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Old 05-17-2014, 08:55 PM
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If a Belgian princess married an ordinary man

If, for instance, Princess Maria Laura of Belgium grew up and married a commoner, would he get any title from his marriage to her?

I'd be very grateful for anyone who would be kind enough to help me!

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Old 05-18-2014, 06:37 AM
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since Princess Maria Laura is 7th in line to the throne now, but one day she will be outclassed by her cousins' children and her brother's children, it's unlikely her future husband will get any title. she will be simply known as Princess Maria Laura, Mrs XY.
Probably only Princess Elisabeth's husband will be granted a title, since she's the heiress to the throne and he will most likely be her Prince Consort when she'll succeed her father (though probably she will keep the title of Duchess of Brabant for herself, just like the Princess of Orange) ... I'm not even sure Princess Eleonore's husband will receive the same treatment.
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Old 05-18-2014, 07:38 AM
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All Prince Lorenz girls are born TR &IHH Archduchesses of Habsbourg Este and Princesses of Belgium and will remain until the end of their lifes.
I don' remember if Archduke Otto's girls married noblemen ?
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The Belgians have a most peculiar (and in my eyes unlucky) system. The Royal Decree of 2 December 1991 says the following: "[....] the title Prince or Princess of Belgium will be granted to the Princes and Princesses whom will be born by our descendants in direct line [....]"

This means that the title is hereditary to all descendants of King Albert II, in both the male and female lineage. This leads to a staggering 22 Princes/Princesses of Belgium today and this will only increase, causing an inflation of that title. To answer your question: when this Royal Decree is not adapted, children of Archuchess Maria Laura of Austria-Este , Princess of Belgium can become Prince(ss) of Belgium indeed but NOT Archduke (Archduchess) of Austria-Este, since that is only hereditary via the male lineage.
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[...]I don' remember if Archduke Otto's girls married noblemen ?
Archduchess Monika
married Luis Mara Gonzaga de Casanova-Crdenas y Barn, Duque de Santngelo (a Spanish Duke).

Archduchess Michaela
married first Eric Alba Teran d'Antin (a French aristocrat)
and married secondly Hubertus Graf von Kageneck (a German Count).

Archduchess Gabriela
married a commoner, Christian Meister.

Archduchess Walburga
married Axel Archibald Greve Douglas and Angus (a Swedish Count)

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Archduchess Monika
married Luis Mara Gonzaga de Casanova-Crdenas y Barn, Duque de Santngelo (Spanish nobility).

Archduchess Michaela
married first Eric Alba Teran d'Antin (French nobility)
and married secondly Hubertus Graf von Kageneck (German nobility).

Archduchess Gabriela
married a commoner, Christian Meister.

Archduchess Walburga
married Axel Archibald Count Douglas and Angus (Swedish nobility).

and the oldest Archduchess Andreas married Hereditary Count Karl Eugen of Neipperg, who will once day succed his father as head of this mediatized House.
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Old 05-18-2014, 08:58 AM
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The Belgians have a most peculiar (and in my eyes unlucky) system. The Royal Decree of 2 December 1991 says the following: "[....] the title Prince or Princess of Belgium will be granted to the Princes and Princesses whom will be born by our descendants in direct line [....]"

This means that the title is hereditary to all descendants of King Albert II, in both the male and female lineage. This leads to a staggering 22 Princes/Princesses of Belgium today and this will only increase, causing an inflation of that title. To answer your question: when this Royal Decree is not adapted, children of Archuchess Maria Laura of Austria-Este , Princess of Belgium can become Prince(ss) of Belgium indeed but NOT Archduke (Archduchess) of Austria-Este, since that is only hereditary via the male lineage.

Since Prince Amedeo is getting married this summer, we will see if King Philippe will release a new decree to change things (this should be the case). As you said in ... let's say 15 years ... there may be 30 or even more Princes of Belgium. I read somewhere that King George V reformed the princely title system because of numerous Princes of the United Kingdom existing all around Europe
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and the oldest Archduchess Andreas married Hereditary Count Karl Eugen of Neipperg, who will once day succed his fathhr succeed as head of this mediatized House.
Oops, how could I forget Archduchess Andrea, yes you are totally right!
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Since Prince Amedeo is getting married this summer, we will see if King Philippe will release a new decree to change things (this should be the case). As you said in ... let's say 15 years ... there may be 30 or even more Princes of Belgium. I read somewhere that King George V reformed the princely title system because of numerous Princes of the United Kingdom existing all around Europe
In 2002 in the Netherlands the Royal House Act has been modernized. The thought of the lawmaker: the titles Prince(ss) of the Netherlands and Prince(ss) of Orange-Nassau must express a close bond to the Bearer of the Crown. Since 2002 only the children of a King and of a Heir will get these titles. Special provisions are made in the Act for special cases, like the spouse of the King or the Heir.

Result: only the daughters of Willem-Alexander are Princess of the Netherlands and Princess of Orange-Nassau. The children of his brothers Friso and Constantijn do not have these titles.

The Belgians can follow this example: the title Prince(ss) of Belgium is only for children of a King or a Heir. This means that the children of the younger Princes can have another title, like in the Dutch example.
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If, for instance, Princess Maria Laura of Belgium grew up and married a commoner, would he get any title from his marriage to her?

I'd be very grateful for anyone who would be kind enough to help me!

Thank you very much.
Strictly speaking, he will not, and neither will the fiance of her brother Prince Amedeo. By the royal decree of December 2, 1991 (effective December 15, 1991), spouses of Belgian princes(ses) do not bear titles by marriage.

Even so, King Albert II created the spouses of Prince Philippe, Princess Astrid, and Prince Laurent Princes(ses) of Belgium in their own right. It remains to be seen whether King Philippe shall do likewise for Prince Amedeo's fiance and the future spouses of his siblings.

In the event that Princess Maria Laura chooses to call herself Mrs. XY after marriage, it is unlikely to be appended to her formal title. No other princess of Belgium (by blood) is formally styled in Belgium with her husband's surname or title.
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So if King Phillipe decides not to grant Amadeo's wife a Belgian title she will be Archduchess Amadeo of Austria-Este with no Belgium title?
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Old 05-19-2014, 06:35 AM
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Yes. Prince Lorenz has also various tittles , such as Duc de Bar.
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The Belgians have a most peculiar (and in my eyes unlucky) system. The Royal Decree of 2 December 1991 says the following: "[....] the title Prince or Princess of Belgium will be granted to the Princes and Princesses whom will be born by our descendants in direct line [....]"

This means that the title is hereditary to all descendants of King Albert II, in both the male and female lineage. This leads to a staggering 22 Princes/Princesses of Belgium today and this will only increase, causing an inflation of that title. To answer your question: when this Royal Decree is not adapted, children of Archuchess Maria Laura of Austria-Este , Princess of Belgium can become Prince(ss) of Belgium indeed but NOT Archduke (Archduchess) of Austria-Este, since that is only hereditary via the male lineage.

Sweden seems to have the same problem, though not quite enshrined in law as in Belgium. In any case, I am pretty sure they will eventually limit the hereditary transmission of the title at some point.
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