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Old 04-15-2004, 08:41 PM
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Hi there everyone,

I don't think that I've been around for a few months now. I just happened to read somewhere that Princess Haya got married and thought that I'd read some posts especially on this website to find out some new info. I have to admit that I haven't read every single post on this thread since there are way too many, but thought that I'd comment on some statements from the few that I did read.

Well first of all there's this big issue going on about the fact that PH decided to marry a man whose already married. Speaking from a religious point of view atleast according to scriptural interpretations, a Muslim man (as is a Jewish man) is allowed to marry up to four wives but only under certain circumstances (from my interpretation) but he obviously is also allowed having one as well. According to the Quran, when the verse allowing a man to marry up to four wives came about, it only came after a war in which many Muslim men had died and there were lots of widows of war left behind. Unless a woman was capable of providing for herself and actually wanted to work, there was no other way that she could provide for herself (its scientifically proven that the majority (not all) of women prefer to be housewives). Therefore the practice was created for social and economic purposes. I believe that this practice is only limited to widows of war "only because" the verse allowing this practice came after a war in which many men died and not earlier or long after.

A lot of individuals do tend to use this practice (marrying multiple wives) in this day and age without going by the "widow of war" limit (which I "personally" don't agree with) but if the woman doesn't mind the fact that her husband to be or husband is married to another woman, then what's the problem? And off course I believe that the man should consult his wife before marrying another woman as well. I think that that would be pretty fair of him to do and at the same time he's respecting his wife's wishes. Calling PH a homewrecker is unjust because surprise-surprise, JUST MAYBE Sheikha Hind actually doesn't have a problem with her husband's actions. Whether she's keeping her "mouth shut" or not, I guess that we'll never really know. We should never assume how a person really feels without proper knowledge of the person's feelings.

As someone earlier stated, the fact that Haya's husband is older than her shouldn't be much of an issue. He is probably somewhat of a father figure for her. As for him being so-called "ugly", sure he's probably the media's "interpretation" of not so wonderful looking but off course the media isn't always right. I believe that God created everyone equally and so-called "good looks" are a manmade ideology for perfection purposes. Lets just remember that while being overweight is such a no-no in today's society, back in the Victorian era for a woman to be overweight was a symbol of royalty and wealth (hierarchy).

Finally, I'd just like to say that as far as the multiple wife issue goes, not everyone around the world goes by "modern" or Western standards and they don't necessarily have to. Hopefully Haya's husband did consult Sheikha Hind before taking Haya's hand in marriage and if he didn't then shame shame! As far as why Haya decided to wed him, it was either for caste reasons or just maybe she does really love him. They do both have a love for horses you know.

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Old 04-16-2004, 01:11 AM
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I'm sorry ladies but I think you are looking at the wrong person in the photo. Yes, P.Haya looks radiant and beautiful and the dress is absolutely divine. But what about the guy next to her?

After seeing many photos of Sheikh Mo where he usually looks interested, content and generally relaxed-these same four photos are something of an anomaly. For all the discussion about why she did it-I would like to know why he did it?

Any readers from Dubai have a take on this?

Also wam.org.ae (the emirates news agency-government mouthpiece) has not even announced the wedding and S.Mo is definately back in Dubai because he's been attending functions.

Any thoughts?
yes im from dubai...and walk in those social circles and so obviously we get a lot about whats going on and see them both very often around...
I can say that this marriage has done shk. mohd good as he is a changed man and thats for the better and all the pics of him now are like he is 10yrs younger and looks like he has never found some1 like that in his life....and yes it was anoounced by WAM and i have all the papers that announced it and it was on DUbai TV as an announcement from the royal court!!!!
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Old 04-16-2004, 03:14 AM
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Hi, this is my first post here.
I thought you might find this interesting: http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/todaysnew...=43973&subsec=3

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Welcome Aneca! That's an interesting article. Thanks for sharing it.
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Old 04-16-2004, 07:45 AM
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Does anyone know of pictures of them together before the marriage ceremony?

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Old 04-16-2004, 08:08 AM
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Thanks cocacola!

I'm very happy for SM and P.Haya.

My concern stemmed from the wedding photos where he looked very solemn, almost annoyed. But if you have seen them (or him) about and he's a happy chappy-then that's great.

When I used to live in the Emirates, my daughter would run wild in the Boulevard and on time to time throw herself into the billowing folds of his dishdasha. She loved it and he didn't seem to mind in the least. So I've always thought very warmly of him. So you can imagine my horror when I saw these photo and the very happy content Shk Mo of my memory wasn't so happy.

But you have put my mind at ease. Many thanks!
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Old 04-17-2004, 08:35 AM
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Some pic I came across of the royal couple before their engagement:

Princess Haya in conservative dress
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Old 04-17-2004, 12:39 PM
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I&#39;m sorry, I know next to nothing about Arab marriage customs, but what does Haya marrying the Sheikh mean for his first wife?
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Old 04-17-2004, 01:42 PM
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what does it mean for the first wife? .........hmmmm less sex. Damn I hate that...hehehehehe
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Old 04-17-2004, 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Layla@Apr 17th, 2004 - 7:35 am
Some pic I came across of the royal couple before their engagement:

Princess Haya in conservative dress
Thanks but I meant a picture of them attending some function together. Since it has been told in the papers she has been his escort lately I thought photos were a possibility but I haven&#39;t found any.
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Old 04-17-2004, 05:08 PM
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Aneca,
I think the pic I attached earlier was taken before their wedding/engagement. Here&#39;s another at the Epsom Race Track. I am not sure if the lady behind SM is PH. What do you think?

Epsom Race Track UK - Is the lady behind SM, Princess Haya?
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Old 04-17-2004, 05:18 PM
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I think that is Princess Haya behind SM ...the lady looks like her &#33;&#33;&#33; god knows :)
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Old 04-17-2004, 05:24 PM
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To me it doesn&#39;t look like Haya. Maybe that is S.M&#39;s first wife. That picture looks like it was taken in England. If that were Haya, I&#39;m sure someone would have seen the picture b4 now.
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Old 04-17-2004, 07:01 PM
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I just happened to be surfing the web and was shocked when I saw the photo of Princess Haya and her new husband. She&#39;s 30, gorgeous, smart, brought up and certainly influenced by a western stepmother...... This just seems so out of character. She looks so young and innocent and he looks like her grandfather, for goodness sake. I did not know until I read the postings here he was married. I don&#39;t think King Hussein would&#39;ve approved one bit. I do agree with those who think this is a looking for a father thing. Being one of 12 children with a very busy father and losing her mother at such a young age, I wonder how much that impacted her choice. It just seems so odd. I know King Hussein was 16 years older than Queen Noor but somehow that didn&#39;t seem as unappealing. I read Princess Haya and her new husband share a love of horses but is that enough? I always saw her as someone who could have her pick of husbands and this choice was unexpected and difficult to understand. How many wives does he have now? I don&#39;t get it.

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Haya is a grown woman and I&#39;m sure she went into this decesion with her eyes wide open.
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I know King Hussein was 16 years older than Queen Noor but somehow that didn&#39;t seem as unappealing.
i agree with you, may be its the fact that King Hussein was much more attractive than this guy that Haya is getting married too. I can kind of try to get pass the age gap but the looks, i dont understand how such a beautiful woman can be attracted to such an unattractive person.
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poor girl... he is so old and she is so preetty and young... :(

do you think she&#39;ll dress as rania? or is dubai a more conservative country than jordan? maybe she will have to wear her burka always...
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Old 04-18-2004, 05:10 PM
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Yes, I agree with Tanya. PH is definitely a full grown woman and can make fully conscious decisions for herself. I don&#39;t think that age should be much of an issue. Some people claim that her husband is "unattractive" and that PH is so "beautiful". Hmm, I think that too many people get influenced with the media&#39;s "interpretation" and "perception" of what beauty is. Perhaps PH is just open minded and doesn&#39;t give into cultural norms of what beauty truly is.

maryshawn stated the following:

"She&#39;s 30, gorgeous, smart, brought up and certainly influenced by a western stepmother......"

LOL is this an implication that marrying old men is a 100% traditional Muslim non-western thing? LOL The last time I checked, I read in the book Gone with the Wind that Scarlett O&#39;Hara&#39;s mother married a very old man (it was a cultural norm a few centuries for WESTERN countries and in certain European countries around the world it still is). Who else, Katharine Zeta Jones, Mina Suvari and oh yes even Anna Nicole Smith all hitched up with much older men. Calista Flockhart and Harrision Ford are/were another item (Harrison&#39;s about thirty years older than Calista). Warren Beaty is much much older than his wife Anette Benning. Secondly, you yourself stated that PH was influenced by QR, "her Western stepmother" who btw herself married an older man so the argument doesn&#39;t 100% make sense. Anyway, as far as older men marrying younger women goes, atleast from a religious point of view, the prophet Muhammad&#39;s first wife was fifteen years HIS SENIOR.

As for carlota&#39;s statement:

"do you think she&#39;ll dress as rania? or is dubai a more conservative country than jordan? maybe she will have to wear her burka always..."

I believe that Dubai is a so-called "modern" country according to a friend of mine who actually lives there (probably a traditional country at the same time though), but I believe that if she does have to cover up, she&#39;ll probably only partially cover her hair (I saw a picture of Sheikha Hind, SM&#39;s other wife wearing hijab-like headwear that was only partially covering her head). But LOL you do realize that some women ACTUALLY LIKE wearing burkas, even though I "personally" believe that covering your whole body isn&#39;t an Islamic practice.

Anyway, I don&#39;t think that looks and age should be much of an issue. The only thing that I don&#39;t agree with is that PH married an already married man because in my opinion, the circumstances didn&#39;t quite fit in with the practice. I believe that she probably did do it for hierarchal and caste reasons but again, who am I to judge? Its her life and she can do whatever she wants.
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Old 04-18-2004, 05:26 PM
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but again, who am I to judge? Its her life and she can do whatever she wants.&nbsp;
lovy_bear,
Nicely written, but I particularly like the part that has been quoted. I believe it is high time that we stopped analysing the reasons and rationalising why PH and SM have gotten married.
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Old 04-18-2004, 05:47 PM
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Hi Layla,

Thank you and yes I agree.
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well said layla and lovy bear.
You dont have to know much about Haya to figure out that she&#39;s an extremely independant young woman. Im sure that her decision to marry must&#39;ve have come after a lot of thought and consideration. So what if she has to dress a little more conservatively, she certainly doesn&#39;t seem to mind. Its not like she&#39;s shut up in a palace in the desert somewhere. From the recent pictures we&#39;ve seen, she&#39;s still indulging in her love of sports, promoting arab women athletes. Appearances and age aren&#39;t the most important things and I dont think she&#39;s so shallow anyway.
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