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Do the Prince and Princess work?
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Ok, thanks for your answer.
I am currently watching the end of the ceremony with "Joyful, joyful". I am definitely unimpressed. It had no class IMHO.
Love for liturgical rite is a good reason for my being a catholic. I can't get used to non-liturgical music being performed in a religiou ceremony.
Exacty - they know pretty much everyone there - they are Royal wedding veterans and are probably considered friends by many of them. Lots of photos of them interacting with others:
Sophie and the Queens
Sophie and Victoria
During the dinner Edward seemed to be doing a fine job of enteraining is table which included Mette-Marit and Maxima, both people's weddings he has attended and people who he probably considers friends.
Here is a rough translation of Carl Philips speech. If something is spelled the wrong way or sounds strange, it's probably me, not him
Your Majesties, Your Royal Highnesses, Excellences, ladies and gentlemen, dear family and friends, and last but not least, my dear wife Sofia.
Sometimes you reach a turing point. A choice that defies your whole future, and which touches the core of who you are and who you want to be. It often takes courage. Courage to not chose the easy way because is is the easy one, but courage to stay on the hard way because it's the right way.
Sofia, we never chose the hard way, it chose us. Every time we tried to make another choice, love brought us together again. Every time we tried to stay away from each other my heart became empty. And at last, at last Sofia, we made the right choice - a choice that makes me the happiest man on earth. Sofia, you fill my life with love and joy.
Today we prove that love conquers all. ….
Absolutely agree. I have no need or desire that there are people better than me. As you say it is all the luck of the draw. For those who are so against Sophia, I think they need to do more historical reading. There are many, many before Sophia who have joined "royal" families and ended up almost creating dynasties.
I wish Carl Philip and Sofia well. It is always a miracle in life when you find your soulmate.
I watched the wedding yesterday and ofcourse it was their day and they made their choices but it made me even more looking forward to the future royal wedding of Prince Henry of Wales. The way the British Royal Family organises a wedding with all the traditional classical music, to me that is how a Royal Wedding should be.
Just my opinion.
While I generally very much disliked the music choices for the wedding (or at least the Enya, Coldplay, and Rihanna selections), "Joyful, Joyful" was actually a highlight for me. Gospel music is religious music. It may not be the style of music that most of us are used to worshiping with, but it's a bid odd to me that people seem to be almost offended that gospel music was used in a church. That's what it's for! Some churches fill their services with that kind of music exclusively. (And yes, I do realize that that particular arrangement comes from Sister Act 2, but personally I don't see that as making much of a difference. Gospel music arrangements can be a bit more fluid than other styles of religious music).
For those who have questioned the 'class' of the wedding pair, I think it shows a lack of class to harshly criticize a couple on their wedding day.
Exacty - they know pretty much everyone there - they are Royal wedding veterans and are probably considered friends by many of them. Lots of photos of them interacting with others:
Sophie and the Queens
Monarchies are dated and anachronistic. They exist through the will of the people. No nation has a monarch in Western Europe that rules. Those that are looking down their noses at a lovely wedding and a lovely bride and groom, better hike back to the 19th Century. All that stuff is over. Four of the queens in attendance are commoners. Everyone seemed to have a good time. They all looked lovely. The bride and groom seem to love each other very much. The groom's mother looked like she was having a swell time from a glimpse in a window. And there are, really, no royals. Just a made up word to rule over others. It is long over.
Your Majesties, Your Royal Highnesses, Excellences, ladies and gentlemen, dear family and friends, and last but not least, my dear wife Sofia.
Sometimes you reach a turing point. A choice that defies your whole future, and which touches the core of who you are and who you want to be. It often takes courage. Courage to not chose the easy way because is is the easy one, but courage to stay on the hard way because it's the right way.
Sofia, we never chose the hard way, it chose us. Every time we tried to make another choice, love brought us together again. Every time we tried to stay away from each other my heart became empty. And at last, at last Sofia, we made the right choice - a choice that makes me the happiest man on earth. Sofia, you fill my life with love and joy.
Today we prove that love conquers all. ...
Exacty - they know pretty much everyone there - they are Royal wedding veterans and are probably considered friends by many of them. Lots of photos of them interacting with others:
Sophie and the Queens
Sophie and Victoria
During the dinner Edward seemed to be doing a fine job of enteraining is table which included Mette-Marit and Maxima, both people's weddings he has attended and people who he probably considers friends.
The gospel version of Beethoven's music in itself was not so bad, but I think it was a bad choice for the recessional procession. Thankfully, the cameras cut to Sofia and CP and didn't show the rest of the Royal Family and the royal guests leaving the church while the chorus was singing and the congregation was clapping. The younger royals like Frederik and Haakon might have been OK with it, but I wonder if Queen Margrethe or even Mathilde and Edward Wessex felt uncomfortable with it.
Queen Sonja seemed to enjoy it and started to clap along.
I didn't mind the music that much. His sisters both had a pop song in church too, so maybe it is normal in the Swedish church? The music wouldn't be my choice in a million years, I would stick to Bach from beginning to end probably. But the couple liked it and it was their wedding. In a way it can be appreciated that they didn't pretend to be something they were not and just went for what they like.
The gospel version of Beethoven's
music in itself was not so bad, but I think it was a bad choice
for the recessional procession.
Thankfully, the cameras cut to Sofia
and CP and didn't show the rest of the Royal Family and the
royal guests leaving the church while the chorus was singing
and the congregation was clapping. The younger royals like
Frederik and Haakon might have been OK with it, but I
wonder if Queen Margrethe or even Mathilde and Edward
Wessex felt uncomfortable with it.
I am often slashed on this board for being oldfashioned in my desire that royals should go for the longer term interests of their monarchy and marry "suitable" partners.
Averyone, from the man in the street to the lady behind her laptop somewhere in Australia sees that it does not matter at all. You were the personal sports instructor of the Crown Princess? Welcome His Royal Highness Prince Daniel of Sweden! You were a bikini model and real life soap actress? Welcome Her Royal Highness Princess Sofia of Sweden! You were an unwed mother with a son from a guy somewhere? Welcome Her Royal Highness Princess Mette-Marit of Norway! You were splashed out on the Spanish TV-screens, day in, day out, reading the news? Welcome Her Majesty The Queen of Spain... suddenly you are no longer a journalist, a sports instructor, a bikini model or a waitress in a bar but a "Royal Highness"....
And someday another commoner will be queen (Kate). What difference does it make? There's no such thing as 'royal bloodlines' anyway. How many times have thrones been toppled by war and other machinations and new 'blood' taken over?
It's just a lingering tradition now from days long ago. If a country wants to retain that connection to their history by allowing a family to 'pretend' to rule...that's up to them. Just don't expect people in this day and age to think there's anything superior about the 'royal' families. So all the angst about royals marrying unsuitable spouses etc is just silly. I mean really...we are all equal....and good Lord some of the royals aren't exactly someone you'd want to marry anyway...they all have their own vices and skeletons.
LaRae
I think you and many others are missing the point. The issue IS NOT COMMONERS. The problem is COMMON COMMONERS.
If I was Dutch I'd be proud as heck to have the former Maxima Zorregueta as my Queen. Same if I was Luxembourgish with Maria-Teresa Mestre. Neither of those women have "bloodlines" but there is nothing vulgar or common about them and their past and present conduct.
If you and the others don't know the difference I can't explain it to you.
The music choices were along the same lines as his sisters weddings, and I would say that they are very much alike other church weddings here in Sweden. The bride and groom picks music that means something special to them. When it comes to the gospel song at the end of the ceremony, I think it was a pleasant surprise to most swedes who were watching. This kind of gospel music is very common in both the Church of Sweden and other churches. There are lots of really good gospel choirs here. They both sing during church services and give concerts, and most swedes like that kind of music.
I respect and understand that other countries have a different musical tradition, and might not like the swedish way of doing things. But as I said, here I think that most people appreciate the music that was chosen for the church ceremony.
! It was absolutely unsuitable for a procession! As someone
else mentioned, church music is composed 'soli deo gloria', for the
glory of God. Music for church rituals & services should reflect this,
and it can be done in several ways using both classical as well as
modern music, as long as it doesn't clash with the Gospel and the
liturgy and the nature of the event itself.
It should also be possible to include a suitable song/solo piece
of personal choice.
However at the end of the day a church wedding is not about the
bridal couple displaying their inventiveness and stage managing
abilities! That should be left to the celebration afterwards!
That said, the bride was beautiful and it was heart warming
to watch the happiness of the couple! And let's give Sofia a
chance! I wouldn't be surprised if she'd turn out to be an asset
for the Swedish RF - as long a she doesn't mess too much with
future ecclesiastical events .
Queen Margrethe has a certain look when not amused! I agree
that it was a wise decision of the TV producers to omit close-ups
of the royals during the exit!
You know what struck me watching the recessional? Many of those "born royals" we're cheering and clapping (and smiling and clearly enjoying the moment) just as much as the non-born royals. So, what are we all talking about here??
Edited to add: I liked how Sofia and Carl Philip are clearly respectful of and respected by courtiers - she thanked the staffer carrying her skirt and who placed the train in the carriage, he shared a warm moment with the adjutant who handed him his gloves while he was in the carriage (he has forgotten them on the recessional).
I don't know about Queen Margrethe but she looked "merry" and a bit "absent" during the whole ceremony, so I think her facial expression didn't change.....