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Old 03-09-2016, 10:06 AM
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Has anyone managed to work out what exactly Prince Laurent was wearing last night?

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Germany is a neighbour of Belgium, it is the most powerful state in the EU and of immense importance to Belgium. It is nice to be eccentric, but in the presence of the Bundespräsident? Hmmm.... Well, Herr Gauck respected the Belgian dresscode for 100%. In the German delegation were the high and the mighty from all sectors. What impression will grumpy Laurent have made on them?
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Old 03-09-2016, 12:21 PM
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Germany is a neighbour of Belgium, it is the most powerful state in the EU and of immense importance to Belgium. It is nice to be eccentric, but in the presence of the Bundespräsident? Hmmm.... Well, Herr Gauck respected the Belgian dresscode for 100%. In the German delegation were the high and the mighty from all sectors. What impression will grumpy Laurent have made on them?
I really doubt that President Gauck could be bothered about Laurent's garb. But Prince Laurent would to good not to compare himself to the Stasi victims while Mr. Gauck is within earshot. That wouldn't go down well.
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Old 03-09-2016, 01:33 PM
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Duc, Prince Albert received the Deco tiara in December 1960 , not for their wedding.

Princess Astrid received new jewels for Josephine Charlote and Baudouin 's births.

King Albert I died , 3 months later was born the then King and Queen third Child and the widow Queen gave her own tiara.
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Old 03-09-2016, 01:59 PM
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I guess to me it just seems a shame that after Astrid the tiara will likely disappear into a vault never to be seen. Lorenz's family has at least one tiara to be used by Amadeo and his wife when they were head of the family. It wouldn't be the first time that a tiara was returned to the main branch of a family after the owner died. IMO, it would seem fitting that the 'Queen Elizabeth art deco tiara' be worn by the future Queen Elizabeth one day. Paola doesn't need to give it to Mathilde, simply leave it in the royal vaults, with the understanding it is to be borrowed by Astrid when she chooses. Elisabeth is as much her blood as Astrid, I don't think Paola would be too disappointed to see her granddaughter wear it.
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Old 03-09-2016, 03:07 PM
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The three archduchesses have a very social life. Do not underestimate the number of balls, weddings, anniveraries, jubilees and other festivities there are amongst the gotha!

That the three daughters of Princess Astrid are not visible in media does not mean they can not sparkle at events. Until not so long ago the French magazines Point de Vue and Paris Match covered this sort of events and you would be surprised by the glamour and the glitter members of the European aristocracy still spread at their unknown events... (picture / click to enlarge).

It comes handy when you are an Archduchess of Austria-Este and a Princess of Belgium, that you can appear according your high status and rank. The Bandeau can be worn as a stunning choker as well.
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Old 03-09-2016, 04:02 PM
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And I am sure the Austre Este family have many sparkling jewels of their own for the women to wear. Certainly they must have before Astrid married in. She has worn jewels and tiaras before now, when the bandeau was worn by her mother.

It is a Belgian tiara. Like I said, its great that Astrid be allowed to wear it. But why does it have to leave the Belgian royal family? While Paola was not meant to be queen, it was still remaining in the Belgian royal house. It would be like a tiara being given to Sofia or Madeleine. May not be intended for the queen (future) but still in the royal family. I prefer how the Swedes do it, that the majority of tiaras belong to the family, and are loaned to the varying ladies in the family. The king's sisters, wife, daughters and daughter in law all have access but they remain in the core. Considering the Belgians have so very few tiaras, and as Philippe's kids get older there will be 2 daughters and 2 daughter in laws needing tiaras for events, it seems fitting the tiara remain in the family collection.

The tiara has been worn by three queen consorts and one future (Mathilde on her wedding). That history should continue
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Old 03-09-2016, 05:11 PM
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I´m starting to believe that Pr Laurent will never overcome his demons and finish his "black sheep of the family" role.
Being "eccentric" is one thing. But turning down the highest order of the visiting guest by not putting it on is a very unpolite thing to do! I assume he also received the german federal order of merit as his sister and brother-in-law got it, too.
What I am saying is that this goes beyond not wearing white-tie!

Of course the President and Mrs. Schadt are too polite to show their astonishment or disappointment in public.
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Old 03-09-2016, 05:26 PM
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Reception hosted by the German President Gauck at the BOZAR Centre for Fine Arts.

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Old 03-09-2016, 05:27 PM
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on is a very unpolite thing to do! I assume he also received the german federal order of merit as his sister and brother-in-law got it, too.
What I am saying is that this goes beyond not wearing white-tie!

Of course the President and Mrs. Schadt are too polite to show their astonishment or disappointment in public.
Probably he like his brother-sister and brother-in-law alread had their german order already received in 1998 when President Roman Herzog paid a State Visit to Belgium. But it is indeed a really strange behaviour of him to not follow the dresscode.
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Old 03-09-2016, 05:30 PM
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And I am sure the Austre Este family have many sparkling jewels of their own for the women to wear. Certainly they must have before Astrid married in. She has worn jewels and tiaras before now, when the bandeau was worn by her mother.

It is a Belgian tiara. Like I said, its great that Astrid be allowed to wear it. But why does it have to leave the Belgian royal family? While Paola was not meant to be queen, it was still remaining in the Belgian royal house. It would be like a tiara being given to Sofia or Madeleine. May not be intended for the queen (future) but still in the royal family. I prefer how the Swedes do it, that the majority of tiaras belong to the family, and are loaned to the varying ladies in the family. The king's sisters, wife, daughters and daughter in law all have access but they remain in the core. Considering the Belgians have so very few tiaras, and as Philippe's kids get older there will be 2 daughters and 2 daughter in laws needing tiaras for events, it seems fitting the tiara remain in the family collection.

The tiara has been worn by three reigning queens and one future (Mathilde on her wedding). That history should continue
It seems to be a tradition in the belgian Family that much oif the Jewels are left to daughters. Queen Marie_josé also got several belgian tiaras and other Jewels as Wedding gifts from their parents and also inherited some.
I can understand that it is a dilemma if like in the case of Queen Paola there is only tiara but 3 children. So who will inherit it. But in such a case that best is a Trust or something like this so that it can be shared by the 3 children.
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:02 PM
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(German) article and a gallery with big photos of the banquet:
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:52 PM
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And I am sure the Austre Este family have many sparkling jewels of their own for the women to wear. Certainly they must have before Astrid married in. She has worn jewels and tiaras before now, when the bandeau was worn by her mother.

It is a Belgian tiara. Like I said, its great that Astrid be allowed to wear it. But why does it have to leave the Belgian royal family? While Paola was not meant to be queen, it was still remaining in the Belgian royal house. It would be like a tiara being given to Sofia or Madeleine. May not be intended for the queen (future) but still in the royal family. I prefer how the Swedes do it, that the majority of tiaras belong to the family, and are loaned to the varying ladies in the family. The king's sisters, wife, daughters and daughter in law all have access but they remain in the core. Considering the Belgians have so very few tiaras, and as Philippe's kids get older there will be 2 daughters and 2 daughter in laws needing tiaras for events, it seems fitting the tiara remain in the family collection.

The tiara has been worn by three reigning queens and one future (Mathilde on her wedding). That history should continue
The bandeau has never been worn by reigning Queens. It was not worn by Queen Fabiola and was deliberaty given to Princess Paola, spouse of a younger son (Prince Albert). It was Princess Paola's only real diadem so already almost 60 years ago the choice has been made that this jewel went to a junior line.

In contrary to what you state, the Austria-Este family has very few bijoux. What you see comes from Astrid's mother-in-law Archuchess Margarita of Austria-Este born Princess of Savoia-Aosta. It are her jewels which adorned Astrid's head. From her very own mother, a Princesse de Liège, later Queen of the Belgians, Princess Astrid received very little or nothing. The Savoia-Aosta jewels came in the house Austria-Este by marriage and inheritance. When Astrid indeed receives her mother's bandeau, then this fits in a long-standing tradition.

Note that Princess Elisabeth will be provided for, her life long. With money from the State and with properties from the Donation Royale. The three daughters of Princess Astrid however have to lead their own independent life and find a way to maintain their living by themselves. In that aspect Princess Elisabeth has little to complain. Overseeing all this, it is really not strange that Paola would like her only daughter Astrid to have her only diadem.
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Duc, you're not right when you say that the "bandeau has never been worn by reigning Queens", as Queen Elizabeth did wear the bandeau and there are plenty of photos that prove it.
That it was given to a younger son is right but it did not leave the Belgian Royal Family. If Astrid was given the tiara by her mother, after her death the tiara may not be seen for a very long time (from wedding to wedding and the odd Gotha gathering) and/or eventually sold, as tiara-wearing opportunities for her children are quite rare/almost nonexistent (and lets admit it - cash is important). And yes, I do know that Astrid and her children are Princes/Princesses of Belgium and that technically it will stay in the family, but it's sad that a very pretty and versatile jewel with that much family history attached to it might not grace the head of HM The Queen of the Belgians anymore. After all, it has been worn by (almost) every Queen of that country since the moment it came into Queen Elizabeth's possesion.
I second the opinins of others that a family foundation/trust is due for the Belgians in order to keep the family jewels and other valuable possessions together.

Anyway, I mist admit that I liked the way it looked on The Princess, as well as her overall appearance.

Just the two cents of a man who happens to like the bandeau very much and a bit sad that we might not see it often in the future...

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IMO these types of events are offensive - unnecessary displays of wealth and privilege.
They have no place in the 21st century IMO
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It was a State Dinner, in which a reigning king and queen hosted the Head of State of an important EU nation-Germany. All involved dressed up for the occasion, which was indeed appropriate and necessary.

Should they have simply gone to McDonald's or ordered takeout Chinese?
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The bandeau has never been worn by reigning Queens. It was not worn by Queen Fabiola and was deliberaty given to Princess Paola, spouse of a younger son (Prince Albert). It was Princess Paola's only real diadem so already almost 60 years ago the choice has been made that this jewel went to a junior line.

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True, Fabiola never wore it. But Queen Paola did, so on that alone you are wrong to say no queen has worn it.

There are 3 queen consorts, 1 wife of a king, and one Crown Princess now queen who have all worn the tiara.

1. Queen Elizabeth, wife of Albert I. The tiara is said to have been made for her.

2. The tiara passed to her daughter in law, Queen Astrid who only wore it a few times before her death.

-It was also worn by Princess Lilian, the second wife of Leopold III (not a queen consort so she didn't make my first count)


3. Queen Paola, worn both as a princess and later when she became queen
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4. Mathilde wore it on her wedding day. Hasn't worn it as queen.

And of course both Princess Astrid and her daughter in law Lili have both worn it as well.




As for your comment about Elisabeth and money, just one of the reasons one hopes it does go to a foundation. One of the sad things is many of these beautiful tiaras end up in auctions. Many of the families need money and end up selling the jewels. You go from saying Astrid has all of these fancy events to attend and needs the jewels, to saying she is basically a common working person. I am getting whip lash here.


As I have said, I have no issue with Astrid wearing. Have said it until blue in my face in fact. I simply wish we would see a trust like in Sweden where the tiaras are maintained within the family. It would allow Astrid and her daughters to have access to the tiara when they needed for events, but would ensure it remained within the family and didn't end up another tiara auctioned off a generation or two down the line as sadly becomes the fait of many.
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Here are some more pics of the days so far:



** pm gallery day 1: Mathilde et Philippe déroulent le tapis rouge **


** pm gallery day 1: Mathilde en dentelle d’or pour le président allemand **




** dpp gallery: German state visit to Belgium day 2 **


** robinutrecht.photoshelter: Statevisit Germany to Belgium Day 2 **



And here are the first pics of the final day today, March 10:



** atlanticopress.pt gallery ** fb gallery **
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i don,t have a problem with a sense of occasion but the unecessary displayof jewelery bothers me.

On the upside I like how all of the French officials have been able to function without an overdressed bimbo at his side......royal men please take note
Were there French officials at a State Visit from Germany to Belgium?
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I am pretty sure there were no French officials there Are we grouping the German's president's companion in your derogatory comments on women, or just Astrid and Mathilde?

Or are you comparing this to the Dutch visit to France??? Hollande does have a woman at his side as his current mistress isn't official enough. And if she was, I am sure she would have been rocking the designer duds right along side Max. Political wives know the importance of dressing the part for official events, just as much as royals do.
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Few pictures in newspaper, and on TV. they asked people of the street who is this Man, = Joachim Gauck , nobody knew who he was.
He was on State Visit in our Country, few german flags..... no interest.
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