Princess Haya of Jordan to Sheikh Mohamad Bin Rashad Al-Maktoum of Dubai: 2004


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I think that that is his daughter?

And to whoever posted the arab times link, that newspaper is trash. though some of the things are beleivable it has unfortunately been written by a man with such twisted ideas and conspiracy theories that u cannot trust it
 
If u have read any of the previous threads about PHaya, u will read the rumours from ages ago that she and Sheikh Mohammed were having an affair, why they got married is a different question but i think that it was her choice, no one forced her and i don't think it was a rushed decision. i also think a reason might be that she might be or want to get pregnant but we will find out soon enough if that is the case!

To say that they were having an affair before getting married puts a different spin on things. In the end it would seem the Sheikh had little choice but to marry her to save her reputation, no? It would be a big deal in the Arab part of the world, the honour thing I mean. Maybe they were engaged secretly for months. There are photos of Haya wearing a ring in Dubai months ago.
 
Originally posted by alia_musallam@Apr 13th, 2004 - 5:49 pm
I think that that is his daughter?

And to whoever posted the arab times link, that newspaper is trash. though some of the things are beleivable it has unfortunately been written by a man with such twisted ideas and conspiracy theories that u cannot trust it
Of course you consider "Arabtimes.com" a trash because you are Jordanian. I do not blame you to feel that way about a newspaper that shows the bad things about your country.

By the way, the guy you mentioned with twisted ideas also talks about corruption in other countries not only Jordan.

NB: if it were not a trash, why the newspaper website (www.arabtimes.com) cannot be viewable in Jordan and in some other arab countries (Proxies are at play).
 
Originally posted by alia_musallam@Apr 13th, 2004 - 5:38 pm
as for being the second wife, there is nothing wrong with that. she is a princess and business woman in her own right, and has lived long enough in both europe and the middle east to judge for herslef whether she is prepared to accept that. i do not believe the arab times when it says that his first wife did not know that it was happening. all respect to her but i think that if this is a marriage of love or lust, it is a marriage of choice, unlike SM's first marriage and as such has equal value as to the happiness of SM and PHaya
I couldn't have said this any better.

I've been reading this thread since it started but I haven't wanted to post anything about it.

Haya is a beautiful, successful and intelligent woman. I'm sure that she could've chosen to marry any other man. This was her decision. I don't think that we have the right to judge her or her actions without knowing the reasoning behind them. This was her decision, and I'm sure that no one forced her to marry him.
 
for sure Haya was not forced for this marriage, i dont think KA is the kind of kings who force his famiy members in things related to their lives. moreover Haya is an independent girl. it was Haya's choice to marry SM, and i think there is love between them, as she looks happy in the photos.
i hope she will be happy , although i am sad for shikha Hind. Haya should have thought of her before her decision.

and about what was written in the link of arabtimes i it is full with lies - RJF is a rich family and this website always talking about the king Hussien's wealth , and now it says that she married SM for money.
 
On the sheikh site you can see pictures of his children.

This is the link: http://www.sheikhmohammed.ae

On your left you click on photo gallery.
You will get a new screen and on top on your left click on Al maktoum family and choose family gallery.
There are more other pictures of the sheikh and other family members.
 
Originally posted by Laila@Apr 14th, 2004 - 12:39 am
and about what was written in the link of arabtimes i it is full with lies - RJF is a rich family and this website always talking about the king Hussien's wealth , and now it says that she married SM for money.
Why do you say RJF is a rich family?
 
Originally posted by bluetortuga+Apr 11th, 2004 - 9:22 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bluetortuga @ Apr 11th, 2004 - 9:22 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sky@Apr 11th, 2004 - 8:25 am
Haya brother were there. 
http://www.petra.gov.jo/photos/2004/101/a20.jpg
He doesn't look too happy :( P. Haya's uncles, also in the picture don't look too thrilled either. I hope P. Hamzah is not taking tips from S. Mohammed. This marriage is as much a slap in the face to S. Hind as Q. Alia's marriage to K. Hussein was to P. Muna. I can't believe how history has repeated itself. I'm sure Q. Noor is somewhere chuckling at this situation: P. Haya is now a stepmom to 16 kids; she will be living in foreign country without any blood family with her; she's going into a situation where there is probably alot of jealousy; and UAE is a far more conservative society than Jordan. Sounds alot like Q. Noor faced when she married K. Hussein.

At least P. Ali will now have another source of guaranteed income. I think he should consider moving to Dubai, just so that P. Haya could have some blood family around. [/b][/quote]
I hope someone was looking out for her, although I don't think the age difference is such a big deal. It's more that she will be alone in a foreign country--who knows if she will be free to move about as she pleases? And what of her children?
 
Originally posted by karolinabraganza@Apr 11th, 2004 - 8:45 am
good point: politically, jordan's situation is strengthened within the arab world, it became increasingly difficult for them because of their american connections. but also, dont forget that dubai and the emirates are relatively on good terms with the US.

also: scrolling through images on Getty (search for 'princess haya') i noticed that recent picture show her in traditional cloths with head-scarf etc., whereas earlier pictures show her in western cloths. any thoughts on that?
Re the scarfs, I also questioned this, and someone said it was because she was in costume. . . .
 
Originally posted by Bubbette+Apr 14th, 2004 - 4:58 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bubbette @ Apr 14th, 2004 - 4:58 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-karolinabraganza@Apr 11th, 2004 - 8:45 am
good point: politically, jordan's situation is strengthened within the arab world, it became increasingly difficult for them because of their american connections. but also, dont forget that dubai and the emirates are relatively on good terms with the US.

also: scrolling through images on Getty (search for 'princess haya') i noticed that recent picture show her in traditional cloths with head-scarf etc., whereas earlier pictures show her in western cloths. any thoughts on that?
Re the scarfs, I also questioned this, and someone said it was because she was in costume. . . . [/b][/quote]
I have seen her dressed in more traditional clothing in most of her recent photos. The last time in which she was dressed this way, I believe the photos were taken in Dubai at a soccer match. :unsure: I could be wrong about the event, however I remember her style of dress well and Haya was not wearing western clothing. I wonder if she will now change her style of dress completely?
 
I have seen her dressed in more traditional clothing in most of her recent photos. The last time in which she was dressed this way, I belive the photos were taken in Dubai at a soccer match.  I could be wrong about the event, however I remember her style of dress well and Haya was not wearing western clothing. I wonder if she will now change her style of dress completely?

i think she will have to...the u.a.e. is far more conservative than jordan and, being a member of the royal family now, haya will be expected to conform. i highly doubt we will ever see her in western clothing or without a veil again.
 
Originally posted by madonna23@Apr 14th, 2004 - 5:26 pm
I have seen her dressed in more traditional clothing in most of her recent photos. The last time in which she was dressed this way, I belive the photos were taken in Dubai at a soccer match.  I could be wrong about the event, however I remember her style of dress well and Haya was not wearing western clothing. I wonder if she will now change her style of dress completely?

i think she will have to...the u.a.e. is far more conservative than jordan and, being a member of the royal family now, haya will be expected to conform. i highly doubt we will ever see her in western clothing or without a veil again.
I also noticed in the photos that she was wearing little or possibly no makeup. :unsure:
 
I also noticed in the photos that she was wearing little or possibly no makeup.

hmmm...that's true but i think that's always been haya's style. she's never worn that much make-up before....if you look at king abdullah's coronation pics, haya is shown without almost any make-up.

in my opinion, she looks better that way...she has that face which doesn't need make-up anyway...just look at her wedding photos! :flower:
 
Originally posted by madonna23@Apr 14th, 2004 - 5:53 pm
I also noticed in the photos that she was wearing little or possibly no makeup.

hmmm...that's true but i think that's always been haya's style. she's never worn that much make-up before....if you look at king abdullah's coronation pics, haya is shown without almost any make-up.

in my opinion, she looks better that way...she has that face which doesn't need make-up anyway...just look at her wedding photos! :flower:
Actually, Haya does usually wear makeup. She has very nice skin, so makeup only enhances her features and makes her skin appear tinted in all of the right places. She never looks overly made up just very vibrant and fresh looking.

However, Haya has definitely worn makeup in the majority of photographs that I have ever seen of her, even candid ones. It is usually clear that she is almost always wearing eyeliner, mascara (especially mascara), lipstick, and blush. In her recent photos (those seen of her before the wedding), Haya wasn't wearing any makeup at all. Her skin was lighter and there was a visible paleness.
 
Please guys, can u post more photos.....im bored of seeing those 4 time and time again!!! Thanx id be so grateful ;)
 
I'm sorry ladies but I think you are looking at the wrong person in the photo. Yes, P.Haya looks radiant and beautiful and the dress is absolutely divine. But what about the guy next to her?

After seeing many photos of Sheikh Mo where he usually looks interested, content and generally relaxed-these same four photos are something of an anomaly. For all the discussion about why she did it-I would like to know why he did it?

Any readers from Dubai have a take on this?

Also wam.org.ae (the emirates news agency-government mouthpiece) has not even announced the wedding and S.Mo is definately back in Dubai because he's been attending functions.

Any thoughts?
 
OH MY GOOOOOOD!!!!! ITS TERRIBLE ! SHE IS SO FREE GIRL ! I SAW SOME PICTURES WHERE SHE HAD A CIGARETTE IN HER ARAMS SO I THINK SHE SMOKES??? AS I KNOW ARAB COMMUNITY IS VERY RELIGIOUS ! MAYBE ITS LOVE OR JUST MISTAKE! :woot:
 
Hi there everyone,

I don't think that I've been around for a few months now. I just happened to read somewhere that Princess Haya got married and thought that I'd read some posts especially on this website to find out some new info. I have to admit that I haven't read every single post on this thread since there are way too many, but thought that I'd comment on some statements from the few that I did read.

Well first of all there's this big issue going on about the fact that PH decided to marry a man whose already married. Speaking from a religious point of view atleast according to scriptural interpretations, a Muslim man (as is a Jewish man) is allowed to marry up to four wives but only under certain circumstances (from my interpretation) but he obviously is also allowed having one as well. According to the Quran, when the verse allowing a man to marry up to four wives came about, it only came after a war in which many Muslim men had died and there were lots of widows of war left behind. Unless a woman was capable of providing for herself and actually wanted to work, there was no other way that she could provide for herself (its scientifically proven that the majority (not all) of women prefer to be housewives). Therefore the practice was created for social and economic purposes. I believe that this practice is only limited to widows of war "only because" the verse allowing this practice came after a war in which many men died and not earlier or long after.

A lot of individuals do tend to use this practice (marrying multiple wives) in this day and age without going by the "widow of war" limit (which I "personally" don't agree with) but if the woman doesn't mind the fact that her husband to be or husband is married to another woman, then what's the problem? And off course I believe that the man should consult his wife before marrying another woman as well. I think that that would be pretty fair of him to do and at the same time he's respecting his wife's wishes. Calling PH a homewrecker is unjust because surprise-surprise, JUST MAYBE Sheikha Hind actually doesn't have a problem with her husband's actions. Whether she's keeping her "mouth shut" or not, I guess that we'll never really know. We should never assume how a person really feels without proper knowledge of the person's feelings.

As someone earlier stated, the fact that Haya's husband is older than her shouldn't be much of an issue. He is probably somewhat of a father figure for her. As for him being so-called "ugly", sure he's probably the media's "interpretation" of not so wonderful looking but off course the media isn't always right. I believe that God created everyone equally and so-called "good looks" are a manmade ideology for perfection purposes. Lets just remember that while being overweight is such a no-no in today's society, back in the Victorian era for a woman to be overweight was a symbol of royalty and wealth (hierarchy).

Finally, I'd just like to say that as far as the multiple wife issue goes, not everyone around the world goes by "modern" or Western standards and they don't necessarily have to. Hopefully Haya's husband did consult Sheikha Hind before taking Haya's hand in marriage and if he didn't then shame shame! As far as why Haya decided to wed him, it was either for caste reasons or just maybe she does really love him. They do both have a love for horses you know.

Cya :heart: :grrr:
 
Originally posted by silver charm@Apr 15th, 2004 - 8:23 am
I'm sorry ladies but I think you are looking at the wrong person in the photo. Yes, P.Haya looks radiant and beautiful and the dress is absolutely divine. But what about the guy next to her?

After seeing many photos of Sheikh Mo where he usually looks interested, content and generally relaxed-these same four photos are something of an anomaly. For all the discussion about why she did it-I would like to know why he did it?

Any readers from Dubai have a take on this?

Also wam.org.ae (the emirates news agency-government mouthpiece) has not even announced the wedding and S.Mo is definately back in Dubai because he's been attending functions.

Any thoughts?
yes im from dubai...and walk in those social circles and so obviously we get a lot about whats going on and see them both very often around...
I can say that this marriage has done shk. mohd good as he is a changed man and thats for the better and all the pics of him now are like he is 10yrs younger and looks like he has never found some1 like that in his life....and yes it was anoounced by WAM and i have all the papers that announced it and it was on DUbai TV as an announcement from the royal court!!!!
 
You're welcome!
Does anyone know of pictures of them together before the marriage ceremony?

Thanks
 
Thanks cocacola!

I'm very happy for SM and P.Haya.

My concern stemmed from the wedding photos where he looked very solemn, almost annoyed. But if you have seen them (or him) about and he's a happy chappy-then that's great.

When I used to live in the Emirates, my daughter would run wild in the Boulevard and on time to time throw herself into the billowing folds of his dishdasha. She loved it and he didn't seem to mind in the least. So I've always thought very warmly of him. So you can imagine my horror when I saw these photo and the very happy content Shk Mo of my memory wasn't so happy.

But you have put my mind at ease. Many thanks!
 
I'm sorry, I know next to nothing about Arab marriage customs, but what does Haya marrying the Sheikh mean for his first wife?
 
what does it mean for the first wife? .........hmmmm less sex. Damn I hate that...hehehehehe
 
Originally posted by Layla@Apr 17th, 2004 - 7:35 am
Some pic I came across of the royal couple before their engagement:

Princess Haya in conservative dress
Thanks but I meant a picture of them attending some function together. Since it has been told in the papers she has been his escort lately I thought photos were a possibility but I haven't found any.
 
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