholm boat...
 
I must say the Swedish royal family do seem to have rather cheesy taste in music for their weddings. If you are going to have a church service for your wedding I expect church music not Disneyesque cheese.
I am not a fan of babies, even princess babies, at weddings. Personal taste I know, since I also do not like them on airplanes or department stores or grocery stores. The TV cameras spent much to much time focussing on Estelle and not on the wedding and adult guests.
 
This is where cultural differences set in, even though our two countries are only six kilometres apart.
Should my own daughter wish to walk alone down the aisle, fair enough I won't walk next to her. But I would happy and delighted and honoured by escorting her down the aisle. That's an emphasiz of the strong bonds that will hopefully remain between me and my daughter, a show of support. I have after all been there for her all her life and I intend to be there for her on that day too.
The church? I wouldn't give a hoot about what some priest would have to say about that.

I agree with you Muhler. My Papa has seen me through so much, been there for everything. That will be a special moment for me and for him. One of the few things that a father and daughter will share alone.
 
They weren't on the deck, but probably inside as I did see them leaving the boat.
 
Tiaras and sashes are not a requirement, they are an option. If they were a requirement guest lists would be a lot smaller.

what a strange explanation..if the dress code is tiara and sashes for royals,you have to adhere to the protocol..so far,charlene is the only consort there without any..she looks like a regular guest,wife of a rich guy.
 
I must say the Swedish royal family do seem to have rather cheesy taste in music for their weddings. If you are going to have a church service for your wedding I expect church music not Disneyesque cheese.
I am not a fan of babies, even princess babies, at weddings. Personal taste I know, since I also do not like them on airplanes or department stores or grocery stores. The TV cameras spent much to much time focussing on Estelle and not on the wedding and adult guests.

Lovely ceremony, but gotta agree with you about the music. Not to my taste, but if they like it, who am I to complain?

Estelle was adorable, couldn't help but smile at her. She's Madde's neice, weddings are for family and friends and Estelle made it more memorable in a good way for me. I was laughing at Victoria trying not to laugh at Estelle when she was reading! I thought it was adorable!
 
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I noticed Chris O'Neill crossed himself at one point; he must be a Catholic.
Was it an ecumenical service?
 
I noticed Chris O'Neill crossed himself at one point; he must be a Catholic.
Was it an ecumenical service?

Yes, he's a catholic (although lutherans also cross themselves in some church traditions).

No, it wasn't an ecumenical service, so the marriage isn't void in the eyes of the catholic church. But I don't think he cares, as far as I know he's not a practising catholic.
 
what a strange explanation..if the dress code is tiara and sashes for royals,you have to adhere to the protocol..so far,charlene is the only consort there without any..she looks like a regular guest,wife of a rich guy.

Speaks volumes, doesn't it?
 
Someone asked on Aftonbladet and it was confirmed that unfortunately the speeches won't be released for the public read. I remember that they did for one royal wedding least I think they did. Do they usually release any official photos from the reception? I know the BRF commonly don't but how bout everyone else?
 
I have to say I really feel for Princess Charlene. It must be so awkard to attend such an event without your husband...no wonder she seems lost at times. But she looked beautiful and elegant as ever. However, I would have loved to have seen her in a tiara at last, or at least with some jewellery!

The new couple looked radiant, the bride beautiful and the groom handsome. I too was surprised by the emotion and joy shown by Chris, since he was mostly unsmiling in earlier pictures. But today he was clearly very happy to be marrying his princess!
 
I must say the Swedish royal family do seem to have rather cheesy taste in music for their weddings. If you are going to have a church service for your wedding I expect church music not Disneyesque cheese.
I am not a fan of babies, even princess babies, at weddings. Personal taste I know, since I also do not like them on airplanes or department stores or grocery stores. The TV cameras spent much to much time focussing on Estelle and not on the wedding and adult guests.

I think we've been cloned -I agree with every ;)

Not impressed by the official pix but at least I've finally seen the bride's attendants. To be honest - and I know this will get some people - if the baby Estelle hadn't been there, then the young attendants would probably have got more attention (everyone likes children at a wedding). First time I've seen this happen. Just no pix of the children actually involved in the service.
 
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Yes, he's a catholic (although lutherans also cross themselves in some church traditions).

No, it wasn't an ecumenical service, so the marriage isn't void in the eyes of the catholic church. But I don't think he cares, as far as I know he's not a practising catholic.

The photos won't get large enough to see them:(


What is the significance of the crown on the alter? I noticed that Victoria had a different one at her wedding, there was one at Estelle's christening and I am sure there will be one at the wedding of carl-philip and Sofia.

You really think this is regal? She looks decked out for prom

Yes! I too feel that this is regal! She looked stunning.
 
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Not impressed by the official pix but at least I've finally seen the bride's attendants. To be honest - and I know this will get some people - if the baby Estelle hadn't been there, then the young attendants would probably have got more attention (everyone likes children at a wedding). First time I've seen this happen. Just no pix of the children actually involved in the service.

They didn't show the bridal attendants very much in Victoria's wedding either, but then the church was different and the bride's entrance was shown better (it was longer) and then the children were more seen.
 
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