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but Mathilde married the heir and Claire married the son of the King. Amedeo is nowhere close to the throne.
You can see it this way. But when Claire married Laurent in 2003 he was already nowhere near the throne too. At that time Laurent was nr. 8 in line of throne while Amedeo was nr. 4. Now Laurent is on 11 an Amedeo on 6. Several Belgian journalists mentioned that the new government will be involved. So I guess they checked this information.
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Old 07-04-2014, 01:06 PM
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Thanks for your pictures Stephanie.
To morrow Elisabetha wil be H I & R Highness Archduchess of Habsbourg-Este.
As we have no Government yet , there is no decision if she will be Princess of Belgium.
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True. But there are the recent precedents making Mathilde and Claire Princesses in their own right. And it also has to be decided if Amedeo and Lili's future children are to be included in the line of throne. So the government will be involved anyway.
The Royal Decree is not granting Claire or Mathilde a title in their own right but is meant as a confirmation of the existing tradition. The formulating Voulant donner un témoignage public de Notre haute bienveillance ā Mademoiselle Claire Coombs (Wanting to show a public sign of Our high well-willingness towards Miss Claire Coombs) followed by Mademoiselle Coombs sera qualifiée Princesse de Belgique ā la suite des noms qui lui sont propres (Miss Coombs is qualified "Princess of Belgium", following on her own names).

Look at the difference in wording with Máxima:

"Starting from the marriage with His Royal Highness Prince Willem-Alexander Claus Georg Ferdinand, The Prince of Orange, with Ms Máxima Zorreguieta, to Her are granted the titles "Princess of the Netherlands" and "Princess of Orange-Nassau" with the predicate "Royal Highness" followed by regulations about the names, titles and predicate to be born by children from this marriage.

This was followed with another two Royal Decrees in which a personal coat-of-arms and a personal distinction standard (flag) were granted to the new Princess of the Netherlands and a similar one for the children from the said marriage, whom were granted their own coat-of-arms too.
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Old 07-04-2014, 01:29 PM
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Let's hope that we will get some good pictures tomorrow. It is a private wedding, but I hope that they'll at least post for photographers when leaving the church.

I so much hope that Elisabetta will wear a tiara. It is not known whether there's one in her family, but his family certainly owns some. My favourite would be the Savoy-Aosta tiara of Princess Astrid, but of Amadeo's grandmothers own another one.
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Old 07-04-2014, 01:50 PM
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You can see it this way. But when Claire married Laurent in 2003 he was already nowhere near the throne too. At that time Laurent was nr. 8 in line of throne while Amedeo was nr. 4. Now Laurent is on 11 an Amedeo on 6. Several Belgian journalists mentioned that the new government will be involved. So I guess they checked this information.
But Laurent was a son of the King, which is much closer than nephew of the King.

Traditionally, the titles would be only passed on through male descendants or a female heir. But that seems to have changed now that they have changed the succession to equal primogeniture. They might grant Royal titles to all future descendants of Albert II with no restriction (which I find unlikely), or they might restrict it, eg. to grandchildren of the sovereign.

My guess is, that Elisabetta will be handled in the same way as Claire, but their children might be just Arch Dukes of Austria. Time will show.
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Old 07-04-2014, 01:51 PM
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Prince Radu of Romania has given up some information about the wedding - Prince Nicholas of Romania is attending and the dinner is at Villa Medici in Rome.

Noblesseetroyautes.com says that it will take place at at 17:30 in the Basilica of Santa Maria in Trastevere and Italy recognizes religious weddings as civil too, so no seperate civil ceremony.

Nicolas de Roumanie au mariage d’Amedeo de Belgique
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They will work in Belgium and already bought their house.
As his Father He may work as Duc de Bar.
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Amedeo and Lili, with their families and their loved ones, for the final preparations and rehearsals for their wedding in Rome
https://www.facebook.com/PlaceRoyale...type=1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/PlaceRoyale...type=1&theater

The two dads met journalists and answered their questions.

https://www.facebook.com/PlaceRoyale...type=1&theater
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You can see it this way. But when Claire married Laurent in 2003 he was already nowhere near the throne too. At that time Laurent was nr. 8 in line of throne while Amedeo was nr. 4. Now Laurent is on 11 an Amedeo on 6. Several Belgian journalists mentioned that the new government will be involved. So I guess they checked this information.
that's not what I meant, and you know it. Amedeo is the grandson of the former King and nephew to the King. Laurent is the son of the former King and brother to the King. Closer to the throne. Claire & Mathilde are the first tier, whereas Amedeo is, at best, second tier.
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True. But there are the recent precedents making Mathilde and Claire Princesses in their own right. And it also has to be decided if Amedeo and Lili's future children are to be included in the line of throne. So the government will be involved anyway.
But can this decision not made by the goverment who is still in power despite the recent elections.
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My guess is, that Elisabetta will be handled in the same way as Claire, but their children might be just Arch Dukes of Austria. Time will show.
I think you mean Archduke/Archduchess of Austria-Este
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Here are some more pics from today, July 4:



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** nieuwsblad.be: Voorbereidingen huwelijk prins Amedeo in volle gang **
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I like how three of Amedeo's relatives are included in the bridal party. I wonder if they're the only children in the bridal party, or if more bridesmaids and page boys will be announced tomorrow.

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Lili's middle name is Maria.
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that's not what I meant, and you know it. Amedeo is the grandson of the former King and nephew to the King. Laurent is the son of the former King and brother to the King. Closer to the throne. Claire & Mathilde are the first tier, whereas Amedeo is, at best, second tier.
Archduke Amedeo is actually closer to the throne and 'more important' than his uncle Prince Laurent. His uncle Prince Philippe (the present King) took so long time to get married, that Amedeo already more or less was seen as a future King until Philippe surprised anyone with his engagement to Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz.

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HRH Princess Elisabeth of Belgium, the Duchess of Brabant
HRH Prince Gabriel of Belgium
HRH Prince Emmanuel of Belgium
HRH Princess Eléonore of Belgium
HI&RH Archduchess Astrid of Austria-Este née Princess of Belgium
HI&RH Archduke Amedeo of Austria-Este, Prince of Belgium
HI&RH Archduchess Maria Laura of Austria-Este, Princess of Belgium
HI&RH Archduke Joachim of Austria-Este, Prince of Belgium
HI&RH Archduchess Luisa Maria of Austria-Este, Princess of Belgium
HI&RH Archduchess Letitia Maria of Austria-Este, Princess of Belgium
HRH Prince Laurent of Belgium
HRH Princess Louise of Belgium
HRH Prince Nicolas of Belgium
HRH Prince Aymeric of Belgium

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Archduke Lorenz is the only working member of the RF and uses several titles as Prince of Belgium, Archduke of Habsbourg Austria and the Duc de Bar used by the Habsbourg for a more anonym way.
His son Amadeo is born Archduke of Habsbourg Este and not Prince of Belgium. He was then King Baudouin's nephew.
He is a working royal, left New York and will work in Belgium. It is more easy for him not to be Prince of Belgium.
He is not the King's Grandson anymore but again the King's Nephew.
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I like how three of Amedeo's relatives are included in the bridal party. I wonder if they're the only children in the bridal party, or if more bridesmaids and page boys will be announced tomorrow.



Lili's middle name is Maria.

in the rehearsals pictures you can see other children (Princess Elisabeth and Princess Louise didn't attend). I imagine they're are from bride side
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Archduke Lorenz is the only working member of the RF and uses several titles as Prince of Belgium, Archduke of Habsbourg Austria and the Duc de Bar used by the Habsbourg for a more anonym way.
His son Amadeo is born Archduke of Habsbourg Este and not Prince of Belgium. He was then King Baudouin's nephew.
He is a working royal, left New York and will work in Belgium. It is more easy for him not to be Prince of Belgium.
He is not the King's Grandson anymore but again the King's Nephew.
In 1991 the children of Archduke Lorenz were granted the title Prince (Princess) of Belgium. In 1995 also Archduke Lorenz himself was granted the title Prince of Belgium.

The Royal Decree of 1991 states that all descendants of King Albert II have the title Prince (Princess) of Belgium. Unless another Decree is issued, this arrangement applies as well on the children of Amedeo and Elisabetta. The bride can be addressed by her husband's titles (as all other Belgian ladies can be addressed by their husband's titles as well) and their children will be a Prince (Princess) of Belgium unless King Philippe issues a new Royal Decree.
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other pictures from yesterday afternoon.
You can see one of the pageboys. He's the Archduke Lorenz, the son of the Archduke and Archduchess Carl Peter of Austria
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in the rehearsals pictures you can see other children (Princess Elisabeth and Princess Louise didn't attend). I imagine they're are from bride side
Some of the children were Habsburgs meaning that paternal relatives of Amedeo will also be in the bridal party.
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